Juventino - Ratings Abuse [warned]

[juventino]

You're the one making up those numbers...also I am referring to mainly 1v1 games, and especially when they are freestyles.

I have played almost 1400 1vs1 freestyles games. Not sure how often i win and lose. But i would think it is around 30% if the times when i lose. Perhaps 90% of my games are 1vs1 games nowadays..

[apb23]

Look at your recent ratings...I was juts looking through them...your 1s for Witt were extremely unfair (this is just 1 example, there are so many of them 2 look thru).

[juventino]

Look at your recent ratings...I was juts looking through them...your 1s for Witt were extremely unfair (this is just 1 example, there are so many of them 2 look thru).

No. it wasnt unfair I told him in the gamechat I would rate him badly even if is not easily seen why if you only look in the gamechat. I could have changed it after the second game though. But i dont think it is a crime to forget to upgrade an earlier rating. I have 66 ratings. 17 of those is bad ratings when i have lost..

[apb23]

Your ratings for shankdigs were also extremely unfair. Unlike you and your repepitive excuses, I can bring up new, unfair ratings all day.

[juventino]

It is not so easy to make a good calculation about my good ratings...

but lets try. My high ratings are 12. Of those Have i won 3 and lost 4. 5 are draw or undecided

So it is win-draw-loss. 3-5-4. I admit there are to few to make something statistically safe. But I have more bad ratings then good when i win.

When i lose. I have more good ratings then bad ones.

[juventino]

Your ratings for shankdigs were also extremely unfair. Unlike you and your repepitive excuses, I can bring up new, unfair ratings all day.

Please do.. I have all night. I am at work doing nothing..

[apb23]

Well, it depends, what is your definition of a bad rating? I do not consider 1 3 and then 2s and 1s a good rating. A 3 is an average rating, so a good rating would have to be 4 or higher.

[juventino]

Your ratings for shankdigs were also extremely unfair. Unlike you and your repepitive excuses, I can bring up new, unfair ratings all day.

Well. If you look at the game and nothing more. Sure. It looks unfair. I admit to that.

[apb23]

Did he Pm or contact you other than that? If he did, could you take a screenshot of it please?

[juventino]

Did he Pm or contact you other than that? If he did, could you take a screenshot of it please?

First of all. A PM is a PM. and should be kept private. If someone wants to make a point that everyone can see they can post on the wall.

I dont want to put PM's in the forum on public display.

[apb23]

If you strongly believed that showing these PMs would help your case, as they would have to be substantially significant, than you would post them or foward them 2 a mod, as some people have done in the past. This is probably just another excuse that is going nowhere.

[juventino]

If you strongly believed that showing these PMs would help your case, as they would have to be substantially significant, than you would post them or foward them 2 a mod, as some people have done in the past. This is probably just another excuse that is going nowhere.

could you please answer me one question?

Lets forget the numbers. But to you think i have lost more then 20 1v1 games?
I am not sure of how many i have lost.

In all my games i have lost. How come I only give bad ratings, without reason in the game itself, in at the highest 10 cases?

How about all the other 100's of games i have lost? Why dont i rate bad in those?

What do you think, honestly? I am only curious to know

[apb23]

Because (as you said before, only contradicting yourself now) you have given 67 ratings. And by looking at your recent ratings, all of them are bad, and there is nothing substantial said in the gamechat or anything. It seems (as by your other threat about me), that you are just a very vindictive player, as shown by your ratings.

[juventino]

Because (as you said before, only contradicting yourself now) you have given 67 ratings. And by looking at your recent ratings, all of them are bad, and there is nothing substantial said in the gamechat or anything. It seems (as by your other threat about me), that you are just a very vindictive player, as shown by your ratings.

How do I contradict myself? Not all of my ratings are low. I have tried to say it many times.. It doesnt always show in the gamechat..


Please answer my question above.... Cant you?

[apb23]

You have more than 1...you need to specify...also, almost all of your recent and somewhat recent ratings are low, and whenever I ask for explaining you give the same b.s. reason and when I ask for proof you show me nothing.

[juventino]

You have more than 1...you need to specify...also, almost all of your recent and somewhat recent ratings are low, and whenever I ask for explaining you give the same b.s. reason and when I ask for proof you show me nothing.

My question was. Lets say i have 10 games with not so easily shown bad ratings in games i have lost.

I still have perhaps another 200 games i have lost. Why dont i rate in these 200 games and only these 10 games?

[apb23]

Already answered in other thread.

[Robinette]

What?

Is this at an end?
Is the jury still deliberating?



lol... but seriously, I think juv presented a good defense.

[juventino]

What?

Is this at an end?
Is the jury still deliberating?



lol... but seriously, I think juv presented a good defense.

