alstergren, crash_22, lufsen75, and steon2[cleared/warned]es

[bamage]

Accused:

alstergren
Crash_22
Lufsen75
steon2007



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Other: Repeatedly (72 times) loading one team with a mole who plays horribly, giving the primary team an advantage.



Game number(s):

Game 7181722

...but also in 71 other games. Search on games with alstergren and steon2007.

The standard MO is that Steon2007 joins team 2, plays horribly, and team 1 wins. In only one case that I could find did steon2007's team win.

When steon completely ignored our attempts to set a strategy, then mysteriously blew all his troops against neutrals and was taken out by the opponents, I asked my opponents for an explanation and this is what they came up with:

2010-06-27 20:03:02 - bamage: steon was worse than useless, like he has been in the 71 other games you opposed him in. before i report this, tell me why i shouldn't?
2010-06-29 03:17:49 - Crash_22: Haha, Steon has followed us for years, look old games and check game chat, we have nothing to do with him!
2010-06-29 03:18:31 - Crash_22: we have tried to communicate with him but he never says a word!
2010-06-29 06:51:52 - alstergren: lol, took steon 49 games or something to beat us - but that was only du to a partner being kicked out of a Portugal map, giving him a shitload of troops/reions
2010-06-29 06:52:14 - alstergren: if you sign up with a guy, well,ot out problem is it?

Later, they contradicted their assertion that they don't know him:
2010-06-29 17:29:52 - alstergren: What? No - I like steon - he's a cool guy, he does what he does


The net/net is that this is either cheating or an incredibly convenient fixation by steon2007 for these team members that results in him repeatedly joining their games as an opponent and playing horribly. I find the second theory to be hard to swallow.




Comments:

[eddie2]

ok mate this should be quite easy for the hunters

alstergren,
crash_22,
lufsen75,

are all from sweeden

steon2007

is from uk

now there is 2 things that might be happening by the looks of this one.

1)alstergren is inviting him for a easy win.

2) steon2007 is just not a very good team player

i personally think it is the latter of the 2 and also think if you look at all his other team games he is going for higher rank teams to play. this is for more points also he does not seem to have got himself a good team as is always playing with different players. i think he is one of the many that join a team and hope the others no what they are doing.

[BoganGod]

Let me see.... alstergren, crash, and luf, have a stalker that can't play for shit. Your butt sore cause you jumped on a random team with fools, probably trying to points gouge. Suck it up cupcake. Being an idiot is not cheating. Check the accused on Team A's winning percentages, they don't have to load a team with a stool pigion to win. LOCK THIS beat up. Wonder who put the kid up to making this accusation, notice alster has been coping a lot of flack in the past few months in cheating and abuse. Me thinks those who he has gotten busted as multis have bought back under new names, or communicated to friends on site. Seems like a bit of a push to target a player. Interesting that no matter how much shit gets thrown in alster's direction. It doesn't stick.... Shock horror, maybe he isn't a cheat FYI if you think joining against someone and losing all the time is cheating rather than poor/idiot play you might want to investigate someone called Colton24, I'm sure he isn't a cheat, but he loses all the time to the same people..... Law of averages says that for there to be good players, there must be bad players(or players that learn at their own pace)

SHUT THIS BEAT UP Thread

[jefjef]

Well All star alstergren is in absolutely no way above cheap tactics and does use questionable strategies and should be on many foe lists.

It would make my day/week/month to see alster get slapped/kicked/banned BUT unfortunately this complaint has no merit and seems to be spurious.

[THORNHEART]

I don't understand how when someone makes and actually interesting complaint...and provides 71 games of evidence. It is mocked and laughed at...if this was aafitz making the report he would be applauded.

I think this is actually a interesting report that took some time and study. It isnt't vindictive or spurious.

In fact that strategy would be a perfect one to use. If the one guy stays a low rank he will never be suspected.

But dudes the guy is a private first class and he has over 3000 games played but less than 500 won...something seems fishy there.

I hope this gets looked into...its alot better and more interesting than the "he called me a name complaints"

[BoganGod]

I don't understand how when someone makes and actually interesting complaint...and provides 71 games of evidence. It is mocked and laughed at...if this was aafitz making the report he would be applauded.

I think this is actually a interesting report that took some time and study. It isnt't vindictive or spurious.

In fact that strategy would be a perfect one to use. If the one guy stays a low rank he will never be suspected.

But dudes the guy is a private first class and he has over 3000 games played but less than 500 won...something seems fishy there.

