TWILL

[Aradhus]

Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

Yes, it is. Nudity is explicitly banned. Period. End of discussion.

The discussion is Twill abusing the rules and his power, that whole link thing is actually a side issue. and no IT ISN'T covered. Nowhere does it say educational.

That link wasn't even posted, it just happened, by random ass luck, to be a link on the page of the video Dave posted.

Could some of my questions be answered please? Or are you mods just going to try play word games because you know what the reality will be, if we have a rational, reasonable discussion, with truth.

[Kotaro]

The discussion is Twill abusing the rules and his power, that whole link thing is actually a side issue. and no IT ISN'T covered. Nowhere does it say educational.

That link wasn't even posted, it just happened, by random ass luck, to be a link on the page of the video Dave posted.

Could some of my questions be answered please? Or are you mods just going to try play word games because you know what the reality will be, if we have a rational, reasonable discussion, with truth.

You're a dumbass.
ALL NUDITY IS NOT ALLOWED. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? NO NUDITY PERIOD
Stop being a dumbfuck

[DaGip]

DEAR GOD!!! EVERYONE GET A BLOODY LIFE ALREADY AND SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT HOW THE MODERATORS DO THEIR JOBS!!! NONE OF YOU WHO KEEP COMPLAINING WOULD DO ANY BETTER OF A JOB THAN IS ALREADY BEING DONE, SO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE THE HELL ALONG!!!

Mind if I quote this? Well said

Attention Getter!

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

Kotaro, you've been flaming and flaming all night. Please stop flaming out of flame wars...I don't feel like sending any PMs tonight

[gimil]

Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

Yes, it is. Nudity is explicitly banned. Period. End of discussion.

The discussion is Twill abusing the rules and his power, that whole link thing is actually a side issue. and no IT ISN'T covered. Nowhere does it say educational.

That link wasn't even posted, it just happened, by random ass luck, to be a link on the page of the video Dave posted.

Could some of my questions be answered please? Or are you mods just going to try play word games because you know what the reality will be, if we have a rational, reasonable discussion, with truth.

Part of your reasonalbe discussion was in what I jsut posted. Why don't you read that and tell me I am not being resonable and that I am playing word games.

[Aradhus]

You claim that I'm telling a fib about what I saw very clearly linked on YouTube? A hand sticking into a vagina is generally considered to be pornographic. Now, I may be overly conservative, but I'm pretty sure that violates the no porn linked rule.

Hmm......that sounds like nudity as defined in the Community Guidelines. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Twill claimed it was pornography,(stop trying to play word games, and have some integrity) and in fact described it as if it was pornography, to amplify the potential to enforce absurd laws. When it was clealry an educational video - which if Twill watched he must have known, and intentionally worded his posts in such a manner to disguise that it was educational.

Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

So Youtube is now banned completely from ConquerClub, then?

Still - the topic is about Twill abusing rules, which I see has been ignored by the four posts posted by the mods so far.

It's called posting holes in your argument. I'm calling BS on your argument about Twill overstepping the rules about the nudity in the video. That was one of your main points in your original post, and I'm pointing out who your argument was flawed. Flawed arguments hurt your case against Twill.

Educational nudity is nudity with an 11 letter word in front of it. Educational + Nudity = Nudity = broken community guidelines.

And Optimus is my hero.

posting holes? yeah...ok. Ignored Youtube question, didn't even bother with anything else. Clung onto the one lame thing you have, that issue was not one of MY main points, it just happened to be that post by Twill about that issue that I quoted.

So why all the other definitions of nudity? why not just have nothing sexual and no nudity?

yeah, exactly, great hole you "posted".

[gimil]

Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

Yes, it is. Nudity is explicitly banned. Period. End of discussion.

The discussion is Twill abusing the rules and his power, that whole link thing is actually a side issue. and no IT ISN'T covered. Nowhere does it say educational.

That link wasn't even posted, it just happened, by random ass luck, to be a link on the page of the video Dave posted.

Could some of my questions be answered please? Or are you mods just going to try play word games because you know what the reality will be, if we have a rational, reasonable discussion, with truth.

