lespaulstudio and boboson [settled]

[shanksdigs]

Those of you that survive this fiasco should just play private games, if you want to play each other. Then there is no chance of playing unfairly against an unsuspecting player.

And that is what this is...a fiasco.

Why would they be this concerned about their accounts if they all just started playing within the last month? This is an extravagant attempt by one person to cover for his/her multiple accounts. He/She admitted to other wrongdoing (taking turns for other players) and ended up self-incriminating for the whole she-bang.

His/Her attempts to cover up for the appearance of being multis in the game chat by mentioning that he/she communicated with the other player asking him/her to avoid attacking me (shanksdigs) so often. This is evidence of secret diplomacy. This communication should have taken place in the game chat, not in the "bedroom" where the only computer in the neighborhood is located.

So we have mutiple players logging in from and using the same IP, players admitting to taking turns for other players, and players admitting to secret diplomacy.

Can some admin, moderator, or multi hunter PLEASE delete their accounts and block their IP? This is such an obvious case of abuse I cannot fathom why lack would want this to take place on his site.

[astronautg117]

Those of you that survive this fiasco should just play private games, if you want to play each other. Then there is no chance of playing unfairly against an unsuspecting player.

And that is what this is...a fiasco.

Why would they be this concerned about their accounts if they all just started playing within the last month? This is an extravagant attempt by one person to cover for his/her multiple accounts. He/She admitted to other wrongdoing (taking turns for other players) and ended up self-incriminating for the whole she-bang.

His/Her attempts to cover up for the appearance of being multis in the game chat by mentioning that he/she communicated with the other player asking him/her to avoid attacking me (shanksdigs) so often. This is evidence of secret diplomacy. This communication should have taken place in the game chat, not in the "bedroom" where the only computer in the neighborhood is located.

So we have mutiple players logging in from and using the same IP, players admitting to taking turns for other players, and players admitting to secret diplomacy.

Can some admin, moderator, or multi hunter PLEASE delete their accounts and block their IP? This is such an obvious case of abuse I cannot fathom why lack would want this to take place on his site.

Wow your thick. Just take a look at one game: Game 4373265
Now who in their right mind would put all the time and effort of logging in and out just to make it look like the five of us were talking to each other? Would the moderators please note that the 5 of us have different IP's? Just look at the game chat.

[shanksdigs]

if you look down at the bottom of the page, youll see that astronautg117, lespaulstudio, and i are all online at the same time. btw

Hey, his/her neighborhood got two new computers at the public library. The rest of us reading this thread should make sure to log in tomorrow night at 7:31pm when he/she will log in from home, ride his/her bike to the library, log in on both computers there, then call Hamilton Peck, Howlin' Mad Murdoch, and BA Baracus to ask them to log in for his/her other accounts. While he's at it, he should ask Angela Lansbury, Magnum PI, and the Knight Rider to create some accounts and prove that he/she exists and really isn't just one person.

[astronautg117]

if you look down at the bottom of the page, youll see that astronautg117, lespaulstudio, and i are all online at the same time. btw

Hey, his/her neighborhood got two new computers at the public library. The rest of us reading this thread should make sure to log in tomorrow night at 7:31pm when he/she will log in from home, ride his/her bike to the library, log in on both computers there, then call Hamilton Peck, Howlin' Mad Murdoch, and BA Baracus to ask them to log in for his/her other accounts. While he's at it, he should ask Angela Lansbury, Magnum PI, and the Knight Rider to create some accounts and prove that he/she exists and really isn't just one person.

Oh and now he's making up worlds where someone has the time and effort to do that.

[shanksdigs]

Oh and now he's making up worlds where someone has the time and effort to do that.

I think you should be banned for lacking a sense of humor.

[astronautg117]

Oh and now he's making up worlds where someone has the time and effort to do that.

I think you should be banned for lacking a sense of humor.

