[Abandoned] - The Hamptons

by **the.killing.44** on Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:31 pm

shakeycat wrote:Sailorseal, what is that strip of well-occupied land northwest of The Hamptons, the one faded out on the map?

That's the North Fork of Long Island.

.44

by **sailorseal** on Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:27 pm

It is not the Hamptons it's the wanna be Hamptons. It is, along with the middle of Long Island where people who want to go to the Hamptons but can't go.

by **LED ZEPPELINER** on Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:31 pm

sailorseal wrote:It is not the Hamptons it's the wanna be Hamptons. It is, along with the middle of Long Island where people who want to go to the Hamptons but can't go.

nobody cares about that, that bit of info isn't going to help the map. you need more territories, and although you may not like long island, you its your only choice

by **sailorseal** on Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:14 pm

There are other options to increase territs.

by **sailorseal** on Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:59 pm

What if we kill the image of the North Fork and put some boats up there?

by **NemesisChild** on Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:09 pm

Sailor

I have been watching this map for a little while and as a first time cartographer myself (after 3 failed maps) have been holding my tongue a bit. but!

1. 22 territs never gonna work(IMO), adding a few more boats isn't going to work either (8 players 22 terits ... do the math). the area just doesn't seem like it will work as a map
2. The huge improvement of graphics( and well done on this) in the last version still leaves me cold, it doesn't offer anything new, there is no originatility here
3. haven't seen anything in the way of xml, you need to provide that soon

Such a small map needs a gimmick / theme to make it interesting.
Don't want to discourage but look at what you've got versus whats in the game and upcoming and have a good think about what is required

Nem

by **the.killing.44** on Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:12 pm

NemesisChild wrote:Sailor

I have been watching this map for a little while and as a first time cartographer myself (after 3 failed maps) have been holding my tongue a bit. but!

1. 22 territs never gonna work(IMO), adding a few more boats isn't going to work either (8 players 22 terits ... do the math). the area just doesn't seem like it will work as a map
2. The huge improvement of graphics( and well done on this) in the last version still leaves me cold, it doesn't offer anything new, there is no originatility here
3. haven't seen anything in the way of xml, you need to provide that soon

Such a small map needs a gimmick / theme to make it interesting.
Don't want to discourage but look at what you've got versus whats in the game and upcoming and have a good think about what is required

Nem

I agree almost on everything, however I disagree on the XML. You don't need that until you're in the main Foundry, or here especially because of the lack of potential (sorry).

.44

by **sailorseal** on Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:32 pm

I will have xml when it is required

by **TaCktiX** on Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:20 pm

NemesisChild wrote:3. haven't seen anything in the way of xml, you need to provide that soon

Wrong. It's suggested that no mapmaker work on the XML until the map has gotten a Graphics stamp, because the positioning of territories, bonuses, continents, and everything are very subject to change until then. While starting the XML so early seems like a good idea, it's a lot of wasted effort that would be better spent hammering out gameplay and graphics.

Sailor, great improvement on the map this past version. I do have to agree with NemesisChild and say that you really need to expand this map out in some meaningful way. If that means dropping the boats, zooming into the Hamptons proper and creating more mainland territories, then do that. I presently feel like the boats are taking away from the overall Hamptons experience you are obviously committed to. Certainly look into it, as I'm sure you can make a major overhaul to your map as your graphics skill increases.

by **sailorseal** on Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:22 pm

Thanks, I will look into that

by **LED ZEPPELINER** on Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:45 am

you need to put the latest version in the first post

by **sailorseal** on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:42 am

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:you need to put the latest version in the first post

It is and has been for a week

by **LED ZEPPELINER** on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:45 am

no it is not, look at shakeycats post on pg 10, it is not the same pic as you have on the first post

by **rjz115dude** on Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:53 am

i think you should try to go for a general theme for your map cuz right now it looks like some colors and ships

by **sailorseal** on Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:37 am

Any suggestions?

by **sailorseal** on Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:12 pm

What if two boats in the corner were added?

by **rjz115dude** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:40 pm

this map isn't very good, i dont like it...you should try to get some type of template on it

by **sailorseal** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:22 pm

rjz115dude wrote:this map isn't very good, i dont like it...you should try to get some type of template on it

Riley your just saying that because Jake dared you to!

by **The Neon Peon** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:25 pm

I would advise to stop focusing on gameplay and fix the graphics.

Gameplay is not really much of a concern in simple and small maps, and the only changes required are 30 second fixes such as changing bonus amounts.

by **Premier2k** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:26 pm

Can you not break up the territories into smaller ones? That would give you more territs. I would sort out more territs before looking at gameplay. The gameplay could change drastically with the introlduction of increased territories.

Premier2k

by **sailorseal** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:28 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:I would advise to stop focusing on gameplay and fix the graphics.

Gameplay is not really much of a concern in simple and small maps, and the only changes required are 30 second fixes such as changing bonus amounts.

What would you suggest?

by **MrBenn** on Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:17 pm

Is this you're latest image?

The things that I would say, are only echoes of what has already been said...

1. The map is small... this in itself is not a problem, but the small-map niche is fairly packed right now, and I'm not convinced there is the need for another one.

2. The graphics, while better than where you started, are still a far distance from that of recently-quenched products. If you think you have what it takes to improve, then I'd suggest finding an idea that has a broader fan-base of appeal, and working on that - unless you can convince me that this idea has wide appeal (the overwhelming majority of the 171 posts so from only a few commentators).