DH site abuse Cleared

[Deathwind]

Nice on thorn

[jefjef]

Now there's an idea, is DH benefitting from thrown games with *netham* since all 19 games between them have gone to DH, whilst *netham* has a 27% win rate! so realistically out of 19 games even he should have managed 1 win....

Because that of course, is abuse.

Well this perspective does not hold water.

The multi had wins after his last game with him and some wins sprinkled amongst his games.

netham just didn't beat him.

[Mr Changsha]

Great thread JR..a fantastic read. Is he guilty though? No. Should they change the rules? Well, maybe. But I like the idea of a General scooping up his points on Waterloo against noobs (and it must be funny as hell to read those "Where am I? Who are you? What the f*ck???" comments game after game. Some of the quotes from the games certainly made me laugh) but then keeping in contact with his 'victims' and actually making the effort to teach them a bit. I'm sure most players who are known to be very competent at a certain style get requests for teaching every once in a while. But do we make the effort to check the games in question, write the pm's and really think about the answers? In my case not so much. Yet two new players here have stated quite catagorically that David has indeed made the effort and if so then he should be commended. As one said (decent writer btw) "It was worth losing 5 points to make 100." Quite right.

I remember playing Fruitcake for my first ever 1vs1 and of course he beat me. Yet I LEARNED more from that one game then I can actually express...how to play 1vs1, how to play dubs and trips, how to play the short game..it all became clear to me from that game and the questions Fruitcake happily anwered for me in great detail.

So if he genuinely IS teaching after the game then I say well done to him. He isn't breaking the rules as they stand and if this thread has done anything it has highlighted an unusual altruristic streak in a farmer, if a currently legal one. I can but think that whatever farming clan he belongs to will be considering giving him the boot for letting the side down...ruining their 'evil' image and all that.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Great thread JR..a fantastic read. Is he guilty though? No. Should they change the rules? Well, maybe. But I like the idea of a General scooping up his points on Waterloo against noobs (and it must be funny as hell to read those "Where am I? Who are you? What the f*ck???" comments game after game. Some of the quotes from the games certainly made me laugh) but then keeping in contact with his 'victims' and actually making the effort to teach them a bit. I'm sure most players who are known to be very competent at a certain style get requests for teaching every once in a while. But do we make the effort to check the games in question, write the pm's and really think about the answers? In my case not so much. Yet two new players here have stated quite catagorically that David has indeed made the effort and if so then he should be commended. As one said (decent writer btw) "It was worth losing 5 points to make 100." Quite right.

I remember playing Fruitcake for my first ever 1vs1 and of course he beat me. Yet I LEARNED more from that one game then I can actually express...how to play 1vs1, how to play dubs and trips, how to play the short game..it all became clear to me from that game and the questions Fruitcake happily anwered for me in great detail.

So if he genuinely IS teaching after the game then I say well done to him. He isn't breaking the rules as they stand and if this thread has done anything it has highlighted an unusual altruristic streak in a farmer, if a currently legal one. I can but think that whatever farming clan he belongs to will be considering giving him the boot for letting the side down...ruining their 'evil' image and all that.

I have had many players contact me after a game asking questions in how something was done. I answer them all in detail for them. I dint need to set up a private game and invite a player that just completed 5 games ( so they are no longer considered a new recruit ) and invite them to a game with very extreme difficult map and game options and wait until the game is over to tell them I will help you with your game play. HUNDREDS OF TIME. I sometimes research a post on the forum for them if I felt I dint answer their question fully and send them the link. Not all questions I get are game related. You have the The Society of the Cooks section on the forum which David is no part of. Why doesnt he post there in support of new players if he is truely concerned with new players ?

David hasnt answered 1 question yet about his abuse. The only response he gives you is that he is breaking no rules.

1) why does he wait until the game is over and he mopped up some easy points to offer help
2) why does he give no suggestions during the game
3) why does he invite players to difficult maps/options that new players never played before
4) why does he play players as soon as they come off of new recruit status
5) why does he refuse a rematch when a player wants to play a neutral map
6) why does he only play private games against players that barley know how to join a game
7) why has he not made 1 post in the The Society of the Cooks forum to help a player that he swears is all he does

all david has so far is a player, a multi may I add, that he has suckered 19 times into some points and is some kid that cant defend for himself and has no idea what he got himself involved with. But yet we have game after game of players complaining in game chat on how he tricked them into joining his little private game abuse and which he responds "well you should have checked the game first before joining".

[THORNHEART]

they should have checked....there is that little button "view game" for a reason

david learned to play off peoples ego...these players as soon as the see a "Private" invite are all pufffed up...thoughts of "someone wants to play with me cause i must be good" rush through their little brains...and then then pay for their stupidity...