Part of your reasonalbe discussion was in what I jsut posted. Why don't you read that and tell me I am not being resonable and that I am playing word games.

Just in case you missed it Aradhus

[hecter]

Dude, I hate the mods as much as the next guy, but seriously, are you high? The guidelines are pretty clear on this area.

Nudity and sexual material are not allowed.

Any images or textual descriptions of sexual activity or nudity - nipples, areola, genitals, anuses etc - whether intended as artistic, erotic, pornographic or otherwise are not allowed.

Better?

[jnd94]

I don't want this to be misconstrued as flaming, but I feel like i need to say something:

Everyone whining: Lack owns the site, and he runs it, and he doesn't want porn. So don't try and find loopholes or get pissed off at the mods when you get in trouble for posting a type of porn that hasn't been detailed in the rules section. If you want to post porn there are plenty of websites for that other than here.

Stephen Wayne: Go take your teenage anger elsewhere. If you were in a position of leadership I would love to see you do better.

Kotaro: Please stop kissing ass in EVERY SINGLE THREAD. Twill is right and Twill is also, believe it or not, wrong sometimes.

[Aradhus]

Educational nudity is not covered in your guidlines.

Yes, it is. Nudity is explicitly banned. Period. End of discussion.

The discussion is Twill abusing the rules and his power, that whole link thing is actually a side issue. and no IT ISN'T covered. Nowhere does it say educational.

That link wasn't even posted, it just happened, by random ass luck, to be a link on the page of the video Dave posted.

Could some of my questions be answered please? Or are you mods just going to try play word games because you know what the reality will be, if we have a rational, reasonable discussion, with truth.

Part of your reasonalbe discussion was in what I jsut posted. Why don't you read that and tell me I am not being resonable and that I am playing word games.

Just in case you missed it Aradhus

Did you read the first post in this topic? The original post?

I've been flamed how many times in this topic now?

Twill responded to me by lying, mocking, and baiting me.
I responding by making my first flame post.
I was banned.

[Aradhus]

I don't want this to be misconstrued as flaming, but I feel like i need to say something:

Everyone whining: Lack owns the site, and he runs it, and he doesn't want porn. So don't try and find loopholes or get pissed off at the mods when you get in trouble for posting a type of porn that hasn't been detailed in the rules section. If you want to post porn there are plenty of websites for that other than here.

That is not what happened, and is not the case. The mods are trying to take their rules and enforce them to the extreme.

[jnd94]

I don't want this to be misconstrued as flaming, but I feel like i need to say something:

Everyone whining: Lack owns the site, and he runs it, and he doesn't want porn. So don't try and find loopholes or get pissed off at the mods when you get in trouble for posting a type of porn that hasn't been detailed in the rules section. If you want to post porn there are plenty of websites for that other than here.

That is not what happened, and is not the case. The mods are trying to take their rules and enforce them to the extreme.

And Im telling you, if it such a big deal for you to post porn, than maybe you shouldn't be on this site. Deal with it. I'm sure there are more constructive things to do than whine about not getting able to post porn.

[Aradhus]

Dude, I hate the mods as much as the next guy, but seriously, are you high? The guidelines are pretty clear on this area.

Nudity and sexual material are not allowed.

Any images or textual descriptions of sexual activity or nudity - nipples, areola, genitals, anuses etc - whether intended as artistic, erotic, pornographic or otherwise are not allowed.

Better?

Hecter, in court, my case would win, easily. I'm pretty pos there are lawyers as members, one could easily confirm it.

[hecter]

Dude, I hate the mods as much as the next guy, but seriously, are you high? The guidelines are pretty clear on this area.

Nudity and sexual material are not allowed.

Any images or textual descriptions of sexual activity or nudity - nipples, areola, genitals, anuses etc - whether intended as artistic, erotic, pornographic or otherwise are not allowed.

Better?

Hecter, in court, my case would win, easily. I'm pretty pos there are lawyers as members, one could easily confirm it.

If you say so, but that was a vagina on that page, and vagina's count as nudity, which the guidelines say are bad, so...

