anonymousguy54 and Heart of Space ... [noted]

[army of nobunaga]

I seriously disagree with Kotaro. My best friend plays on this site and I would NEVER play in a competitive (public) game with him...however fun it might be. The simple fact, is that I would rather see him win, than any other player in the game if I can't find the win myself.

No idea if the two accused are actually cheating (though playing fog games is suggestive), but I would also say that they really shouldn't play these kinds of games together. Just because it isn't against the rules of CC, doesn't mean that it isn't against the rules of sportsmanship.

Thanks for your opinion, but it's still not a rule. And "suggesting" cheating and "cheating" are two very different things. All you've proven is that YOU can't be trusted to play games with your friends. I play against my friends all the time, in random games, whenever we happen to find one where we're interested in fighting; just because you can't be trusted, doesn't mean others of us can't.

Well, I'm not sure I have proven anything with regards to my own moral conduct either way. Beyond that however, consider two points: 1. Assume an 8 man public game with 4 real life friends involved. This fact changes the nature of the board. Shouldn't the other 4 players be at least aware of the unusual nature of that board? I believe so. Should they know about it before the game begins? I believe that too. Do you and your friends announce the fact? 2. As a keen student of human nature, I do believe that friendship has an influence over play on a Risk board. Maybe two friends are more likely to kill each other rather than less, but the simple fact is that in either case the very balance of the board has be changed.

There is no rule about this and I would think such a rule would be impossible to enforce anyway. Nonetheless, if your opponents are unwittingly playing in games where they don't have all the facts available to them with regards to the composition of the board, then that is not right. Rule or no rule.

EXACTLY... my first statement in that game i noted was " I don't even want to play this game now" ... I dont know if they are cheaters or not... But if i had known they were lifelong damn friends in a fogged terminator game and play like that all the time, I would have rather not played... that is why this is posted here, so maybe others can get the info I wish I have had sooner.

[army of nobunaga]

As for the assassin game you pointed out, mistakes happen, --- none of those players have ever suspected me of cheating.

So you are going on record as saying this is the only such "mistake" that can be found where one of you accidentally helped their life log friend out? Just a yes or no man... this is the only "accidental" click that just randomly mistakenly helps out you or your buddy?

[army of nobunaga]

and btw .. i have actually LOST COUNT of how many terminator games in which you and your friend are the last two left.. even against some of the best in the game at that map like LFAW. ... Try counting the times.. its uncanny, you two are really something to be able to eliminate the board with just the two of you left without cheating, two very very very good players, hats off to you majors.

[Heart of Space]

Yeah, I'll go on record and say that's the only time that set of conditions has come up. I just looked it up. I've only played 3 assassin games with him. Now, what I'm not willing to say is that I've never made a tactical error that's helped him out or vice versa. What I am willing to say is, I don't try to make tactical errors, and when I do, I don't make them with some intended slant in his favor. I've been trying to raise my rank FOREVER and I wouldn't give up perfectly good points to help him out, particularly when he doesn't need my help to begin with. When I make errors, they benefit who they benefit, which is utterly beyond any control I could exert in a fog of war game anyway. So as to your specific question, I made a n00b move in that game, but it wasn't intentional. I've played enough of those bloody ass doodles to know how frustrating it is when players do something like throw the game in favor of the high-ranked guy, so I wouldn't mess with it like that. That's just no fun anyway.

[Kotaro]

EXACTLY... my first statement in that game i noted was " I don't even want to play this game now" ... I dont know if they are cheaters or not... But if i had known they were lifelong damn friends in a fogged terminator game and play like that all the time, I would have rather not played... that is why this is posted here, so maybe others can get the info I wish I have had sooner.

People are also unaware that you randomly accuse them of cheating, despite that fact that there's a large, bolded "MAKE SURE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN BEFORE POSTING", in the template, after you play them. I believe people have the right to know that they'll be wrongly accused of cheating for joining your game 90% of the time.

[Heart of Space]

and btw .. i have actually LOST COUNT of how many terminator games in which you and your friend are the last two left.. even against some of the best in the game at that map like LFAW. ... Try counting the times.. its uncanny, you two are really something to be able to eliminate the board with just the two of you left without cheating, two very very very good players, hats off to you majors.

I don't know what to say. When you play the same map and type of game pretty much exclusively, you tend to get pretty good at it. You can tell through a combination of who has villages, how many territories they had to conquer to get there, the bonus people do or do not get from trading in, etc where people are after a while. I sit back in my hidey hole building until I can tell where someone is, wait until I can get a midturn trade in for killing them, and then make a go at it. Under this equilibrium, there are two reasons why I'd be unlikely to attack him first. One, he pretty much does the same thing, so I'd have to bust through his neutrals to get to him, and two, if he does go out for a village, he does so right after he's traded in to minimize his card value. On an entirely separate level, regardless of who's in the game, if there's a major or a colonel or someone higher ranked and a bunch of lesser ranked players, I always try to find the little guys first, because if I were to go out and run piecemeal into another higher ranked player, who is more likely to have preserved a large army, I would weaken myself substantially, probably get eliminated by the lower ranked player, and lose points in the deal. If I kill a bunch of players and then get eliminated by a major however, I come out ahead. I just consider all of this good business, but what it leads to is an equilibrium where I'm less likely to go after him early in games, as we are often the only majors, without having any specific cheating intent.

[army of nobunaga]

EXACTLY... my first statement in that game i noted was " I don't even want to play this game now" ... I dont know if they are cheaters or not... But if i had known they were lifelong damn friends in a fogged terminator game and play like that all the time, I would have rather not played... that is why this is posted here, so maybe others can get the info I wish I have had sooner.

People are also unaware that you randomly accuse them of cheating, despite that fact that there's a large, bolded "MAKE SURE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN BEFORE POSTING", in the template, after you play them. I believe people have the right to know that they'll be wrongly accused of cheating for joining your game 90% of the time.

I am absolutely certain that a majority of players will not play these guys in their fogged terminator games if they read this first.

[delboy01]

The singles games were mostly months ago when be we both (me for the second time) purchased premium and were messing around with speed games when we were bored. As for the assassin game you pointed out, mistakes happen, especially when you're fumbling around with those goddamned dropdown menus I was using before I got clickable maps. Again, I've played in hundreds of assassin games in my CC career, and none of those players have ever suspected me of cheating. This is also why, in the one game you mentioned, none of those players saw fit to report me. I play to win, and by and large the people who play with me know that. When your sample size is literally hundreds of games, for ANY player you can sift through all of their game logs, and find something to support any crackpot theory you can come up with. In the laughable absence of evidence in this situation, such innuendo can take on a life of it's own. We don't deserve to be punished just because some dude can come up with a plausible theory of abuse, especially not when the theory to the contrary is every bit as if not more plausible.

Re. The assassin, I'm sorry but that is utter crap. You forted twice, both times on usa so that you would be sure to take out greenland for your mate. At almost the same time he attacked the other one. You did not attack your own target at all. You must have known that you were not going for your own target, it's not rocket science!!! And why fort 6 armies to a place with 3 on it already and then attack someone elses target?

The admins will look into this and will make up their own minds but with all the other games this one just sugar coats it really.

[king achilles]

Friends are allowed to play with or against each other. In this case, it looks Heart of Space is telling the truth. However, game 4151066 is still noted. If we receive another report with strong evidence that you two are involved, we will consider blocking Heart of Space and anonymousguy54 for suspicious game plays.