alstergren farming [cleared] ka

[anonymus]

Most of these games are seq... how is the hell is that farming?

Since when does it HAVE to be Freestyle?

If they're on Classic, or another VERY SIMPLE map, then I'm fine with it.

well if these are games these guys created them selves it should be fine since they chose the settings and map right or does it have to be a map that you consider "simple"?
damn i get my ass handed to me on classic almost every time i play it,,, actually if you maprank me you can clearly see that classic is my worst map..

and yes if it is sequential games it just comes down to who has the best strategy and not who has spent the most hours practicing clickies..
and i think most players would agree that 1v1 seq can go pretty much any way depending on who goes first and of course the famous attackcubes,, personally i try to never play anyone under my own rank even on maps i know really well since luck is too much of a factor..

but in freestyle this is not the case.. i can never win a freestyle game since i dont have clickies even on my best maps (unless i get really really lucky but that happends way to seldom)

so.. yes there is a difference..

[eddie2]

dont farm new recruits

dont farm new recruits ...
you use the term farming in a try on explaining it ...
so it looks like you dont know what farming exactly is either?

search is your friend viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73745

eddie its possible but its not common knowledge nor will i teach you how

ok thanks was just wondering because what it says that you are hidden from other users

ps dont wanna know how i like a challenge in my games

[support81ghent]

The hunters cant do anything against this, as farming is only considered against new recruits and new recruits only. Check the several C&A threads about Gen.LeeGettinhed. You can join the large population against this type of thing as well, but until there is a definate change in the rules, he's completely within the rules with these games.

ok, i agree with your statement, but after checking 10/82pages of his game, ive came up with these
Game 7040304
Game 6990184
Game 6964481
Game 6759256
Game 6640723
Game 6639701
Game 6633689
Game 6540549
Game 6485771
Game 6276555

he joins games with new recruits in these games ...
and for the first 54game i posted, some of those people could have been new recruits when that game occured ... but these 10games are proof of him farming new recruits

alstergren ha 8120 completed games so i would not call the sample you bring up here a big portion..
im sure i have 10 games against ?-marks aswell.. they had an awful tendency to join my feudal 4 player sunny adjacent assaingames for a while.. thankfully no more..

do you know how much alstergren would loose if he lost these games.. far worse case of "farming" out there..

if he created the games and new recruits joined his games, then it wouldnt be farming ... but he joins their games ...
he is definetly walking on the invisible border and maybe even trespassing it ... but since it is invisible and not visible, he cant get warned or punished yet untill the rules change ...
I created this thread in the hope he would get a warning, but after reading several replies, Ive changed my mind and now I hope that the border around farming is set clear so the right people can warn/punish the trespassers ...

[support81ghent]

dont farm new recruits

dont farm new recruits ...
you use the term farming in a try on explaining it ...
so it looks like you dont know what farming exactly is either?

search is your friend viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73745

eddie its possible but its not common knowledge nor will i teach you how

I have already read that thread, but there is a big hole in that rule ....
after 5games, you still are considered as a new recruit since you dont have the experience yet.

in my eyes, there should be somekind of limitation for the higher ranks (+1800points for e.g.) should be forbidden to join games 1v1 with people with less than 20games

[Army of GOD]

Also, I love how well-versed in the farming rules you are only after 12 days on this site. Did you play CC in your past life support81ghent?

[lord voldemort]

if you want to change the farming rules then head to suggs...
the current rule covers new recruits....simple as that

[support81ghent]

Also, I love how well-versed in the farming rules you are only after 12 days on this site. Did you play CC in your past life support81ghent?

I havent been playing CC before ... otherwise I would be playing on my old account which I dont have and not on this one, if you check my gameplay, you are also able to see that im quite new to this ...
but since alstergren bugged my by joining my games and not taking turns, ive been searching and asking what to do about this ...
and in 12days you can learn a lot
so to keep it short, my one and only account is named Support81Ghent

[support81ghent]

if you want to change the farming rules then head to suggs...
the current rule covers new recruits....simple as that

ok, ill do that. thx for the info and the replies youve put here ...