I hope this gets looked into...its alot better and more interesting than the "he called me a name complaints"

Come on torn heart, keep your crush on AAfitz out of this please. Obviously steon2007 is not the most gifted of players..... There are players like that out there, some of them resort to playing as their siblings in a vain attempt to boost their scores. steon is to be applauded for at least keeping on trying. There are some players with above 70%win rate, so to balance the equation there has to be players with sub 30%, AND yes even sub 20% win rates... Get back in your box kid, when you cold clears up you might be able to smell the difference between fishy and lack of skill/skill as yet unlearnt(I like to believe there is hope for everyone)
You are right horny, this is more interesting than "mummy he called me a poo poo head complaints"

Seriously, learned readers please check through all 4players games, note how many games they have played, maps etc. To anyone with an IQ even lesser or = to a radishes it will be blatantly obvious that there is no case to answer. This is simply someone that is butt sore from having a bad teammate, blaming points lost on the victors, and a poor teammate. What was he thinking joining a random public team game with someone who has such a poor rating? Then cries when he loses..... hmmmmm, Selectively quotes only the statistics that suit him, and sullys the good name of a few players. I've never had a problem with any of the accused, crash_22 is in my clan, and has always been a better and more responsible player than myself.

Someone please give the kid some soothing aloe vera for his sore hind quarters and lets leave it at that.

[Crash_22]

We have nothing to do with Steon2007, he is just a guy that joined our games alot, around a year ago. I was surprised to see him again. This is no cheating or multis or anything! Just silly. If someone feel that they have the time, im sure you can read from the game chat in the old games that our games are genuin and fair.

[Genoke]

Like i see it...

sorry but i have serveral thoughts, so i shall put them down one by one.
1. they are talking about 4 people being multis, but what about the fourth player in team 1? He's an outsider? he's from sweden too... so what about him? (just checked the game they put on in the forum)
2. I know Crash and Anon and i'm sure that both of them are great players... so it isn't unlikely if they win against a team with a lower rank in total.
3. Why would someone with premium pay twice (2nd account)? just to get a higher rank? When he's got to take turns in TLO or tournaments... then they need to prove themself.
4. Someone has played 71 times against a same team (which know eachother well and team up a lot of times) and has played more then 3200 games. Maybe he likes to learn, but he's not a fast learner? If so, he better should team up with them instead of against them.
5. If a team with high ranked players, gets a first opponents who's a private first class... I know i won't join team 2, because it's more likely he's not a good player instead of a tactical magician...
6. A swedish team... put's up a multi in UK...are they so desperate for points they seek into other countries for taking care of cheats?
7. the guy has a win rate of 13% looks like he lost way much more then those 71 games... for the not smart persons, he won only 427 of 3217, means he lost 2790 other games against other players...

Conclusion: I think the chance is very little those swedish players are multi's.

Hint: If i was the accuser, i should take a little more time on research and try to speak with every player. After their respons you can take your conclusion. Also talk to a few friends here and see what they think.

[alster]

Accused:

alstergren
Crash_22
Lufsen75
steon2007



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Other: Repeatedly (72 times) loading one team with a mole who plays horribly, giving the primary team an advantage.



Game number(s):

Game 7181722

...but also in 71 other games. Search on games with alstergren and steon2007.

The standard MO is that Steon2007 joins team 2, plays horribly, and team 1 wins. In only one case that I could find did steon2007's team win.

When steon completely ignored our attempts to set a strategy, then mysteriously blew all his troops against neutrals and was taken out by the opponents, I asked my opponents for an explanation and this is what they came up with:

2010-06-27 20:03:02 - bamage: steon was worse than useless, like he has been in the 71 other games you opposed him in. before i report this, tell me why i shouldn't?
2010-06-29 03:17:49 - Crash_22: Haha, Steon has followed us for years, look old games and check game chat, we have nothing to do with him!
2010-06-29 03:18:31 - Crash_22: we have tried to communicate with him but he never says a word!
2010-06-29 06:51:52 - alstergren: lol, took steon 49 games or something to beat us - but that was only du to a partner being kicked out of a Portugal map, giving him a shitload of troops/reions
2010-06-29 06:52:14 - alstergren: if you sign up with a guy, well,ot out problem is it?

Later, they contradicted their assertion that they don't know him:
2010-06-29 17:29:52 - alstergren: What? No - I like steon - he's a cool guy, he does what he does


The net/net is that this is either cheating or an incredibly convenient fixation by steon2007 for these team members that results in him repeatedly joining their games as an opponent and playing horribly. I find the second theory to be hard to swallow.




