mnduke secret diplomacy [warned]

[poohcrumbs]

i poohcrumbs accuse mnduke and marimorgann


The accused are suspected of:

secret diplomacy

mndulke wrote on marimorgann's wall .." i will rebuild,,you attack him to show him th errors of his way, if not i wll suicide on him"

screen shot ..1 and 2 i ..im new at this so i couldn't get both names and post in 1 shot ..http://s1006.photobucket.com/albums/af185/poohcrumbs/ at top left is marimorgnans name or proof of his wall and 2nd is (2nd post down is mnduke) saying i will suicide on this guy..u build...(i know the 75% view thing gets in the way of marimograams name) BEST I COULD DO (..ANY WAYS THEY TALK..out of game chat.on each others walls about a mutual opponent/players wall basically saying i will make sure u win if i cant.this is classic secret diplomacy on new players..they are friends they always write on each other walls//i could go look at the game they were in .but i feel this is enough .if not i will go find the game in question and find the suspect game play..im sure it wouldn't be hard and i could stumble upon more infractions/illegal activity..

Comments:

[poohcrumbs]

marimorgann erased his post so the name of the thread should be edited i couldnt remember his handle..then he erased the posts..it should read marimorgann not how i mispelled his handle sorry

[lord voldemort]

form...game numbers??

[poohcrumbs]

cant u look on the date and then game history seems to easy ..ur gonna make me do that when i took screenshots..seems to defeat the purpose of a screen shot ..

[Snowgun]

Game 6254957

I don't know, it seems like he doesn't know this guy (look at the funny stuff he says in bold below), but he is chatting with him on his wall. Maybe he is just venting about snowocean, not really meaning to do any secret diplomacy...

2010-01-11 04:38:30 - marimorgann: i got this won
2010-01-11 12:16:08 - FalconX: hello friends!
2010-01-12 07:50:53 - marimorgann: hi fetatga
2010-01-12 17:39:44 - MNDuke: gl
2010-01-14 00:19:35 - MNDuke: come on now yellow have some sense
2010-01-14 00:20:25 - MNDuke: why would you attack me when I have made no attempt to break your bonus...you do see greens big stack over yonder....not again.....do not continue to suicide into me
2010-01-14 00:20:58 - MNDuke: consider that your warning
2010-01-14 00:21:40 - MNDuke: you do it again, you will be losing the game for both us. I think I have made myself clear
2010-01-15 19:35:17 - marimorgann: i was waiting until MNDuke and snowocean (lovely name) destroyed each other. didnt happen
2010-01-15 19:35:46 - marimorgann: im surprised NNDuke land only gets 3/turn. seems like it should get 5
2010-01-16 01:02:57 - MNDuke: it has enemies surrounding it....and yellow is smarter than he looks
2010-01-16 01:03:17 - MNDuke: lets see if he has enough sense to break you now that you 17 stack is a mere 4
2010-01-16 04:16:21 - marimorgann: he tried
2010-01-16 16:30:55 - MNDuke: no he didn'
2010-01-16 16:31:01 - MNDuke: he went after me
2010-01-16 16:31:40 - MNDuke: why are you such an idiot yellow.....thats it i now am suiciding into you fuckin bafoon you are a god damn retard and idiot
2010-01-16 16:31:57 - MNDuke: i fucking warned you and now you lose like me dumbfuck
2010-01-16 16:32:11 - MNDuke: go to hell and welcome to my foes list you stupid piece of shit!
2010-01-16 16:35:24 - MNDuke: WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING DUMB??????????????
2010-01-16 16:35:38 - MNDuke: YOU ATTACK THE NON THREAT WHILE LEAVING THE STRONGEST ALIVE
2010-01-16 16:35:53 - MNDuke: I CAN ONLY SURMISE THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH GREEN
2010-01-16 16:36:25 - MNDuke: IF SO.....NO MORE GAMES FOR ME WITH GREEN.....TOO MUCH SECRET DIPLOMACY
2010-01-16 16:36:58 - MNDuke: f*ck this! I'm tired of playing with idiots and cheats
2010-01-16 20:11:45 - marimorgann: i dont know who he is
2010-01-16 20:12:12 - marimorgann: i suspect that he is simply retarded. ive just been biding my time while he ruins you.
2010-01-16 20:12:33 - marimorgann: he also tried to ruin falcon tho early on
2010-01-17 01:31:50 - snowocean: yo blue, it might be time to get a life.
2010-01-18 18:37:43 - marimorgann: gg

