rbelgrod, Mageplunka, Arish Babil [Blocked/Score Reset/Vaca]

[Knight2254]

Just to clarify:

A temporary Website Ban just drops the user from waiting games. Until a permanent ban is issued, the involved member will not be kicked out of any current games he is in.

This is your answer Knight.

Gracias

[AAFitz]

Just as last time, I highly suspect this was mage taking over the account and doing this. I suspect rbel took the fall to somewhat protect his son last time, and will probably do this this time also.

Who knows at this point though

[brian fletcher]

Pathetic!
One month for a 2nd offence.
Ive now lost all respect for CC staff.
Surely this is the same as being a multi.

[king sam]

Pathetic!
One month for a 2nd offence.
Ive now lost all respect for CC staff.
Surely this is the same as being a multi.

Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Personal Information Abuse, Account Sitting Abuse, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Systematically "Farming" New Recruits, Illegal Point Collecting, Gambling, **Point Dumping** etc.

* Major/Severe Infractions follow a shortened vacation escalation scale of: Warning, One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.

Be nice or leave

It's fine if you don't like this site or the way it is run...find another one with better rules, start another one and make your own rules, abuse another one and try to get them to change their rules, but don't complain about the rules here.

They were found guilty of Illegal point Gain & "Point Dumping" respectively twice. The 2nd offense for these infractions are a 1 Month Vacation, and the third and last should it happen again is a Permanent One.

The Community Guidelines are there for everyone to read, its in black and white (and some color) stating exactly what is and isn't acceptable in almost every area of this site, and it even dictates to everyone the consequences of violations found in here. The punishment that was handed out was as per the guidelines.

I suggest you either read them for the first time or re-read them again.

KS

[Woodruff]

So the punishment for points dumping is a score reset? How do you punish multis, create a bunch of new accounts for them?

Why has this point been ignored?

[king sam]

So the punishment for points dumping is a score reset? How do you punish multis, create a bunch of new accounts for them?

Why has this point been ignored?

I didnt see this point, nor do I understand the question.

Its all stated in the guidelines, excessive abuse from dumping points or gaining them through the throwing of games or secret diplomacies will result in a point reset seeing as the points gained were illegally gained. First time you get the reset and a Warning, 2nd time you get a reset and a 1 Month Vacation, 3rd time you get the reset and a Permanent Vacation. (Policy of the 1 month vacation is you are allowed to continue in all the games you are currently in, just not allowed to join anymore, and once all games are complete the 1month vacation begins)

If you get Busted as a multi you get immediately kicked from all active and awaiting games and your account is turned into a freemium with a chance to rebuy in. The fact that their are users out their that continue to break rules and find ways to continue to make multies is not something we can control, all we can do is mediate and act on these types of people when their found out via random scans, E-Tickets or claims in here.

[brian fletcher]

You seem to have misunderstood my question.
Why is it that they are only given a one month ban? Was it not proven that they are both, rbelgrod and Mageplunka, to be multis using the same computer and ip? If that is the case then they should be perma banned?
As it was mentioned in an earlier post. rbel won all but one of his games against his so-called son.

[the.killing.44]

pi's point is that by point dumping someone WANTS to be at a low score. So the punishment? You disallow him to play for 1 month but get him where he wanted to be.

[Woodruff]

So the punishment for points dumping is a score reset? How do you punish multis, create a bunch of new accounts for them?

Why has this point been ignored?

I didnt see this point, nor do I understand the question.

He's point-dumping, so his punishment is to...reset his points. This doesn't make ANY sense...as he said, it's akin to finding a multi and punishing them by creating more accounts for them.

[jefjef]

So the punishment for points dumping is a score reset? How do you punish multis, create a bunch of new accounts for them?

Why has this point been ignored?

I didnt see this point, nor do I understand the question.

He's point-dumping, so his punishment is to...reset his points. This doesn't make ANY sense...as he said, it's akin to finding a multi and punishing them by creating more accounts for them.

rbelgrod was the one GAINING points. I.E. the point reset. Come on woody. Arguing to argue again?

[king sam]

You seem to have misunderstood my question.
Why is it that they are only given a one month ban? Was it not proven that they are both, rbelgrod and Mageplunka, to be multis using the same computer and ip? If that is the case then they should be perma banned?
As it was mentioned in an earlier post. rbel won all but one of his games against his so-called son.

They weren't busted as multies, they were Blocked due to the Secret Diplomacy they had and a point reset was done due to the large amount of points that were gained via this Diplomacy and Thrown games to the rebel account. Seeing as they were both guilty of this same charge before the next level of punishment was the 1 month ban. They were not found to be multiple accounts.

pi's point is that by point dumping someone WANTS to be at a low score. So the punishment? You disallow him to play for 1 month but get him where he wanted to be.

See Above.
Mage was not given a reset rather just a 1 month vacation and a Block from playing with the other 2.