Comments:

LOL. I like steon - he's an underestimated player and I enjoy playing him. We got some very easy wins in the first games, but he has for sure improved a lot. I think in this case, you guys probably pissed him off in your team game chat.

As for bamage, I get the impression that you don't really think we're multis (for good reasons, use a proxy buying premium playing a few thousand games is really too much hassle for 70 games or so). If you're pissed at a member of your team, fine, but that's not our problem. You do your own due diligence when you team up with people. I also don't see why we should foe steon and why it would be cheating not to (as stated in the game chat). I think this complaint is really weird, but hey, indulge yourself.

** lv edit : removed bigotry **

[jefjef]

Accused:

alstergren
Crash_22
Lufsen75
steon2007



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Other: Repeatedly (72 times) loading one team with a mole who plays horribly, giving the primary team an advantage.



Game number(s):

Game 7181722

...but also in 71 other games. Search on games with alstergren and steon2007.

The standard MO is that Steon2007 joins team 2, plays horribly, and team 1 wins. In only one case that I could find did steon2007's team win.

When steon completely ignored our attempts to set a strategy, then mysteriously blew all his troops against neutrals and was taken out by the opponents, I asked my opponents for an explanation and this is what they came up with:

2010-06-27 20:03:02 - bamage: steon was worse than useless, like he has been in the 71 other games you opposed him in. before i report this, tell me why i shouldn't?
2010-06-29 03:17:49 - Crash_22: Haha, Steon has followed us for years, look old games and check game chat, we have nothing to do with him!
2010-06-29 03:18:31 - Crash_22: we have tried to communicate with him but he never says a word!
2010-06-29 06:51:52 - alstergren: lol, took steon 49 games or something to beat us - but that was only du to a partner being kicked out of a Portugal map, giving him a shitload of troops/reions
2010-06-29 06:52:14 - alstergren: if you sign up with a guy, well,ot out problem is it?

Later, they contradicted their assertion that they don't know him:
2010-06-29 17:29:52 - alstergren: What? No - I like steon - he's a cool guy, he does what he does


The net/net is that this is either cheating or an incredibly convenient fixation by steon2007 for these team members that results in him repeatedly joining their games as an opponent and playing horribly. I find the second theory to be hard to swallow.




Comments:

LOL. I like steon - he's an underestimated player and I enjoy playing him. We got some very easy wins in the first games, but he has for sure improved a lot. I think in this case, you guys probably pissed him off in your team game chat.

As for bamage, I get the impression that you don't really think we're multis (for good reasons, use a proxy buying premium playing a few thousand games is really too much hassle for 70 games or so). If you're pissed at a member of your team, fine, but that's not our problem. You do your own due diligence when you team up with people. I also don't see why we should foe steon and why it would be cheating not to (as stated in the game chat). I think this complaint is really weird, but hey, indulge yourself.

** lv edit : removed bigotry **

Whats this crap alster?

[bamage]

Someone please give the kid some soothing aloe vera for his sore hind quarters and lets leave it at that.

Your butt sore cause you jumped on a random team with fools...

Bogan, you spend a lot of time fantasizing about anal violation. You haven't really added anything useful to this thread. Then you post a link to it on my wall? I can only assume that you are sitting at your PC furiously working yourself over and can't wait until I check the thread for constructive discourse.

At the very least, these players are taking advantage of a hard-to-swallow (leave that alone, BoganGod, if you can) scenario. At the worst, they're purposefully driving it. It's worth looking into.

[the.killing.44]

steon joins many and most public team games out there and is not a very good player. This has been true for quite some time now. Nothing to see here.

[alster]

At the very least, these players are taking advantage of a hard-to-swallow (leave that alone, BoganGod, if you can) scenario. At the worst, they're purposefully driving it. It's worth looking into.

Yes. If taking advantage means having a good win percentage against steon's teams. But what exactly do you propose that we should do about it in order to protect your little butt?

[Master Fenrir]

steon joins many and most public team games out there and is not a very good player. This has been true for quite some time now. Nothing to see here.

Agreed. While there is logic in the original accusation, I find what Killing said to be the truth. He has Team 2ed me several times in the past, and I'm fairly certain that I've seen him open the game by taking two regions from a teammate.

[Evil Semp]

OK boys and girls, going to look at this. The name calling, baiting, flaming or what ever you want to call it stops now.