[Snowgun]

cant u look on the date and then game history seems to easy ..ur gonna make me do that when i took screenshots..seems to defeat the purpose of a screen shot ..

I did it you lazy bastard.

you can make your own form though

[lord voldemort]

snowgun beat me to it..
right away my thoughts are that he is just frustrated with being suicided onto...The wall post has me a little bit worried though

[Snowgun]

Yea, I think he was pissed off and wanted yellow (snowocean) punished, and he was probably being flippant on the wall post. Green probably had the game sewn up at that point anyway, and MNduke mentioned suiciding if yellow didn't get "punished" for his tactical error. I guess I see diplomacy as more something that is benificial to you in the game, at least for a while. MNduke sounds like he just wanted yellow to see that by attacking him he gave green the game even if he had to suicide against him.

IMHO, MNduke would probably benefit from a stern talking too and a notation in his file. The other guy (who is not named mammarann) probably has nothing to do with this..,

interesting how Poo is dredging up accusations against MNduke after MNduke reported him. Wierd!

[poohcrumbs]

go look ..if they havent erased all their posts snowgun..they definitely know each other..just cuz mnduke beat me to the forum to tell doesn't mean im wrong..the game chat also is something to be looked over - 010-01-16 16:31:01 - MNDuke: he went after me
2010-01-16 16:31:40 - MNDuke: why are you such an idiot yellow.....thats it i now am suiciding into you fuckin bafoon you are a god damn retard and idiot
2010-01-16 16:31:57 - MNDuke: i fucking warned you and now you lose like me dumbfuck
2010-01-16 16:32:11 - MNDuke: go to hell and welcome to my foes list you stupid piece of shit!
2010-01-16 16:35:24 - MNDuke: WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING DUMB??????????????

is that not baiting /flamming??

[poohcrumbs]

sorry like i said in the one post i couldn't get his name st8 until i looked at the photobucket pic it is marimorgann ..AND mnduke posting to him outside of game chat is secret diplomacy..period ..whether he posted something about me before ....end of story ..screen shot i feel says it all..im not trying to ruffle feathers ...just saying

[Master Fenrir]

It's hard to tell because the screenshots show the date but not the time of the wall posts, but it looks like Duke was just repeating what he had already said in the chat.

[nippersean]

go look ..if they havent erased all their posts snowgun..they definitely know each other..just cuz mnduke beat me to the forum to tell doesn't mean im wrong..the game chat also is something to be looked over - 010-01-16 16:31:01 - MNDuke: he went after me
2010-01-16 16:31:40 - MNDuke: why are you such an idiot yellow.....thats it i now am suiciding into you fuckin bafoon you are a god damn retard and idiot
2010-01-16 16:31:57 - MNDuke: i fucking warned you and now you lose like me dumbfuck
2010-01-16 16:32:11 - MNDuke: go to hell and welcome to my foes list you stupid piece of shit!
2010-01-16 16:35:24 - MNDuke: WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING DUMB??????????????

is that not baiting /flamming??

No it isn't baiting / flaming, or flamming even. Look at the guidelines section through the links at the top of the page.

[Gold Knight]

snowgun beat me to it..
right away my thoughts are that he is just frustrated with being suicided onto...The wall post has me a little bit worried though

Agree with this, though i wouldnt call "attack him or im going to suicide on him" really diplomacy between two players. Seems like a weak case, and the fact that you two have already been feuding... Use your foe list, thats about all i can see as an outcome of this...