[Aradhus]

I don't want this to be misconstrued as flaming, but I feel like i need to say something:

Everyone whining: Lack owns the site, and he runs it, and he doesn't want porn. So don't try and find loopholes or get pissed off at the mods when you get in trouble for posting a type of porn that hasn't been detailed in the rules section. If you want to post porn there are plenty of websites for that other than here.

That is not what happened, and is not the case. The mods are trying to take their rules and enforce them to the extreme.

And Im telling you, if it such a big deal for you to post porn, than maybe you shouldn't be on this site. Deal with it. I'm sure there are more constructive things to do than whine about not getting able to post porn.

What the fck are you talking about? Read the whole topic before you comment like this and make a bigger ass of youself. I didn't post porn, nobody did. I have no intention of posting porn. I don't even watch porn. Jesus christ.

[timmytuttut88]

Dude, I hate the mods as much as the next guy, but seriously, are you high? The guidelines are pretty clear on this area.

Nudity and sexual material are not allowed.

Any images or textual descriptions of sexual activity or nudity - nipples, areola, genitals, anuses etc - whether intended as artistic, erotic, pornographic or otherwise are not allowed.

Better?

Yeah, even I can understand where the mods are coming from. There's a link on that page that leads to a vagina. Nudity is nudity...

DEAR GOD!!! EVERYONE GET A BLOODY LIFE ALREADY AND SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT HOW THE MODERATORS DO THEIR JOBS!!! NONE OF YOU WHO KEEP COMPLAINING WOULD DO ANY BETTER OF A JOB THAN IS ALREADY BEING DONE, SO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE THE HELL ALONG!!!

And i'm glad Optimus Prime had something intelligent he wanted to add to the conversation. You know people don't always like what you say, but they never give you credit for the color and size you make your font.

[gimil]

Did you read the first post in this topic? The original post?

I've been flamed how many times in this topic now?

Twill responded to me by lying, mocking, and baiting me.
I responding by making my first flame post.
I was banned.

Your one little instant is jsut a part of every other little instant that happens on CC. The problem is it may seem trival to you but alot of these 'little issues' are really sufficating the mods and making it harder to do there job. So many people are waving there hands and saying 'look at my problem'.

Now I am not saying you are wrong, I am also not saying you are right either. What I am saying is that you little issue is part of a system of millions of little issues that the forums community create. Many of these issues are simple trivia that if the community didn't feel the need to bring up. maybe the mods can get a better grasp on things, you understand what I mean?

[Kotaro]

Kotaro: Please stop kissing ass in EVERY SINGLE THREAD. Twill is right and Twill is also, believe it or not, wrong sometimes.

It's not called "kissing ass". It's called "He's right, you're wrong, deal."

Aradhus, last I checked, a vagina is part of the genitalia, and exposing the genitalia is inappropriate for a site with 13 year olds.

And hey, don't like it? Leave.

[whitestazn88]

Firstly, Kotaro as well as Stephen Wayne should both have been banned by now. I have reported multiple posts by both members and have seen no results.

Secondly, regarding the main intent of this thread. The situation was handled incorrectly. As was the situation with the Bullet-Proof Bandits. Handing out bans without warnings on the incident, regardless of whether or not the member in question has been banned before, in my opinion, is not the way to properly deal with a community of members, some of whom have spent a good amount of money on the site. PLUS, it's a little ridiculous that the link posted had a link to a site which contained nudity (at least from what I heard) and that in turn was the reason the person was banned. That's pretty damn ridiculous, especially considering the fact that any Wikipedia, YouTube, and a slew of other sites' links should be disallowed from these forums.

BUT... Twill has a tough job. In my communications with him, he has been pretty nice and professional. The site is also under a lot of stress coming from the Hasbro scare as well as Wicked, et al.

In conclusion:
- Ban Kotaro and Stephan Wayne indefinitely
- The situation was mishandled
- Give the mods a bit of a break when they err (which is of course human)
- Go play some games and have fun.