[Gen.LeeGettinhed]

quick note:

I think if you read Changsta, Thornheart and FranlyMyDear's comments you will see great examples of reasonable understanding -- as opposed to blatant despisement/intolerance of another's style, etc. Again, too many people expect everyone else to think, act. . .and play as they do. They are short sighted and have no imagination. I bet their ancestors didn't like the first dunkers of basketball or spiked volleyballs.

Not every player here knows of or is interested in or has time for all the Society's, clans, newsletters, forums (shit, I don't even know about threads about me until someone tells me). These HATERS do a LOT of assuming and taking things out of context.

What's next? Gas chambers and Halocaust? What ABSOLUTELY amazes me is that CC Admin makes decisions without contacting people, getting them in a Live Chat PM and DISCUSSING things. hmmmmm

DH

[rutherfoo]

Again, too many people expect everyone else to think, act. . .and play as they do. They are short sighted and have no imagination. I bet their ancestors didn't like the first dunkers of basketball or spiked volleyballs.

What's next? Gas chambers and Halocaust?

DH

It's more like you're getting a little kid or someone with down syndrome to play basketball or volleyball against you, using unfamiliar house rules, then mercilessly dunking and spiking on them. And then tallying those "wins" up and comparing yourself to real basketball/volleyball players.

"Style" is how you play a game, not who you trick into playing with you, and which rules or settings you deliberately confuse them with. Setting up a game isn't "style" in terms of gameplay, it's just what settings and opponents you like to play with. The fact that you're comparing yourself to the first people to start slam dunking and spiking is so arrogant and audacious, and then comparing C&A to Nazi's is going way too far.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

These HATERS do a LOT of assuming and taking things out of context.

I think what he is trying to explain is he is assuming that hundreds of players actually checked the link out to his private games before joining. Well we all know thats not true when almost every game starts off with a complaint in game chat of not understanding the map and game settings he tricked them into playing. A map and game options no new player is going to understand. Especially when alot of them only played 4-5 games prior to his invite and dont even understand the PM that was sent to them or is an 11 old multi/kid.

you think after 1 time, hey maybe there is a problem with all the players joining the games complaining about the same thing? But hundreds ? And than claim we are trying to help these players but give no suggestions in game chat ( unless it is to kill of their armies so he can win faster ) but wait until the game is over to offer help which nobody has seen any proof of ?

Nothing adds up. Well, theres the same security blanket response we keep hearing over and over. Since its not new recruits its ok. How nice that we wait until they complete 5 games to get around the rules.

[THORNHEART]

well maybe in the sugs cc so kindly pms to all new recruits they ought to say be sure to check the "view game" button we have so conviently added.

do we need to spoon feed them? how much more clear can a view game first button be??? seriously...its not the trains fault if the driver went right throught the flashing red lights

[Snowgun]

Nothing adds up. Well, theres the same security blanket response we keep hearing over and over. Since its not new recruits its ok. How nice that we wait until they complete 5 games to get around the rules.

I'm not asking this to be snarky JR24, I'm curious about your thought process:

What rules would you put together? What measuring stick would you make that could be used by the mods and others to measure whether an (supposed) infraction was made of this type?

[Snowgun]

I find myself agreeing with thornheart.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

well maybe in the sugs cc so kindly pms to all new recruits they ought to say be sure to check the "view game" button we have so conviently added.

do we need to spoon feed them? how much more clear can a view game first button be??? seriously...its not the trains fault if the driver went right throught the flashing red lights

Was the driver of the train trained on traffic signals? Does he understand all the SOP's on how to operate the train ? Did he pass a vision test before he was hired ? Is he red/green colored blind ? Or are we assuming everything was alright ?

Were the new players trained on how to read a PM before they joined. I would say no if hundreds are complaining in game chat.

I had an employee last week tell me he dint know how to read a tape measure and another did not know how to create a capitol letter on the keyboard. I guess we assumed everyone knows everything.

[BoganGod]

The fact that some of his "victims" praise him, means he must be doing something right. Teaching people is time consuming, and the fact that he gives people pointers is great. I know when I was first starting I learnt a lot more by playing higher ranks. Which if Johnny gets his way people won't be able to

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

The fact that some of his "victims" praise him, means he must be doing something right. Teaching people is time consuming, and the fact that he gives people pointers is great. I know when I was first starting I learnt a lot more by playing higher ranks. Which if Johnny gets his way people won't be able to

im still waiting for that 1st piece of proof that there is any help even given. I see not 1 post on the Cook forum offering any help of any kind and nothing in game chat but a few lines stating " I will answer any questions you might have after the game is over", which translated means, give me your points first and ill describe how I got them from you once I have them.