[THORNHEART]

Sigh...ALL i said it is interesting and a better report than the normal drivel.

Isn't Bogan flaming?

[Lufsen75]

I just speak for myself and I have not the time to run more than my own account and that tournaments I also run for you guys. So to be acused to be a multi hurts me a bit.

[Lufsen75]

And also I, Alster and Crash plays alot due to we share the same home language and others maybe to. But Multi = No no

[bamage]

It's worth remembering that the name of this forum is "Cheating & Abuse Reports."

Repeatedly teaming against someone you know will absolutely ensure your success at the expense of his unwitting partners is abuse, imo. It's not ethical. It's not even fun, unless all you care about is increasing your rank. You can easily prevent him from garnering you this unfair advantage by foe-ing him. It's as simple as that. In your words, this has been going on for years. You haven't done anything in that time to address this.

Your response will be that it's not your responsibility. It is, though. As I said in the game chat at the start of all this when I was hoping to appeal to your sense of fairplay:

2010-06-29 13:34:40 - bamage: you would have "foe'd" him long ago if you weren't glad to keep seeing him show up. at the very least, this violates the spirit of fair play if not the letter of the law.

[eddie2]

lol so you are now trying to make this a farming case ok lets see this player joins there games not the other way round sothere is no cheating involved why foe somone who keeps on coming back for more.


also do u even read the ratings page of players you are going to team up with before joining because most good players already have teams they play with.

[alster]

It's worth remembering that the name of this forum is "Cheating & Abuse Reports."

Repeatedly teaming against someone you know will absolutely ensure your success at the expense of his unwitting partners is abuse, imo. It's not ethical. It's not even fun, unless all you care about is increasing your rank. You can easily prevent him from garnering you this unfair advantage by foe-ing him. It's as simple as that. In your words, this has been going on for years. You haven't done anything in that time to address this.

Your response will be that it's not your responsibility. It is, though. As I said in the game chat at the start of all this when I was hoping to appeal to your sense of fairplay:

2010-06-29 13:34:40 - bamage: you would have "foe'd" him long ago if you weren't glad to keep seeing him show up. at the very least, this violates the spirit of fair play if not the letter of the law.

Really? You seriously believe that the mods will warn us for not foeing another player?

(And as noted, I like steon - don't mind playing against him.)

[jefjef]

It's worth remembering that the name of this forum is "Cheating & Abuse Reports."

Repeatedly teaming against someone you know will absolutely ensure your success at the expense of his unwitting partners is abuse, imo. It's not ethical. It's not even fun, unless all you care about is increasing your rank. You can easily prevent him from garnering you this unfair advantage by foe-ing him. It's as simple as that. In your words, this has been going on for years.

Hey bumpage, steon2007 is on team 2. HE JOINED A GAME THAT WAS OPEN WAITING FOR OPPONENTS. Thats how the system works...

This sure appears to be a spurious and vindictive complaint and I would expect this to be noted against you if not actually warned.

[bamage]

Who's bumpage? Really jefjef?

The hysteria here is sad yet laughable. This complaint has merit. Why is everyone so desperate to shout it down before it gets looked at? What are you afraid of?

[Cundy]

It's worth remembering that the name of this forum is "Cheating & Abuse Reports."

Repeatedly teaming against someone you know will absolutely ensure your success at the expense of his unwitting partners is abuse, imo. It's not ethical. It's not even fun, unless all you care about is increasing your rank. You can easily prevent him from garnering you this unfair advantage by foe-ing him. It's as simple as that. In your words, this has been going on for years. You haven't done anything in that time to address this.

Your response will be that it's not your responsibility. It is, though. As I said in the game chat at the start of all this when I was hoping to appeal to your sense of fairplay:

2010-06-29 13:34:40 - bamage: you would have "foe'd" him long ago if you weren't glad to keep seeing him show up. at the very least, this violates the spirit of fair play if not the letter of the law.

If we were to ban everyone that played games they had a very high chance of winning/gaining points off over and over.. we would have to ban almost everyone on the 1st page of top scores lol...

[jefjef]

Who's bumpage? Really jefjef?

The hysteria here is sad yet laughable. This complaint has merit. Why is everyone so desperate to shout it down before it gets looked at? What are you afraid of?

As I stated I would love nothing more than to see alstergren get web site kicked.

With that said this complaint has no merit. So sad it isn't laughable. It sure seems to be vindictive. Your pulling at straws here. What are you pissed off about?

But don't you worry. They will look at it. They will also look at you.