Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 41/44 [Quenched]

by **Kabanellas** on Sat May 15, 2010 6:45 pm

ender516 wrote:Another set of map image files with the opaque ovals would help me update the XML coordinates to match these latest changes. (I feel better centering on a oval I can easily see.) It might be better to send them by PM rather than posting them here so no one thinks that those white spots will appear on the final product. (natty got a scare last time.)

ok ender

I'll be sending it soon over PM

by **the.killing.44** on Sun May 16, 2010 12:06 am

I don't understand your attachment with the image behind the legend at all. It just looks like a bunch of colors trying to be a pattern that does nothing but take your eyes away from the text.

by **Kabanellas** on Sun May 16, 2010 3:07 am

That was already discussed. I've presented a bunch of other options, being the actual, the one that we think to work better.

by **RedBaron0** on Sun May 16, 2010 3:29 am

Might be worth a poll to see where the image in the legend stands among the people. I'm not sure about it myself, I see the artist component and it's nice... but it does generally take away from the map itself and make the legend overly busy which isn't a good thing.

I still think Romanian Principalities can be shortened to just Romania and unclutter that space a bit. Kingdom of Italy could goto Km. of Italy to be shorter, or even just Venice. Put Brittany out in the Bay of Biscay. Piedmont gets lost in the bonus color a bit and I'd look at that a little bit too.

The mountains bother me some and in general can be better. I just get the impression that mountains are floating on the map instead of being on the paper. They could also get a little less uniform.

by **the.killing.44** on Sun May 16, 2010 12:02 pm

Kabanellas wrote:That was already discussed. I've presented a bunch of other options, being the actual, the one that we think to work better.

we being you, pork, and saxaphone? Or a substantial amount of people.

by **Kabanellas** on Wed May 19, 2010 11:51 am

RedBaron0 wrote:Might be worth a poll to see where the image in the legend stands among the people. I'm not sure about it myself, I see the artist component and it's nice... but it does generally take away from the map itself and make the legend overly busy which isn't a good thing.

I still think Romanian Principalities can be shortened to just Romania and unclutter that space a bit. Kingdom of Italy could goto Km. of Italy to be shorter, or even just Venice. Put Brittany out in the Bay of Biscay. Piedmont gets lost in the bonus color a bit and I'd look at that a little bit too.

The mountains bother me some and in general can be better. I just get the impression that mountains are floating on the map instead of being on the paper. They could also get a little less uniform.

Some changes made:

-changed Romanian Principalities to Romania
-changed the Kingdom of Italy
-Brittany placed in the Bay of Biscay
-Added more glow to Piedmont

I really prefer not to blend the mountains, it would create confusion in this map. They should be intended as metal marks that officers can swing around in the map.

Click image to enlarge.

by **Raskholnikov** on Thu May 20, 2010 6:58 pm

Kab,

This is just amazing - both the work and your patience.... Enough said.

Don't forget to make the same changes on the large version.

Once you do, can you please provide again the picture urls and the new xml code location so we can run a few tests with the numbers?

Many thanks,

R

by **jefjef** on Fri May 21, 2010 2:23 am

Kabanellas wrote:That was already discussed. I've presented a bunch of other options, being the actual, the one that we think to work better.

The image behind the legend.

I believe it looks a lot better more visible. Imo.

The tert line between London and Yorkshire is still faint compared to the others. But thats just minor nit picking.

Great piece of work!

by **ender516** on Fri May 21, 2010 9:41 am

I'd say that the London/Yorkshire border is suffering from the white glow of both text labels, plus the fact that it lines up too well with the vertical stroke of the L in London.

by **Kabanellas** on Fri May 21, 2010 10:06 am

I'll take care of that

by **ender516** on Mon May 24, 2010 10:11 pm

Here is the XML updated to match V38 of the map. (You might want to update the title of the topic, it still says V33.)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/11/9/2644838/Napoleonic_Europe_V1.4.xml

by **Kabanellas** on Tue May 25, 2010 5:37 am

yeahh... small and large maps are not going side by side. But changed the title

by **lt_oddball** on Wed May 26, 2010 4:32 am

Clear the blue (border) paint in Illyria between the two mountain ranges left and right ( at the upper half of Illyria..just right of the "y" of Italy).
From a distance it is not clear that you can pass inbetween up north.

Warsaw (blue in yellow) and Hessen (green in yellow) have the same problem with an appendix provence.