The fact that some of his "victims" praise him

so out of a couple hundred he happened to get 2 players post here in his defense. One is a multi and the other has not returned to play him in another game again. I wonder why that is ? Probably because he doesnt want to play waterloo/freestyle and just donate more of his points to Davids scheme ? Not even 1% is thrilled of the tactics he used vs them.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Nothing adds up. Well, theres the same security blanket response we keep hearing over and over. Since its not new recruits its ok. How nice that we wait until they complete 5 games to get around the rules.

I'm not asking this to be snarky JR24, I'm curious about your thought process:

What rules would you put together? What measuring stick would you make that could be used by the mods and others to measure whether an (supposed) infraction was made of this type?

for starters, I would not make "accept" the first option to chose from. New players dont understand what they are seeing and are clicking on the first option which is playing into Davids trap.

To accept: Accept

To view the game: View Game

Please decline if you don't want to join: Decline

The reservation and this message will automatically delete after 24 hours.

[Mr Changsha]

im still waiting for that 1st piece of proof that there is any help even given. I see not 1 post on the Cook forum offering any help of any kind and nothing in game chat but a few lines stating " I will answer any questions you might have after the game is over", which translated means, give me your points first and ill describe how I got them from you once I have them.

What's wrong with that? I would think that is surely all we can expect from even the most generous of us. Is he expected to write out a full 'how to beat me' pm before the game has started? No. Beat the chap solidly and then explain how you did it...then the chap can go off and try it out on someone else.

[eddie2]

ok then Gen.LeeGettinhed ill play you 5 games arms race fog no spoils casual auto deploy. lets see if you are worth your rank

[Snowgun]

Nothing adds up. Well, theres the same security blanket response we keep hearing over and over. Since its not new recruits its ok. How nice that we wait until they complete 5 games to get around the rules.

I'm not asking this to be snarky JR24, I'm curious about your thought process:

What rules would you put together? What measuring stick would you make that could be used by the mods and others to measure whether an (supposed) infraction was made of this type?

for starters, I would not make "accept" the first option to chose from. New players dont understand what they are seeing and are clicking on the first option which is playing into Davids trap.

To accept: Accept

To view the game: View Game

Please decline if you don't want to join: Decline

The reservation and this message will automatically delete after 24 hours.

Fair enough, but in essence this is all due to a coding issue? If they changed the format of the invite PM would this issue be dropped?

Sounds like this thread should be in Sugs and bugs...

[nippersean]

So here I am, one of the ones being "conned" into a game with David. Here is the game log from the game we played.