So you get a kick by taking someone's account away? Nice... Don't get enough of a thrill locked up playing CC all day?

[Kotaro]

Why would they be this concerned about their accounts if they all just started playing within the last month? This is an extravagant attempt by one person to cover for his/her multiple accounts. He/She admitted to other wrongdoing (taking turns for other players) and ended up self-incriminating for the whole she-bang.

Because they like their accounts and want to continue playing? Crazy how people get when they're wrongly accused of being multi's. I wonder if you got accused of being a multi and weren't, if you'd just roll over and take it.

[shanksdigs]

Oh and now he's making up worlds where someone has the time and effort to do that.

I think you should be banned for lacking a sense of humor.

So you get a kick by taking someone's account away? Nice... Don't get enough of a thrill locked up playing CC all day?

No, I don't get a kick out of taking someone's account away. First, I'm not taking someone's account away, that's up to the admins. Second, I do get a kick out of getting another cheater off of this site. Your "friend" isn't just someone. Your "friend" is a cheater and certainly could be you. If you are, I don't care what you do with your time. I care about being able to play games on this site without having to be concerned that some ding dong is on here to artificially pump up his/her self esteem by illegally stacking the deck in games where I am a participant.

And, let's be clear. Boboson and Lespaulstudio were cheating in the game with me. The moderators saw it, the multi hunters saw it, and at least one other concerned player noticed it. All other commentary on this thread by players other than those involved is intended to distract attention from that fact.

[shanksdigs]

Why would they be this concerned about their accounts if they all just started playing within the last month? This is an extravagant attempt by one person to cover for his/her multiple accounts. He/She admitted to other wrongdoing (taking turns for other players) and ended up self-incriminating for the whole she-bang.

Because they like their accounts and want to continue playing? Crazy how people get when they're wrongly accused of being multi's. I wonder if you got accused of being a multi and weren't, if you'd just roll over and take it.

If I was to be so stupid as to join multi-player, non-team games with players I know in the real world or have met on CC and then failed to disclose my relationships, potential allegiances, and biases in favor of those players to the unknowns in the game chat, I would welcome you or any other premium member calling me out on it. I've played what, close to 3,000 games? Find one game where I played in a multi-player, non-team game with a player who was also my teammate in a team game. Now look at the game log for the players in this discussion. How many of their games include multi-player, non-team games where at least one of their opponents is a player they have played with in a team game and/or failed to communicate their secret diplomacy????

These players have admitted to cheating, why would you stick your neck out for them?

[Kotaro]

If I was to be so stupid as to join multi-player, non-team games with players I know in the real world or have met on CC and then failed to disclose my relationships, potential allegiances, and biases in favor of those players to the unknowns in the game chat, I would welcome you or any other premium member calling me out on it. I've played what, close to 3,000 games? Find one game where I played in a multi-player, non-team game with a player who was also my teammate in a team game. Now look at the game log for the players in this discussion. How many of their games include multi-player, non-team games where at least one of their opponents is a player they have played with in a team game and/or failed to communicate their secret diplomacy????

These players have admitted to cheating, why would you stick your neck out for them?

I'm sorry, perhaps you can quote to me where in the rules it says "If you know this person, you MUST say it in Game Chat or you're banned".

They've admitted to taking each others turns one after another, on the same and ONLY computer in the household, and the other guy has admitted to taking turns when one of them forgets/can't. While noble, not the worst offense in the history of this game.

[shanksdigs]

I'm sorry, perhaps you can quote to me where in the rules it says "If you know this person, you MUST say it in Game Chat or you're banned".

They've admitted to taking each others turns one after another, on the same and ONLY computer in the household, and the other guy has admitted to taking turns when one of them forgets/can't. While noble, not the worst offense in the history of this game.

Kotaro, yep, it is fair that point out that no one is required to point out whether or not they know someone in the game. It certainly isn't against the rules.