And what is the meaning of the blue spot above Berlin that has affiliation to Malmö ?
Better clear that blue beach head

by **Industrial Helix** on Thu May 27, 2010 6:58 pm

I ran a quick test on the small image and the updated XML, crits are at the bottom.

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The first one looks great.

The second one, its getting worse but tolerable.

The third is still quite frightening.

The biggest offender, is that the provence HE needs to be expanded.

We. numbers could move over to the left some. Same for Es., Krakow, Burgundy, Normandy, Istanbul, Smolensk and Brittney.

by **Kabanellas** on Fri May 28, 2010 9:32 am

Thanks Helix.

Here it is the updated version with those changes:

2 pixels to the left
We.
Es.
Krakow

3 px. to the left
Normandy

4 px. to the left
Smolensk

1 px to the left - 1 px. up
Burgundy

Changed
HE
Brittany

Redid
Istambul border

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by **ender516** on Sun May 30, 2010 9:33 pm

And here is the updated XML to match V39 of the small map, just posted.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/11/9/2644838/Napoleonic_Europe_V1.5.xml

by **lt_oddball** on Mon May 31, 2010 3:56 am

lt_oddball wrote:Clear the blue (border-) paint in Illyria between the two mountain ranges left and right ( at the upper half of Illyria..just right of the "y" of Italy). From a distance it is not clear that you can pass inbetween up north. If it is yellow , it's immediately clear.

Warsaw (blue in yellow) and Hessen (green in yellow) have the same problem with an appendix provence.

And what is the meaning of the blue spot above Berlin that has affiliation to Malmö ?
Better clear that blue beach-head

ding-dong ..anybody home ?

by **Kabanellas** on Mon May 31, 2010 5:36 am

Here! missed that post.

I think all those situations are quite clear. And I rather have those appendixes coloured than having them all in just one colour... like having it all blue in case of Poland.

by **Kabanellas** on Mon May 31, 2010 6:01 am

OK, here it is with Ender's last update.

Just need ender (sorry about that) to change a couple of positions to match the ones posted below:

East Prussia (Es) - 3 px left - 1 px down
West Prussia (We) - 1 px left
Silesia - 2 px down - 2 px left
Italy - 1 px down

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by **ender516** on Mon May 31, 2010 7:43 am

What is with the Prussias? They keep drifting west! Somebody put an anchor on them

I'll try to fix this up tonight.

by **Kabanellas** on Mon May 31, 2010 11:38 am

thanks a lot Ender - I know Helix would still point a finger at those, so before he does......

by **Industrial Helix** on Mon May 31, 2010 12:28 pm

I do have a few nitpicks anyway...

He, London and Oporta can move a pixel or two to the left.

Oporta could be straightened and put under the numbers, the swords beneath the words.

Everything else looks good... its a ton better than it was. The small map is tight but at least its readable, no worse than the hive small map in my opinion. I think it might be close to time to move on...

by **Kabanellas** on Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:48 pm

Last version of Ender's XML with all the suggested changes.

XML (1.6) - http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/11/9/2644838/Napoleonic_Europe_V1.6.xml
Large map - http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Kabanellas/NapoleonicEurope_V35_Image.png
Small map - http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Kabanellas/NapoleonicEurope_V40a_Image_small.png

Large map

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Small map

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by **Raskholnikov** on Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:41 pm

Kab and Ender,

What amazing work! This is where we started from:

The difference is your work. Thank you so very much for bringing this idea into reality.

Rask

by **MrBenn** on Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:35 pm

I've not checked in on this map for a while; I still think there are some clarity issues relating to the small map, as it is very difficult to see how the overlapping/combination bonuses work. I'm also worried about the colourblind check, as there are so many similar shades. Having looked closely at the map, I wouldn;t say it's unplayable, but I certainly don;t think it'll be easy for people who don't have clickable maps or BOB

In addition to the general legibility issues, I think there is a problem with Istanbul. I know it's the capital of Turkey, and can therefore guess that the territory marked on the map as Istanbul also includes the bit of European Turkey with the capital symbol. Howvere, there is a big brown border around the landmasses, which are clearly separated by the sea. With no attaching lines, it is therefore not clear that Istanbul and Rumelia border one another. Even more concerning is that it is not immediately clear how to occupy the capital. My suggestion would be to fudge the sea barrier so that there is a land bridge between European Turkey and Asian Turkey (see Europa as an example)