2010-02-01 18:01:35 - Frankly, my dear: WTF. I have Never played this map.
2010-02-01 18:04:40 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: sorry, most people look at map first before joining. 90% normal terr/color bonus
2010-02-01 18:04:49 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: if you like I can help after the game, oK?
2010-02-01 18:06:49 - Frankly, my dear: No problem
2010-02-01 18:12:07 - Frankly, my dear: What are the "U" ones
2010-02-01 18:14:55 - Frankly, my dear: I am so lost. I am basically just trying to kill your guys.
2010-02-01 18:18:55 - Frankly, my dear: This is pointless. You clearly know, I have no clue. You win.
2010-02-01 18:19:21 - Frankly, my dear: I will finish as promised but you will need to speed play because this makes no sense to me.
2010-02-01 18:19:46 - Frankly, my dear: You are holding... I am not... etc. etc.
2010-02-01 18:21:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: ah, sorry, family.. .and was just playing games/
2010-02-01 18:21:28 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: please list questions 1,2,3,4, and I'll answer after? ok?
2010-02-01 18:22:39 - Frankly, my dear: 1. What defines the territories.
2010-02-01 18:23:16 - Frankly, my dear: 2. Who made the key that is in not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but FIVE different spots on this map.
2010-02-01 18:23:25 - Frankly, my dear: 3. Why don't you hurry up and win.
2010-02-01 18:23:56 - Frankly, my dear: All ending with rhetorical questions marks becasue it was previosly stated that they were unknowns.
2010-02-01 18:25:21 - Frankly, my dear: More clear for you now?
2010-02-01 18:26:08 - Frankly, my dear: Helpful? No.
2010-02-01 18:26:20 - Frankly, my dear: Fair Gameplay? Not in the slightest.
2010-02-01 18:27:20 - Frankly, my dear: When a person asks simple questions regaurding the map, "Is the Middle East part of Asia?" You answer those questions unless you are an asshole.
2010-02-01 18:28:04 - Frankly, my dear: If you are an asshole that wants to beat chefs your response is, "Ask me after the game".
2010-02-01 18:30:49 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: hey,
2010-02-01 18:31:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: I don't like playing cooks
2010-02-01 18:31:23 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and I OFFERED, AFTER the game started to answer questions
2010-02-01 18:31:52 - Frankly, my dear: Respondlook up...
2010-02-01 18:32:15 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:04:49 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: if you like I can help after the game, oK?
2010-02-01 18:32:21 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:06:49 - Frankly, my dear: No problem
2010-02-01 18:32:25 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:12:07 - Frankly, my dear: What are the "U" ones
2010-02-01 18:32:31 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:14:55 - Frankly, my dear: I am so lost. I am basically just trying to kill your guys.
2010-02-01 18:32:36 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:18:55 - Frankly, my dear: This is pointless. You clearly know, I have no clue. You win.
2010-02-01 18:32:40 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and NO, I don't play ?-new-recruits
2010-02-01 18:32:47 - Frankly, my dear: Notice the time frames there David?
2010-02-01 18:33:27 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: ok, lets go 1 by 1
2010-02-01 18:33:28 - Frankly, my dear: 6 Minutes. 2 Questions. No answers. You, are, a, noob.
2010-02-01 18:33:41 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and Frankly, no one HAS to do this, I try to help this way, OK?
2010-02-01 18:33:53 - Frankly, my dear: Sure, you are good at the game, but how many like this account for your wins??
2010-02-01 18:34:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: AFTER the game started, I offered to answer AFTER the game was OVER
2010-02-01 18:34:12 - Frankly, my dear: Most?
2010-02-01 18:34:18 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: not my prob Frankly
2010-02-01 18:34:20 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: so q's?
2010-02-01 18:34:28 - Frankly, my dear: I have no clue what this map even means.
2010-02-01 18:34:45 - Frankly, my dear: I have no clue as to why there are 5 separate keys on this sloppily designed map.
2010-02-01 18:34:55 - Frankly, my dear: How many maps have 5 keys?
2010-02-01 18:35:02 - Frankly, my dear: How many PUBLISHED maps?
2010-02-01 18:35:11 - Frankly, my dear: This map makes no sense.
2010-02-01 18:35:21 - Frankly, my dear: If it did, I would have been fine.
2010-02-01 18:35:31 - Frankly, my dear: You could have answered the basic questions.
2010-02-01 18:35:37 - Frankly, my dear: Like what defines a territory.
2010-02-01 18:35:39 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, I wasn't reading ALL your info during the game, but waited until AFTER
2010-02-01 18:35:53 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: a territory is 1 outlined piece
2010-02-01 18:36:06 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: a BONUS are colored groups.. .OR like kinds (flags)
2010-02-01 18:36:13 - Frankly, my dear: So what makes a group.
2010-02-01 18:36:41 - Frankly, my dear: So what do the 5 keys mean.
2010-02-01 18:36:44 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: 5 keys, because it IS complicated.. . .I don't invite ?-new-recruits to play ANY map
2010-02-01 18:36:47 - Frankly, my dear: Left to right, top to bottom/.
2010-02-01 18:36:56 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: you seem to stick to Classic.. . I offered something different
2010-02-01 18:37:18 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Groups are same COLORS
2010-02-01 18:37:34 - Frankly, my dear: I do stick to classic. I can play other maps too.
2010-02-01 18:37:34 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: or Groups of FLAGS or 4 villages (listed on top right)
2010-02-01 18:37:41 - Frankly, my dear: But this is not a map.
2010-02-01 18:38:00 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: key in top left tells about HORSES and Cannonballs
2010-02-01 18:38:01 - Frankly, my dear: This is a very specific game and you could have answered my questions.
2010-02-01 18:38:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Horses can move 2
2010-02-01 18:38:21 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Cannons can ANNIHILATE far away,
2010-02-01 18:38:37 - Frankly, my dear: Yeah, I see that. Turns out they suck because I cannot attack the ones next to it.
2010-02-01 18:38:44 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol, they are ALL maps.. . this just happens to be more complicated
2010-02-01 18:39:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, when you lost you lost only 5 pts, I'd have lost 80. Should I make it EASY on you to win?
2010-02-01 18:39:15 - Frankly, my dear: Do they have more power?
2010-02-01 18:39:33 - Frankly, my dear: No, but you would have had no problem winning if you told me the basics.
2010-02-01 18:39:43 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Artillery: CAN ONLY bombard those in target.. .doesn't say you can move, says ONLY
2010-02-01 18:39:45 - Frankly, my dear: I would have had far more to cosider than you and it would have cost me the game.
2010-02-01 18:39:57 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Artillery can hit things 10 terr away
2010-02-01 18:40:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: AND lose NO armies doing it sometimes
2010-02-01 18:40:42 - Frankly, my dear: And the colors... How can you even tell them apart?
2010-02-01 18:40:48 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, remember, 20 people could have played you this game and very few will tell you as many details as I have
2010-02-01 18:40:58 - Frankly, my dear: blucher
2010-02-01 18:41:01 - Frankly, my dear: and the z one
2010-02-01 18:41:06 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: colors for me are VERY clear, maybe newer screen
2010-02-01 18:41:13 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: otherwise, by the Abbreviations
2010-02-01 18:41:24 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and even I misread the abbreviations after MANY games
2010-02-01 18:41:25 - Frankly, my dear: Perhaps.
2010-02-01 18:41:41 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Blucher are B's
2010-02-01 18:41:51 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Zienthen are Z's
2010-02-01 18:41:59 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Z-grey
2010-02-01 18:42:02 - Frankly, my dear: So what do the numbers mean by the generals
2010-02-01 18:42:11 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Blucher different color Grey
2010-02-01 18:42:15 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: but have DIFFERENT codes
2010-02-01 18:42:35 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: you earn 2 by capturing the General's HQ terr
2010-02-01 18:42:43 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: +2 for taking 1 terr
2010-02-01 18:42:59 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: numbers are the BONUSES values
2010-02-01 18:43:14 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, are you done being beligerent?
2010-02-01 18:43:25 - Frankly, my dear: +2 for taking 1 territory??
2010-02-01 18:43:39 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: most people say either NO I DON"T WANT TO KNOW, or THANK YOU FOR THE HELP/INSIGHTS
2010-02-01 18:43:59 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: YES, Napoleon and Wellington
2010-02-01 18:44:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol, funny no?
2010-02-01 18:44:08 - Frankly, my dear: It's belligerent. And no.
2010-02-01 18:44:25 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: pretty good return on investment
2010-02-01 18:44:38 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol, you are not done?
2010-02-01 18:44:47 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: being belligerent?
2010-02-01 18:45:02 - Frankly, my dear: You helped now, but durring the game you just wanted the win. You could have had it being nice, but it was more important than being helpful. Now that you have the points, the helpful comes. Thank you.
2010-02-01 18:45:34 - Gen.LeeGettinheda: Frank, you appeared to be a pretty good player, so I offered to play you here. If you didn't look strong, I'd have played you on a easier map
2010-02-01 18:46:04 - Frankly, my dear: I appreciate your help, thank you for the game. Good day.
2010-02-01 18:46:11 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, if I help too much too soon, I risk losing 16:1 vs you on pts
2010-02-01 18:46:19 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: I said.. .good day
2010-02-01 18:46:25 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol
2010-02-01 18:47:21 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Cad:10/NoProm before, offered after start of game