[Snowgun]

go look ..if they havent erased all their posts snowgun..they definitely know each other..just cuz mnduke beat me to the forum to tell doesn't mean im wrong..the game chat also is something to be looked over - 010-01-16 16:31:01 - MNDuke: he went after me
2010-01-16 16:31:40 - MNDuke: why are you such an idiot yellow.....thats it i now am suiciding into you fuckin bafoon you are a god damn retard and idiot
2010-01-16 16:31:57 - MNDuke: i fucking warned you and now you lose like me dumbfuck
2010-01-16 16:32:11 - MNDuke: go to hell and welcome to my foes list you stupid piece of shit!
2010-01-16 16:35:24 - MNDuke: WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING DUMB??????????????

is that not baiting /flamming??

No it isn't baiting / flaming, or flamming even. Look at the guidelines section through the links at the top of the page.

Nippers beat me to it.
game chat is held to a different standard than say posting here in the c&a forum...

[jefjef]

Looking back in marimorgann wall MNduke and he has been buds for a while. Page 5 is from Sept and they were pretty chummy.

This is on page 4

shall we go after teal in our middle east game and then battle eachother???

by MNDuke
on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:45 am

Game 5572960 from 9/13/09 - 10/18/09

From game chat:

2009-09-18 20:08:05 - MNDuke: Truces are for player's who are too weak to win on their own. lol, I don't make truces as I do not feel that they are in the spirit of the game. The only time I truce or ally is when one player is running away with it.
2009-09-18 20:08:34 - MNDuke: and at this point that is red
2009-09-19 00:46:02 - marimorgann: the game includes a Game Chat just for the purpose of negotiations


Seems to be a past history of wall communications in non team games.

This complaint probably needs to be seriously looked at.

[Snowgun]

LOL.

Maybe I should be a recidivist and opine that MNduke should be sternly warned because the foe and rating system doesn't work, and that any vague accusation based on shaky evidence should be acted upon here in C&A, complete with notations in every players secret "file".



WOW, and what "abuse" by MN duke! He is definitely "causing problems" making others "have a bad day". No WAY rating and FAMO is enough here, this villain must be STOPPED with severe C&A beatdown!

Sorry, it was just to ironic to pass up. Don't fear MNduke, I still believe in innocence pending overwhelming evidence.
Back to topic:

Looking back in marimorgann wall MNduke and he has been buds for a while. Page 5 is from Sept and they were pretty chummy.
This complaint probably needs to be seriously looked at.

Interesting, it's just this line that has me confused:

2010-01-16 16:36:25 - MNDuke: IF SO.....NO MORE GAMES FOR ME WITH GREEN.....TOO MUCH SECRET DIPLOMACY

I still think they probably (at this point) were barely acquaintances who gamed. Unless they play a deeper game...

[jefjef]

Game chat a couple days after that wall post.

2009-10-09 00:31:55 - MNDuke: teal I hope you do the right thing and go after red...he is clearly going to run away with this and we will both lose

[Snowgun]

Game chat a couple days after that wall post.

2009-10-09 00:31:55 - MNDuke: teal I hope you do the right thing and go after red...he is clearly going to run away with this and we will both lose

I don't get it, Who is teal? are you in the right game Jef?

BTW, looking back into more of the wall posts I think you are correct JefJef, they are pretty chummy.....

[jefjef]

Game chat a couple days after that wall post.

2009-10-09 00:31:55 - MNDuke: teal I hope you do the right thing and go after red...he is clearly going to run away with this and we will both lose

I don't get it, Who is teal? are you in the right game Jef?

BTW, looking back into more of the wall posts I think you are correct JefJef, they are pretty chummy.....

Game 5572960 teal is Kakouss

On Page 8 of mari wall

Suck my sardines

by MNDuke
on Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:27 pm

They have been pals for some time.