He's point-dumping, so his punishment is to...reset his points. This doesn't make ANY sense...as he said, it's akin to finding a multi and punishing them by creating more accounts for them.

Mage punishment for these infractions in this case

Found Guilty of Secret Diplomacy with rebl and Babil accounts
Found Guilty of Throwing Games to rebl account
Blocked from playing with rebl and Babil accounts
1 Month Vacation following completion of all Active games

Rebl punishment for these infractions in this case

Found Guilty of Secret Diplomacy with Mage and Babil accounts
Found Guilty of Benefiting from Throwing Games from Mage & Babul accounts
Blocked from playing with Mage and Babil accounts
Point reset given
1 Month Vacation following completion of all Active games

Babil punishment for these infractions in this case

Found Guilty of Secret Diplomacy with rebl and Mage accounts
Found Guilty of Throwing Games to rebl account
Blocked from playing with rebl and Mage accounts
Awaiting further punishment (still pending)

KS

[brian fletcher]

So a test was done and found that none of them were using the same ip?

[VampireM]

rbel and mage are father and son so the ip address could very well be the same at times.. or all the time..

[jpcloet]

You seem to have misunderstood my question.
Why is it that they are only given a one month ban? Was it not proven that they are both, rbelgrod and Mageplunka, to be multis using the same computer and ip? If that is the case then they should be perma banned?
As it was mentioned in an earlier post. rbel won all but one of his games against his so-called son.

They were not proven to be multis to my understanding. It appears they were busted as improper account sitting and account abuse.

[karel]

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=5984747



so what about this game,if they both are banned from playing with each other

[brian fletcher]

Excuse my ignorance here. 2 players are using the same ip and one of those loses all his points to the other one. Yet they are not proven to be multis? This stinks!
It seriously looks to me like "not what you know but who you know."
Like I said in an earlier post.
Ive now lost all respect for the mods!

[Woodruff]

Excuse my ignorance here. 2 players are using the same ip and one of those loses all his points to the other one. Yet they are not proven to be multis? This stinks!
It seriously looks to me like "not what you know but who you know."
Like I said in an earlier post.
Ive now lost all respect for the mods!

I have to agree that it seems to me that this is a VERY CLEAR situation where they either ARE multis (regardless of the father-son claim) or they're VERY CLEARLY ACTING AS the worst kind of multis and should be treated as such.

So the punishment for points dumping is a score reset? How do you punish multis, create a bunch of new accounts for them?

Why has this point been ignored?

I didnt see this point, nor do I understand the question.

He's point-dumping, so his punishment is to...reset his points. This doesn't make ANY sense...as he said, it's akin to finding a multi and punishing them by creating more accounts for them.

rbelgrod was the one GAINING points. I.E. the point reset. Come on woody. Arguing to argue again?

You're missing the point, jefjef...as was stated by king sam:

Its all stated in the guidelines, excessive abuse from dumping points or gaining them through the throwing of games or secret diplomacies will result in a point reset seeing as the points gained were illegally gained.

This states that the punishment for point-dumping is a point reset. This makes no sense at all.

[king sam]

Excuse my ignorance here. 2 players are using the same ip and one of those loses all his points to the other one. Yet they are not proven to be multis? This stinks!
It seriously looks to me like "not what you know but who you know."
Like I said in an earlier post.
Ive now lost all respect for the mods!

I have to agree that it seems to me that this is a VERY CLEAR situation where they either ARE multis (regardless of the father-son claim) or they're VERY CLEARLY ACTING AS the worst kind of multis and should be treated as such.
This states that the punishment for point-dumping is a point reset. This makes no sense at all.

Woody you are arguing to argue here. You have been a frequent poster in the C&A forum for quite sometime so you of all people should know that just cause someone shares an IP address doesn't make them multis. There are things that are checked that are beyond you that help to conclusively determine if an account is a multiple account or not. These 2 accounts had an IP scan and were not even on the same address, nor gave any tell tale evidence for us to determine at this time that they were in fact just one account.

No where has a mod came in here and said they were the same IP. No where in this thread has a mod came in here and said they were guilty of being a multiple account. Its pretty easy to determine what has happened in this case, seeing as my last post I clearly defined what each user was found guilty of and what punishments they incurred.

Mage did not receive a point reset for dumping points.
Mage did not receive a point reset for dumping points.
Said it twice for the hard of hearing.
He received a Block from playing with the 2 other players and a 1 month Vacation, both of which are effective as soon as all the Active games these players are in are finished.
Also said above.
Rebl received a point reset, a Block from playing with the other 2, and a 1 month Vacation, also effective after the completion of all Active games.
Babil received a Block from playing with the other 2 and is still pending further punishment.

That's the ruling. It clearly states the measures we took in the community guidelines as well as many times in this thread.

If you have further questions on this read over the guidelines or this thread.

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