You know what I did after this? I saw him later in chat, I pm'd him an apology for being an ass in game chat, and admitted that it was MY OWN FAULT FOR PLAYING A GENERAL AT WATERLOO WITHOUT READING THE MAP. David and I are friends now. He has given me advice on many instances and I cannot think of a better way to lose 5 points. In the 3 days that followed he had taught me enough to launch my playing into the future. I am an eager learner with an excellent aptitude; that 5 points bought me 100 more. And it is still buying me more.

Here is my point, the people who WANT to play David over and over will, and there should be no restriction on them doing so. The people like me, who have had enough after the first time, will not play again. Although from time to time I joke with him about possibly doing a Waterloo FS...

Your accusation is clearly aimed at David, you are not trying to protect *netham*, you are not trying to help me, you are trying to hurt David and the only reason you are doing it is because you will naturally gain from it. Your accusation is SHITE, at best, it is selfish, conceded, self centered, and ignorant.

Ignorant: adj. Not knowing or having very little knowledge of.

Well Frankly, if this was some attempt to stick up for David's methods, it has the opposite effect, and is one of the points of the OP.

This apparently was not a great gaming experience for you.Many others have said the same.

If you consider "being conned," as you put it, a good experience, then good for you sir, but I doubt you can speak for the majority.

I see the "hundreds" of points you've since gained from this experience is actually fabrication.
You have played just 6 freestyle games with a creditable 3 wins. I've included the one with*nethan* though i'm not sure it should count.
You've never played Waterloo again.
As you say the accusation in the OP is aimed at David. That's why his name appears in the title.
For the very reasons you've outlined and are apparent from the gamechat, where you think you've been conned.