[Snowgun]

Accused:
mnduke
marimorgann


The accused are suspected of:

secret diplomacy

Game:
Game 6254957


Comments:
mndulke wrote on marimorgann's wall .." i will rebuild,,you attack him to show him th errors of his way, if not i wll suicide on him"

screen shot ..1 and 2 i ..im new at this so i couldn't get both names and post in 1 shot ..http://s1006.photobucket.com/albums/af185/poohcrumbs/ at top left is marimorgnans name or proof of his wall and 2nd is (2nd post down is mnduke) saying i will suicide on this guy..u build...(i know the 75% view thing gets in the way of marimograams name) BEST I COULD DO (..ANY WAYS THEY TALK..out of game chat.on each others walls about a mutual opponent/players wall basically saying i will make sure u win if i cant.this is classic secret diplomacy on new players..they are friends they always write on each other walls//i could go look at the game they were in .but i feel this is enough .if not i will go find the game in question and find the suspect game play..im sure it wouldn't be hard and i could stumble upon more infractions/illegal activity..

Just in case this was holding things up...

[jefjef]

Looking back in marimorgann wall MNduke and he has been buds for a while. All the way back to Page 8 is wall chat from MNDuke from June and they are pretty chummy.

This is on page 4

shall we go after teal in our middle east game and then battle eachother???

by MNDuke
on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:45 am

Game 5572960 from 9/13/09 - 10/18/09

From game chat:

2009-09-18 20:08:05 - MNDuke: Truces are for player's who are too weak to win on their own. lol, I don't make truces as I do not feel that they are in the spirit of the game. The only time I truce or ally is when one player is running away with it.
2009-09-18 20:08:34 - MNDuke: and at this point that is red
2009-09-19 00:46:02 - marimorgann: the game includes a Game Chat just for the purpose of negotiations


Seems to be a past history of wall communications in non team games.

This complaint probably needs to be seriously looked at.

I find myself as a partner of dukes in a quad game. I Hope he doesn't throw it.

[Snowgun]

DAMN!

nice catch jefjef.

Hard to argue with that....

Edit:

Looked back at MNdukes wall all the f*ck back to october. Mari didn't reply back that I can see.

[jefjef]

DAMN!

nice catch jefjef.

Hard to argue with that....

Edit:

Looked back at MNdukes wall all the f*ck back to october. Mari didn't reply back that I can see.

Yea I can't find any reply pertaining to games from marimorgann. I'm thinking he doesn't belong as part of this complaint.

They have been in 14 standard 3+ player games together. One or the other has won 8 times. 4 each.

[MNDuke]

I'll set the record straight and end the speculation. Marimorgrann and I are indeed old friends. We go way back to being friends in high school. He's even the one that recommended me to this site and I to him premium membership.

I had never intended on getting involved in anything that I thought was considered secret diplomacy. If it makes any difference, I never followed through with said plan and was just venting.

In reference to some of the other scrutiny:

Such as this line: "
2010-01-16 16:36:25 - MNDuke: IF SO.....NO MORE GAMES FOR ME WITH GREEN.....TOO MUCH SECRET DIPLOMACY"

I was accusing my own friend of secret diplomacy. He likes to set up alliances and make truces with people in games. Via game chat. Such as "I'll give you this region for that" or "I won't attack you if you don't attack me." I don't believe in such methods and don't like to be involved games where such things are taking place. His game play or style is much different than my own. So that's what that in reference to. Also, he tends to get in games with a lot of newer players and I always find myself a target in these games, along with his deal-making they don't interest me.

I hope that clears the air and ends the speculation. I'm sure it will just bring about further shit storm. But I'm tired of all this stupid interest from certain people who have nothing better to do than troll the C&A forums.

Just issue me a warning so we can all move on and you have to see me in the C&A forum. It's far too much effort than it's worth.

Thanks.

[THORNHEART]

lol first off

i see no evidence of secret diplomacy in the game poohcrumbs mentions so no need to look back 8 pages into someones wall to find a maybe secret diplomacy post written along time ago...

second poohcrumbs is obviously retalatory in his post here

third how long have this guys been ahting and posting against each other and they still are in games together?? why havnt they foed the other yet again?

this is becoming ridicolous.