[ManBungalow]

after reading all these replies, Ive came to the conclusion that CC doesnt have strict rules for farming, and that everyoen can just go hop on that invisible border ...
as it looks to me, the admins or whoever is assigned on making the rules, should put 'farming' at the rules section as well, so there is a clear border about this and so that abuser can get warned for this type of infraction ...

dont farm new recruits

I think perhaps its the question of exactly how many games constitutes farming.

This is the point I was trying to get across back on the first page of this thread.
If farming is defined as "Playing games against ten or more New Recruits in one week", then you simply play nine.
It's much better the way it is...my generic advice is to let the hunters do what they do and enjoy your own games.

once again fair enough lv this is not enough to be farming but the question that needs to be brought up is


how is he joining new recruit 1 v 1 games when there games are hidden from us

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't have a clue what this means.


There are much worse cases of farming than this. If alstergren is subsequently banned or otherwise, then I may as well hand myself over for winning too many games.

[eddie2]

this was me agreeing with lv that not enough to punish him.

secound bit was because all new recruits games are hidden from the general public so was asking why is he able to join 1 v 1 games where they are player 1 that he resonded to

[lord voldemort]

umm i havent decided if he is to be punished or not...
something that all us hunters will decide

[ManBungalow]

secound bit was because all new recruits games are hidden from the general public so was asking why is he able to join 1 v 1 games where they are player 1 that he resonded to

Games created or joined by New Recruits are not hidden from the rest of the community in any manner that I know of.
I mean, how else would their games ever fill up?

Players with the New Recruit rank cannot see games of certain maps and/or settings in the Join A Game tab, but I believe they can search and join a game of any settings using the Game Finder (just don't quote me on that one).

[alster]

Wow. That was quite a thread in just one day.

As for support81ghent, I’m aware that you’re upset (that was plain enough from your wall posts I had to scrub away and your game chat statements), but I believe that you approach this from the wrong perspective. As is plain from the front page, this is game is 24h per turn. I reserve my right to use those 24h. If you don’t like it, set up speed games or private games with people you have agreed to play r/t with in the chat room. Personally, it took me about 24 hours from joining this site back in ´06 before I paid for premium. Being a freemium does not entitle you to quick games. On the contrary, I’d just shut it and be happy that to be able to play on this site for free. Now, of course it isn’t ideal to initiate a game by not playing at least the first round immediately (which I know pissed you off), but you got a few very good drops on those two CCU-maps and I needed some time to ponder that. Any player, premium and freemium, is entitled to that approach. However, if you buy premium, that won’t be a problem for you in the future.

As for ?-farming, I spent some time reading up on that a while back ago, see:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=100025&hilit=alstergren&start=75#p2273783
As far as I can see, it would take something like a >20% ?-join rate for that rule to strike. Although those 10 ?s over the past four month may seem like a lot, I’ve play around 4,000 games a year (rolling 12 months period) right now. But I’m sure additional ?s could be traced, but I would like to see anyone making a case for such a >20% ?-join rate.

As for farming in any other sense, the rule statement and past mod practice has been very clear on this, i.e. there’s no rule violation involved in playing people with 5 completed games and more. And as far as I’m aware, the suggs in the S&B-forum hasn’t really gone anywhere. Which makes sense as the purpose of the anti ?-farming rule is to avoid new accounts being deterred by farmers. That simply doesn’t apply to players with 5 or more games (by then, you know if you like this game or not, whether or not too cheap to buy premium is of course another matter).

[jefjef]

Well I would not mind at all if alster got warns and bans and site vacations. I would be right there kicking it thru.

But alster is not in the wrong. This complaint does not even deserve to be noted.

Better luck next time.

[TheForgivenOne]

if he created the games and new recruits joined his games, then it wouldnt be farming ... but he joins their games ...
he is definetly walking on the invisible border and maybe even trespassing it ...

Dude, 10 games in 4 months is not enough to be considered Farming.

in my eyes, there should be somekind of limitation for the higher ranks (+1800points for e.g.) should be forbidden to join games 1v1 with people with less than 20games

Ghent, players with 1500 points could easily farm NR's. It's not that hard to join a game with one on a hard map, either hoping he deadbeats, or has no strategy whatsoever. And if that happens, soon people will begin to argue that high ranks shouldn't be able to join low rank games (say Corporal and below).