[firth4eva]

This is gross abuse of the system which is against the rules. A score-reset is appropriate.

[Gen.LeeGettinhed]

JohnnyRocket24 and his Purist associates,

Guys, I'm going to do you a favor and share with you a job posting that you might be interested in. Apparently your current occupations do not challenge you enough, and you seem to be well if not over-qualified:

OPENING FOR A PROCTOLOGIST:
- must have experience having own head up their own and other people's colons
- must be able to extrapolate (look it up) data from small information and make huge leaps in theory
- must have completed over 18,176 CC games
- must be able to jump in games with lower ranks vs: agreeing beforehand with an invite (like DH does)
- must continually join lower ranked dubs games with high ranking partner

It will probably pay more than your fast food job,

DH

[Frankly, my dear]

So here I am, one of the ones being "conned" into a game with David. Here is the game log from the game we played.

2010-02-01 18:01:35 - Frankly, my dear: WTF. I have Never played this map.
2010-02-01 18:04:40 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: sorry, most people look at map first before joining. 90% normal terr/color bonus
2010-02-01 18:04:49 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: if you like I can help after the game, oK?
2010-02-01 18:06:49 - Frankly, my dear: No problem
2010-02-01 18:12:07 - Frankly, my dear: What are the "U" ones
2010-02-01 18:14:55 - Frankly, my dear: I am so lost. I am basically just trying to kill your guys.
2010-02-01 18:18:55 - Frankly, my dear: This is pointless. You clearly know, I have no clue. You win.
2010-02-01 18:19:21 - Frankly, my dear: I will finish as promised but you will need to speed play because this makes no sense to me.
2010-02-01 18:19:46 - Frankly, my dear: You are holding... I am not... etc. etc.
2010-02-01 18:21:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: ah, sorry, family.. .and was just playing games/
2010-02-01 18:21:28 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: please list questions 1,2,3,4, and I'll answer after? ok?
2010-02-01 18:22:39 - Frankly, my dear: 1. What defines the territories.
2010-02-01 18:23:16 - Frankly, my dear: 2. Who made the key that is in not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but FIVE different spots on this map.
2010-02-01 18:23:25 - Frankly, my dear: 3. Why don't you hurry up and win.
2010-02-01 18:23:56 - Frankly, my dear: All ending with rhetorical questions marks becasue it was previosly stated that they were unknowns.
2010-02-01 18:25:21 - Frankly, my dear: More clear for you now?
2010-02-01 18:26:08 - Frankly, my dear: Helpful? No.
2010-02-01 18:26:20 - Frankly, my dear: Fair Gameplay? Not in the slightest.
2010-02-01 18:27:20 - Frankly, my dear: When a person asks simple questions regaurding the map, "Is the Middle East part of Asia?" You answer those questions unless you are an asshole.
2010-02-01 18:28:04 - Frankly, my dear: If you are an asshole that wants to beat chefs your response is, "Ask me after the game".
2010-02-01 18:30:49 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: hey,
2010-02-01 18:31:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: I don't like playing cooks
2010-02-01 18:31:23 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and I OFFERED, AFTER the game started to answer questions
2010-02-01 18:31:52 - Frankly, my dear: Respondlook up...
2010-02-01 18:32:15 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:04:49 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: if you like I can help after the game, oK?
2010-02-01 18:32:21 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:06:49 - Frankly, my dear: No problem
2010-02-01 18:32:25 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:12:07 - Frankly, my dear: What are the "U" ones
2010-02-01 18:32:31 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:14:55 - Frankly, my dear: I am so lost. I am basically just trying to kill your guys.
2010-02-01 18:32:36 - Frankly, my dear: 2010-02-01 18:18:55 - Frankly, my dear: This is pointless. You clearly know, I have no clue. You win.
2010-02-01 18:32:40 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and NO, I don't play ?-new-recruits
2010-02-01 18:32:47 - Frankly, my dear: Notice the time frames there David?
2010-02-01 18:33:27 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: ok, lets go 1 by 1
2010-02-01 18:33:28 - Frankly, my dear: 6 Minutes. 2 Questions. No answers. You, are, a, noob.
2010-02-01 18:33:41 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and Frankly, no one HAS to do this, I try to help this way, OK?
2010-02-01 18:33:53 - Frankly, my dear: Sure, you are good at the game, but how many like this account for your wins??
2010-02-01 18:34:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: AFTER the game started, I offered to answer AFTER the game was OVER
2010-02-01 18:34:12 - Frankly, my dear: Most?
2010-02-01 18:34:18 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: not my prob Frankly
2010-02-01 18:34:20 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: so q's?
2010-02-01 18:34:28 - Frankly, my dear: I have no clue what this map even means.
2010-02-01 18:34:45 - Frankly, my dear: I have no clue as to why there are 5 separate keys on this sloppily designed map.
2010-02-01 18:34:55 - Frankly, my dear: How many maps have 5 keys?
2010-02-01 18:35:02 - Frankly, my dear: How many PUBLISHED maps?
2010-02-01 18:35:11 - Frankly, my dear: This map makes no sense.
2010-02-01 18:35:21 - Frankly, my dear: If it did, I would have been fine.
2010-02-01 18:35:31 - Frankly, my dear: You could have answered the basic questions.
2010-02-01 18:35:37 - Frankly, my dear: Like what defines a territory.
2010-02-01 18:35:39 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, I wasn't reading ALL your info during the game, but waited until AFTER
2010-02-01 18:35:53 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: a territory is 1 outlined piece