Thanks.. I havent been working now for 2 days on lets be honest. This is something I should put my focus on at my work and not spare time.

Well....


The person who gave me a warning said people dont give ratings based upon the live chat. Well I do. I also give rating based upon the wall and PM.

If i talk with someone in the Live chat, lets say we have an agreement to play the game in a certain way, he doesnt keep his or hers word from the chat without an explanation. I will rate this person no matter if the game by it self doesnt show my reason for it.

In my example i will rate this person for:
1) bad fair play
2) for me it becomes a very boring game hence a low rating in gameplay
3) Hit attitude of not explaining why he didnt keep his word.

I have also left rating based upon messages on the wall or in a PM. This altough doesnt affect the fair play rating..

I do not, as stated in the accusation, only give out bad ratings when I lose

I have given out bad rating in 43 cases

18 of them were in cases i won, 17 in games I lost and 8 in games that were drawn.

On the other hand I have more bad ratings then good ratings when I win. So the reason(s) for the ratings is not weather i win or lose.

I have played perhaps around 1000 games since the ratings begun. I have given out ratings in 70 of those cases (i accidentdly erased some, even a 5-5-5 rating and a 5-0-5 in my try to figure out some old ratings)

I give out ratings after around 7% of my games. Is this systamitical?

I have given out bad ratings after less then 4% of my games. How come this is abusive?

I have lost perhaps 300 games without leaving a rating. I have won perhaps 700 games without leaving a rating

Yes, i do agree some reason might not be easily seen in the game by itself. But it is in 8 cases, stated by the person who judged me.

8 cases out of 70.

And 8 cases out of 1000.

I wonder one thing. These 8 cases out of 1000. Why did i leave them bad ratings? Do I have an evil masterplan to ruin the CC stay for these 8 people. Have I played almost 2000 games against perhaps 4000 opponents just in order to give these 8 bad ratings? In all the games I have lost, why didnt I leave a bad rating for those players?

I am sorry, it seems i was wondering alot of things.

I have given you my answer. Things outside the game itself do lead to bad or good rating for me.

I have one example for a good rating: We have an agreement to play a rt game. He bails without a word. Then writes me a PM that he had to go but he will wait for me in order to keep playing RT. No word what so ever in the gamechat. I will leave this player a 5 rating even if I cannot prove my reason in the game itself.

[alster]

Yes - behavior and actions outside the game, whether in the live chat, through PMs, on walls or in the forums, certainly can - and should - be a basis when rating if the behavior or action in questions are directly related to one or more games. Also, what people may tend to forget, is that the ratings after a while covers more than one specific game. When you played people a couple of time, it's the overall experience that counts, not any individual game.

[juventino]

Yes - behavior and actions outside the game, whether in the live chat, through PMs, on walls or in the forums, certainly can - and should - be a basis when rating if the behavior or action in questions are directly related to one or more games. Also, what people may tend to forget, is that the ratings after a while covers more than one specific game. When you played people a couple of time, it's the overall experience that counts, not any individual game.

I think so too. But the mod who both warned me and gave me the second answer stats that:

People give ratings based from the game played, not from an interaction in the forum or in Live chat.

Second. It was from the same mod/hunter that game me the warning although it says:

If you would like to appeal the decision of the hunter... the case will be looked into by a second hunter.

[apb23]

What that hunter is saying is that you shouldn't have a grudge against someone in the forum or live chat. I am pretty sure that you already knew this, but the live chat is not the game chat, the live chat is on the interaction menu and not the game. I think that the hunter who warned you was right in saying this, unless you agree to RT in the live chat, but besides not playing RT when its agreed on shouldn't result in 3 1s, but maybe 1 or 2.

[juventino]

What that hunter is saying is that you shouldn't have a grudge against someone in the forum or live chat. I am pretty sure that you already knew this, but the live chat is not the game chat, the live chat is on the interaction menu and not the game. I think that the hunter who warned you was right in saying this, unless you agree to RT in the live chat, but besides not playing RT when its agreed on shouldn't result in 3 1s, but maybe 1 or 2.

According to judge, jury and even court of appeal it is not allowed to give ratings based upon things outside of the game. If that is the rule so lets be. I would although like to have a proper appeal.

And second. If we have an agreement to play an rt and it doesnt become one I will understand something can happen in the real world but I dislike it when I dont here nothing and i would like an explanation and thus will keep rate 1-1-1 in these cases even if it leads to another warning or ban.

And even if this hunter says it is not allowed to rate because of things outside of the game: I will keep doing it.

[juventino]

According to judge, jury and even court of appeal

This ís the same person.

[Robinette]

According to judge, jury and even court of appeal

This ís the same person.

Does this translate?