[support81ghent]

if he created the games and new recruits joined his games, then it wouldnt be farming ... but he joins their games ...
he is definetly walking on the invisible border and maybe even trespassing it ...

Dude, 10 games in 4 months is not enough to be considered Farming.

in my eyes, there should be somekind of limitation for the higher ranks (+1800points for e.g.) should be forbidden to join games 1v1 with people with less than 20games

Ghent, players with 1500 points could easily farm NR's. It's not that hard to join a game with one on a hard map, either hoping he deadbeats, or has no strategy whatsoever. And if that happens, soon people will begin to argue that high ranks shouldn't be able to join low rank games (say Corporal and below).

10games that we can see, he couldve easily played vs nrs in the past weeks but the nrs could have ranked by now ...
and if you would read all my posts, ive came to a point where I dont hope on him getting a warning anymore, but i hope that the farming border gets strict lines ...
ill make a suggestion this week as well, but then i would need like 15mins the time to make my thread worth reading ...

[jefjef]

if he created the games and new recruits joined his games, then it wouldnt be farming ... but he joins their games ...
he is definetly walking on the invisible border and maybe even trespassing it ...

Dude, 10 games in 4 months is not enough to be considered Farming.

in my eyes, there should be somekind of limitation for the higher ranks (+1800points for e.g.) should be forbidden to join games 1v1 with people with less than 20games

Ghent, players with 1500 points could easily farm NR's. It's not that hard to join a game with one on a hard map, either hoping he deadbeats, or has no strategy whatsoever. And if that happens, soon people will begin to argue that high ranks shouldn't be able to join low rank games (say Corporal and below).

10games that we can see, he couldve easily played vs nrs in the past weeks but the nrs could have ranked by now ...
and if you would read all my posts, ive came to a point where I dont hope on him getting a warning anymore, but i hope that the farming border gets strict lines ...
ill make a suggestion this week as well, but then i would need like 15mins the time to make my thread worth reading ...

Who are you? What was your previous username?

[king achilles]

It is NOT farming if a player is having games against low ranks or people who just graduated from the ? rank. Our farming rule is restricted to new recruits. If you want to play against low ranked players, be my guest. We do not have any limitations for a member to play low ranked players. So if one decides to play almost exclusively against low ranked players, we really can't do anything about it.

Games provided in this report:
Game 7040304 - played last May
Game 6990184 - played last May
Game 6964481 - played last May
Game 6759256 - played last April
Game 6640723 - played last March
Game 6639701 - played last March
Game 6633689 - played last March
Game 6540549 - played last March
Game 6485771 - played last February
Game 6276555 - played last January

He knows the rules so he is not playing these kind of games consistently. We can say that he has a knack for playing new recruits or low ranked players but if you also consider his overall game history, even for this past 2 months alone, as against these games played with new recruits, this is not farming. This report is more about playing against low ranked players. Suggest a new rule to 'protect' low ranked players from being played by high ranked players. Cleared.

[support81ghent]

if he created the games and new recruits joined his games, then it wouldnt be farming ... but he joins their games ...
he is definetly walking on the invisible border and maybe even trespassing it ...

Dude, 10 games in 4 months is not enough to be considered Farming.

in my eyes, there should be somekind of limitation for the higher ranks (+1800points for e.g.) should be forbidden to join games 1v1 with people with less than 20games

Ghent, players with 1500 points could easily farm NR's. It's not that hard to join a game with one on a hard map, either hoping he deadbeats, or has no strategy whatsoever. And if that happens, soon people will begin to argue that high ranks shouldn't be able to join low rank games (say Corporal and below).

10games that we can see, he couldve easily played vs nrs in the past weeks but the nrs could have ranked by now ...
and if you would read all my posts, ive came to a point where I dont hope on him getting a warning anymore, but i hope that the farming border gets strict lines ...
ill make a suggestion this week as well, but then i would need like 15mins the time to make my thread worth reading ...

Who are you? What was your previous username?

omg immature people (-_-') dont you think that the multihunters didnt check up on me after this thread? and since im still playing games and still posting on the forum, I am not breaking any rule. this is my first and only account...

and I have to admit, alstergren isnt farming NR's but hes gaining points from very easy games with low ranks ... which isnt against any rule, but it makes him look like a complete @#$&@!