2010-02-01 18:36:06 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: a BONUS are colored groups.. .OR like kinds (flags)
2010-02-01 18:36:13 - Frankly, my dear: So what makes a group.
2010-02-01 18:36:41 - Frankly, my dear: So what do the 5 keys mean.
2010-02-01 18:36:44 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: 5 keys, because it IS complicated.. . .I don't invite ?-new-recruits to play ANY map
2010-02-01 18:36:47 - Frankly, my dear: Left to right, top to bottom/.
2010-02-01 18:36:56 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: you seem to stick to Classic.. . I offered something different
2010-02-01 18:37:18 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Groups are same COLORS
2010-02-01 18:37:34 - Frankly, my dear: I do stick to classic. I can play other maps too.
2010-02-01 18:37:34 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: or Groups of FLAGS or 4 villages (listed on top right)
2010-02-01 18:37:41 - Frankly, my dear: But this is not a map.
2010-02-01 18:38:00 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: key in top left tells about HORSES and Cannonballs
2010-02-01 18:38:01 - Frankly, my dear: This is a very specific game and you could have answered my questions.
2010-02-01 18:38:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Horses can move 2
2010-02-01 18:38:21 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Cannons can ANNIHILATE far away,
2010-02-01 18:38:37 - Frankly, my dear: Yeah, I see that. Turns out they suck because I cannot attack the ones next to it.
2010-02-01 18:38:44 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol, they are ALL maps.. . this just happens to be more complicated
2010-02-01 18:39:08 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, when you lost you lost only 5 pts, I'd have lost 80. Should I make it EASY on you to win?
2010-02-01 18:39:15 - Frankly, my dear: Do they have more power?
2010-02-01 18:39:33 - Frankly, my dear: No, but you would have had no problem winning if you told me the basics.
2010-02-01 18:39:43 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Artillery: CAN ONLY bombard those in target.. .doesn't say you can move, says ONLY
2010-02-01 18:39:45 - Frankly, my dear: I would have had far more to cosider than you and it would have cost me the game.
2010-02-01 18:39:57 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Artillery can hit things 10 terr away
2010-02-01 18:40:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: AND lose NO armies doing it sometimes
2010-02-01 18:40:42 - Frankly, my dear: And the colors... How can you even tell them apart?
2010-02-01 18:40:48 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, remember, 20 people could have played you this game and very few will tell you as many details as I have
2010-02-01 18:40:58 - Frankly, my dear: blucher
2010-02-01 18:41:01 - Frankly, my dear: and the z one
2010-02-01 18:41:06 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: colors for me are VERY clear, maybe newer screen
2010-02-01 18:41:13 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: otherwise, by the Abbreviations
2010-02-01 18:41:24 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: and even I misread the abbreviations after MANY games
2010-02-01 18:41:25 - Frankly, my dear: Perhaps.
2010-02-01 18:41:41 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Blucher are B's
2010-02-01 18:41:51 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Zienthen are Z's
2010-02-01 18:41:59 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Z-grey
2010-02-01 18:42:02 - Frankly, my dear: So what do the numbers mean by the generals
2010-02-01 18:42:11 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Blucher different color Grey
2010-02-01 18:42:15 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: but have DIFFERENT codes
2010-02-01 18:42:35 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: you earn 2 by capturing the General's HQ terr
2010-02-01 18:42:43 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: +2 for taking 1 terr
2010-02-01 18:42:59 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: numbers are the BONUSES values
2010-02-01 18:43:14 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, are you done being beligerent?
2010-02-01 18:43:25 - Frankly, my dear: +2 for taking 1 territory??
2010-02-01 18:43:39 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: most people say either NO I DON"T WANT TO KNOW, or THANK YOU FOR THE HELP/INSIGHTS
2010-02-01 18:43:59 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: YES, Napoleon and Wellington
2010-02-01 18:44:07 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol, funny no?
2010-02-01 18:44:08 - Frankly, my dear: It's belligerent. And no.
2010-02-01 18:44:25 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: pretty good return on investment
2010-02-01 18:44:38 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol, you are not done?
2010-02-01 18:44:47 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: being belligerent?
2010-02-01 18:45:02 - Frankly, my dear: You helped now, but durring the game you just wanted the win. You could have had it being nice, but it was more important than being helpful. Now that you have the points, the helpful comes. Thank you.
2010-02-01 18:45:34 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, you appeared to be a pretty good player, so I offered to play you here. If you didn't look strong, I'd have played you on a easier map
2010-02-01 18:46:04 - Frankly, my dear: I appreciate your help, thank you for the game. Good day.
2010-02-01 18:46:11 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Frank, if I help too much too soon, I risk losing 16:1 vs you on pts
2010-02-01 18:46:19 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: I said.. .good day
2010-02-01 18:46:25 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: lol
2010-02-01 18:47:21 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: Cad:10/NoProm before, offered after start of game

