Kiron - Xiangwang[cleared]

by **bib.ou** on Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:36 am

Accused:

Kiron
Xiangwang

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis

Game number(s):

Game 5330958
Game 5329467
Game 6026807

and 3 more where they played together

Comments:
In light of the series of converging evidences, the fact that Kiron and Xiungwang are the same person makes no doubt for me:
- Xiungwang has played relatively few games (25) and 6 of them are with Kiron on the waterloo map.
- In all games (freestyle), there is the same technique: Xiangwang plays last and then immediately after Kiron plays or the other way around. This way bonuses are broken by Xianwang or kept by Kiron.

See some examples below
- Game 5330958 :
2009-07-31 12:07:25 - xiangwang ended the turn and got spoils
2009-07-31 12:07:25 - Incrementing game to round 5
2009-07-31 12:09:41 - Kiron received 3 troops for 9 regions
2009-07-31 12:09:54 - Kiron deployed 3 troops on Imperial Guard 02
2009-07-31 12:10:04 - Kiron bombarded Chässe 03 from Imperial Guard 02 and annihilated brianpregan's troops
2009-07-31 12:10:07 - Kiron ended the turn and got spoils
2009-07-31 12:10:58 - xiangwang received 3 troops for 8 regions

2009-08-06 02:11:18 - xiangwang ended the turn and got spoils
2009-08-06 02:11:18 - Incrementing game to round 13
2009-08-06 02:13:40 - Kiron received 8 troops for holding v. Blücher
2009-08-06 02:13:40 - Kiron received 3 troops for 10 regions

Game 5329467
2009-08-01 12:06:35 - Kiron missed a turn
2009-08-01 12:06:35 - xiangwang missed a turn
2009-08-03 13:10:57 - xiangwang ended the turn and got spoils
2009-08-03 13:16:06 - Kiron received 2 troops for holding Wellington
2009-08-03 13:19:07 - Kiron ended the turn and got spoils
2009-08-03 13:19:07 - Incrementing game to round 10
2009-08-03 13:20:45 - xiangwang received 3 troops for 6 regions
2009-08-03 13:20:53 - xiangwang deployed 3 troops on Picton 02
2009-08-03 13:20:59 - Kiron received 2 troops for holding Wellington
2009-08-04 16:14:58 - xiangwang ended the turn and got spoils
2009-08-04 16:14:58 - Incrementing game to round 12
2009-08-04 16:16:08 - Kiron received 8 troops for holding Uxbridge

Game 6026807
2009-12-08 15:49:10 - Kiron ended the turn and got spoils
2009-12-08 15:49:10 - Incrementing game to round 11
2009-12-08 15:50:22 - xiangwang received 7 troops for holding Reille

I'm ready to make any kind of experiment you consider appropriate to try to gather further evidence on this game.

by **eye84free** on Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:11 pm

Looking into it at this time.

Eye84free

by **bib.ou** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:02 am

Game 6026807

It goes on with the same technic... :twisted:

2009-12-10 22:15:14 - xiangwang ended the turn and got spoils
2009-12-10 22:15:15 - Incrementing game to round 14
2009-12-10 22:16:25 - Kiron received 5 troops for holding Ziethen
2009-12-10 22:16:25 - Kiron received 6 troops for 18 regions
2009-12-10 22:16:40 - xiangwang received 7 troops for holding Reille

by **bib.ou** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:21 am

just realised that Kiron did the same until june 09 with drakeavril (see games were they are both involved such as Game 4945175 where Kiron tries even -thorugh the chat- to make believe that drakeavril is not an experimented player to explain weird moves! Other games are Game 4895430, Game 4817955, Game 4817955 etc so many simultaneous connections canot even be explained by students finishing school at the same time or similar.

by **Masli** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:36 am

Also Xiangwang had Clickys in his fifth Game 5056934 :
2009-06-14 17:02:13 - xiangwang received 3 troops for 9 regions
2009-06-14 17:02:13 - xiangwang received 3 deferred troops for missing 1 rounds
2009-06-14 17:02:14 - xiangwang deployed 3 troops on A12
2009-06-14 17:02:14 - xiangwang assaulted A10 from A12 and conquered it from motownz
2009-06-14 17:02:17 - xiangwang deployed 3 troops on A10
2009-06-14 17:02:18 - xiangwang ended the turn and got spoils

In the first 4 games he missed a lot of turns, so I think its strange for him/her to have clickys so soon and know how to use it!

He has a lot of missed turns in the games with Kiron, so that is a bit odd if its a multi

by **Duality.** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:38 am

Masli wrote:Also Xiangwang had Clickys in his fifth Game 5056934 :
He has a lot of missed turns in the games with Kiron, so that is a bit odd if its a multi

Unless they're deliberate.