What you don't know is that they have been covering up the proof of their cheating. One example follows, but I can provide more from the game I played against them:

On one of boboson's turns, lespaulstudio held two bonuses, boboson held Africa. Boboson deployed to my border and attacked my substantial army there. Boboson had enough armies to break both of lespaulstudio's (red) bonuses and therefore level the playing field in the game. Instead, as mentioned, Boboson attacked my army, and attacked no reds and had no way to attack any red's based on boboson's deploy.

There were token attacks towards lespaulstudio on other turns, but no attempts to break lespaulstudio. Those token attacks twoards lespaulstudio only generated a bonus of Africa for boboson. Similarly, lespaulstudio waited until the end of the game to break boboson's bonus. Lespaul's token attacks against boboson resulted in bonuses for Lespaul.

It was clear to me, to the moderators, and to the multi hunters that the two of them were cheating. My attempt to describe the game log for you is only an attempt to help you understand. If you don't, I don't care. This case hase been closed and I'm sorry you are trying to support these cheaters.

[Kotaro]

Kotaro, yep, it is fair that point out that no one is required to point out whether or not they know someone in the game. It certainly isn't against the rules.

What you don't know is that they have been covering up the proof of their cheating. One example follows, but I can provide more from the game I played against them:

On one of boboson's turns, lespaulstudio held two bonuses, boboson held Africa. Boboson deployed to my border and attacked my substantial army there. Boboson had enough armies to break both of lespaulstudio's (red) bonuses and therefore level the playing field in the game. Instead, as mentioned, Boboson attacked my army, and attacked no reds and had no way to attack any red's based on boboson's deploy.

There were token attacks towards lespaulstudio on other turns, but no attempts to break lespaulstudio. Those token attacks twoards lespaulstudio only generated a bonus of Africa for boboson. Similarly, lespaulstudio waited until the end of the game to break boboson's bonus. Lespaul's token attacks against boboson resulted in bonuses for Lespaul.

It was clear to me, to the moderators, and to the multi hunters that the two of them were cheating. My attempt to describe the game log for you is only an attempt to help you understand. If you don't, I don't care. This case hase been closed and I'm sorry you are trying to support these cheaters.

Yes, they were cheating. A bit of secret diplomacy, whether intentional or not, did happen. However, my point still remains, that they are (most likely) not multi's. A block should be put in place, yes. A ban? What will that help?

[shanksdigs]

Yes, they were cheating. A bit of secret diplomacy, whether intentional or not, did happen. However, my point still remains, that they are (most likely) not multi's. A block should be put in place, yes. A ban? What will that help?

In this and all other ban and blocked cases, the player can create a new email address and create a new account with that new email address. I'm not one to challenge the punishment, especially if a ban is enough to stop other players from attempting the same. And, again, they ALL can create a new email address and create a new account on here, so....good luck to them!

[Kotaro]

In this and all other ban and blocked cases, the player can create a new email address and create a new account with that new email address. I'm not one to challenge the punishment, especially if a ban is enough to stop other players from attempting the same. And, again, they ALL can create a new email address and create a new account on here, so....good luck to them!

That's... brilliant. Can't overturn a ban? Multi up!

Arguing with you was fun up to this point. Sorry, but it's obvious that your argument is weak when you start promoting multiple accounts.

[king achilles]

astronautg117, you have already made several posts and also sent an eTicket about this report. We will review this once again and will reply to that eTicket when we have finished re-evaluating this case.

[king sam]

astronautg117, you have already made several posts and also sent an eTicket about this report. We will review this once again and will reply to that eTicket when we have finished re-evaluating this case.

I suggest all particpants that have posted in this forum stop now and let the admin department do their thing.

Its getting pretty close to flaming in here, and the thread will be locked if it gets to that point.

Obviously the excuses made in here will take some time for the hunters to go back and look at. So be patient.

In the future the best thing to do is to submit an E-ticket with your complaint.

Best of Luck
King Sam