You know what I did after this? I saw him later in chat, I pm'd him an apology for being an ass in game chat, and admitted that it was MY OWN FAULT FOR PLAYING A GENERAL AT WATERLOO WITHOUT READING THE MAP. David and I are friends now. He has given me advice on many instances and I cannot think of a better way to lose 5 points. In the 3 days that followed he had taught me enough to launch my playing into the future. I am an eager learner with an excellent aptitude; that 5 points bought me 100 more. And it is still buying me more.

Here is my point, the people who WANT to play David over and over will, and there should be no restriction on them doing so. The people like me, who have had enough after the first time, will not play again. Although from time to time I joke with him about possibly doing a Waterloo FS...

Your accusation is clearly aimed at David, you are not trying to protect *netham*, you are not trying to help me, you are trying to hurt David and the only reason you are doing it is because you will naturally gain from it. Your accusation is SHITE, at best, it is selfish, conceded, self centered, and ignorant.

Ignorant: adj. Not knowing or having very little knowledge of.

Well Frankly, if this was some attempt to stick up for David's methods, it has the opposite effect, and is one of the points of the OP.

This apparently was not a great gaming experience for you.Many others have said the same.

If you consider "being conned," as you put it, a good experience, then good for you sir, but I doubt you can speak for the majority.

I see the "hundreds" of points you've since gained from this experience is actually fabrication.
You have played just 6 freestyle games with a creditable 3 wins. I've included the one with*nethan* though i'm not sure it should count.
You've never played Waterloo again.
As you say the accusation in the OP is aimed at David. That's why his name appears in the title.
For the very reasons you've outlined and are apparent from the gamechat, where you think you've been conned.

As has been previously stated, and outlined in the above quoted game chat, I felt at the time I was being cheated out of points. I am a logical and intelligent person so after my initial reaction I was ready to accept the fact that I, NOT DAVID, joined that game which places the infraction 100% on my shoulders. Sure, I have not played a ton of FS for points but the points are there from other games. David has given me HOURS of advice in private chat and in my email. You can see some of his comments on my wall, one today clearly indicating he is still watching my games and giving advice when he sees flaw. Before we played that game at Waterloo, he told me he would teach me some tricks about the game; "some" is probably the biggest underestimation I could imagine. I hold the value of knowledge quite high so perhaps I am undervaluing your view on the 5 points David scored that day. If this were the case, however, I would not be taken by surprise as the intelligence level around here seems to very greatly.

Good day sir.

[THORNHEART]

i dont read the funnies anymore just the c&a thread in the morning before breakfast...

[Gold Knight]

JohnnyRocket24 and his Purist associates,

Guys, I'm going to do you a favor and share with you a job posting that you might be interested in. Apparently your current occupations do not challenge you enough, and you seem to be well if not over-qualified:

OPENING FOR A PROCTOLOGIST:
- must have experience having own head up their own and other people's colons
- must be able to extrapolate (look it up) data from small information and make huge leaps in theory
- must have completed over 18,176 CC games
- must be able to jump in games with lower ranks vs: agreeing beforehand with an invite (like DH does)
- must continually join lower ranked dubs games with high ranking partner

It will probably pay more than your fast food job,

Flaming/baiting, though humorous youre not really helping your case at all...

[eddie2]

as i thought you a chicken s@@t why not take me up or am i to high a rank for u to play