It's always possible that they could just be friends, and obviously Kiron will help Xiangwang by telling him about BOB and Clickies. I guess we'll find out soon, but it would certainly be disappointing if a top player had made it there by cheating.

by **bib.ou** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:20 pm

I'm afraid there is little doubt :
- out of 13 escalating games with 8 players played together by drakeavril and Kiron, Kiron won 10! (I know he's general but still he's rate is around 50%...).
- out of the 5 games already done with Xiangwang, he won 3 and would probably have won the 4th if I haven't anticipated their tactics. Another player proposing me a truce helped also prolongating the game...
- drakeavril seems to have last taken turn by the end of June, just when Xiangwang started to be present in games with Kiron.

by **Beckytheblondie** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:32 pm

Nice work bib.ou

by **JOHNNYROCKET24** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:03 pm

if found guilty, he will be added to the Wall of Shame.

by **darkangelsguy205** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:56 pm

i do think they are just freiands im a littl to lazy right now to show it but they should be blocked

by **darkangelsguy205** on Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:01 pm

log in time
Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:33 pm
another log in time
Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:22 pm

there both diffrent times a day difrence. they still could be multis but some of your info is wrong

by **bib.ou** on Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:59 pm

If any doubt go and see Game 5330958 and the chat!

by **bib.ou** on Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:18 pm

Won't made a study of the vocabulary used by them but...

Game 6026809
2009-12-09 16:00:46 - xiangwang: seriously orange, what was that for...

Game 5330958
2009-08-06 21:35:34 - Kiron: serisouly yellow?

by **magicc** on Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:50 pm

@JOHNNYROCKET24
May I ask what is the Wall of Shame?

by **jleonnn** on Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:55 am

If this is true, then oh man! Kiron was already busted once... Has he/she learned his/her lesson?

by **bib.ou** on Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:56 am

and it goes on in Game 6026807. Funny as another player (don't think he can be involved) connected before Xiangwang did, hence the result

2009-12-12 14:52:09 - Kiron ended the turn and got spoils
2009-12-12 14:52:09 - Incrementing game to round 16
2009-12-12 14:52:25 - obid received 7 troops for holding Ney
2009-12-12 14:52:25 - obid received 3 troops for 9 regions
2009-12-12 14:52:32 - obid cashed in a group of Alton 01, Papolette 01, and D'erlon 01 worth 6 troops
2009-12-12 14:52:43 - xiangwang received 7 troops for holding Reille
2009-12-12 14:52:43 - xiangwang received 8 troops for 26 regions
2009-12-12 14:52:48 - Kiron received 10 troops for holding D'erlon
2009-12-12 14:52:48 - Kiron received 5 troops for holding Ziethen

I think he's working with two computers. he first ended turn and then logged on the other computer, and go back to "xiangwang's computer" and then realise it was urgent for Kiron to start turn, played with Kiron and then went back to xiang. There was no specific reason for Xian to wait for Kiron finishing his turn as they are positionned in a way they can't attack each other : from the beginning Kian deploys on the western side of the map while Kiron deploys on the eastern. I wouldn't be surprised to find the same pattern in his remaining games with one of his multis.

by **Kiron** on Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:19 pm

This post is hilarious, anytime someone wants to play with friends, it's cheating...wow...i take a break from conquerclub for 2 months and my first game...accused of cheating...if you noticed, xiangwang has become a very good player himself, I taught him the ropes of how to play freesyle games...he's doing quite well by himself.

by **Kiron** on Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:38 pm

Btw, if you noticed, xiangwang is starting to develop his specialty in a map (crusades), which I told him to do to become better. Xiangwang only played waterloo games with me because that's the map I specialize in and there was no need for me to risk me losing points to teach someone how to play on a subpar map for myself.

In our current game, we just happen to knock around teal because of his provoked attacks on BOTH of us and he was the LEADING player (look at the game logs). Xiangwang has attacked me as well, but being on opposite of the map (not exactly by choice, but best tactical route given our initial starting positions), we have little incentive to attack each other (any players with experience on waterloo will understand).

P.S. I have won enough share of waterloo with or without xiangwang playing with me.

by **eye84free** on Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:50 am

Sorry for the long delay. But this is still being looked into. I do understand some people are getting upset, but sometimes it does take alittle time to find out the truth.

Thanks Eye84free

by **Evil Semp** on Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:25 pm

Kiron and Xiangwang are CLEARED.

by **Chariot of Fire** on Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:36 pm

I could tell you with a degree of certainty that these two players either:

i) enter games together with an unwritten alliance from the start

or

ii) are the same person

Having looked through a good cross-section of their games I'm inclined to believe they are one and the same person.

Can provide damning evidence if there's any interest.

by **ljex** on Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:10 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:I could tell you with a degree of certainty that these two players either:

i) enter games together with an unwritten alliance from the start

or

ii) are the same person

Having looked through a good cross-section of their games I'm inclined to believe they are one and the same person.

Can provide damning evidence if there's any interest.

Ill bite, what is this so called damning evidence?