[Kotaro]

*yawn* your accusations are boring. Can't you come up with something interesting, Troll? Yes I said Troll; see that thread title? It says Twill, not "whitestazn88's accuse whoever he wants thread"

Twill responded to me by lying, mocking, and baiting me.

Lying? I saw no lies.
Mocking? Yes, that's what people do when others post obvious idiotic content.
Baiting? It's only baiting if you get hooked and flame

[Aradhus]

Did you read the first post in this topic? The original post?

I've been flamed how many times in this topic now?

Twill responded to me by lying, mocking, and baiting me.
I responding by making my first flame post.
I was banned.

Your one little instant is jsut a part of every other little instant that happens on CC. The problem is it may seem trival to you but alot of these 'little issues' are really sufficating the mods and making it harder to do there job. So many people are waving there hands and saying 'look at my problem'.

Now I am not saying you are wrong, I am also not saying you are right either. What I am saying is that you little issue is part of a system of millions of little issues that the forums community create. Many of these issues are simple trivia that if the community didn't feel the need to bring up. maybe the mods can get a better grasp on things, you understand what I mean?

I understand your desire to defend your fellow mod. I get it, I've seen it before, I've been asked to do it before. The problem is, I value truth more than anything else.

I don't know exactly how many different sites and forums etc, that I am or have been a member of, but the simple fact of the matter is, sometimes, some mods are 'not nice', sometimes some mods are super nice.

Wicked wasn't fired(or whatever) because she was supernice.

The day Twill banned me, I had just been defending him and some of the mods... to later be banned and find out the guy is a lying toerag is a bit of a kick in the teeth..(to put it mildy)

[lancehoch]

This has gone on for long enough. Aradhus, the link was pronographic, even youtube says so:

This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community.
To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up.

But, ignoring that for a minute, I want to go back to the Community Guidelines:

Nudity and sexual material are not allowed.

I believe that a link to "Real Sex - Lady has real orgasm caught on video!" would clearly fall under sexual material. Now, there are two cases to consider here, as some people here might be members at youtube and others might not. If someone has a youtube account, then they are directly linked to a page where there is sexual content on the side bar, which is a bannable offense. The other case, if someone does not have an account, they are brought to a page that declarers the video inappropriate for certain demographics, so then it should not have been linked. Either way, pimpdave was wrong and was banned for it. You then decided to argue with the mods and were flaming in Off Topics. You got multiple warnings for this. You continued to flame the mods in the forums and received a three day ban. These actions are well within the limits of moderator actions within the Community Guidelines, which you like to cite.

Now to your further accusations of abuse of power and lack of professionalism by the moderators. I would like to start with another quote from the Community Guidelines:

Don't be intentionally annoying!

As a few people might have noticed lately, there have been a lot of people disregarding this request in the forums (you all know who you are). People like to push the limits of what is allowable on this site. Asking about a rule is one thing, questions should be posted in the Q&A forum, where a lot of people are willing to offer their advice. One person posting a porn link and others then bitching about it is not how to question a rule. In this case, someone should have made a post to the effect of "Can someone (please) explain how this link was considered pornographic?", not "How the f*ck can you assholes consider this pornographic, it was clearly educational?" People are pushing the limits and wondering why they get banned. To quote Newton:

To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

People push the rules and the site has to push back. If this did not happen, then the forum would deteriorate within days. So, to push back, the mods need to enforce the rules. The more people push, the more strict, and potentially over the top, the mods will need to be. If someone wants to act like an obnoxious prat and keep pushing for their agenda, then the mods will help you realize the fallacy in your logic, either by repeatedly punching holes in your arguments or by using your own arguments to show how you have broken the rules and then giving you a ban. What was done in this case in no way crossed any lines. People were being intentionally annoying, were looking to get their views declared as correct, and were looking for others to be banned for disagreeing. First, you were being annoying and deserved a warning which you received. Second, you were wrong and in being wrong, you broke the Community Guidelines and earned yourself a ban. Third, people are not going to get banned just because you want them to. Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with how any of this was handled. Marked [Closed] and moved to Closed Reports.