the last straw. maxatstuy. [banned]

[Fruitcake]

i still want to know what rule he broke.

First thing under the community guidelines.

"don't be intentionally annoying"

So over the next few days, do we expect to see a massive cull at CC? I expect the community to lost about 50% of its members.

Hardly.

Cheaters and troublemakers detract from the gaming experience of all Conquer Club players, and proactive measures are employed to protect our membership. Conquer Club reserves the right to suspend accounts and cancel Premium Memberships, with or without warning, of those players who are deemed to have violated the rules.

That just about sums it up. I do not imagine there were many who could lay claim to the incessant detraction of other players and their games. Look at the first post in the C&A thread.
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=73507

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

Thanks Fruitcake, the "cheaters and troublemakers" quote from the Rules page puts it better than what I said.

And yes everybody, that was there before the new Community Guidelines, so no...the administration isn't going to go through and ban whomever it feels like that has broken rules that weren't around until now

[john9blue]

I read the [banned] and actually said "Yes!".

[Aradhus]

Did Max cheat? I wasn't aware that he had cheated.

In any case, it seems to me, who is completely unbiased in this manner, that Max was banned because a group of people did not like him.

I could be entirely wrong, and max completely merited being banned, but from what I have read and seen, up until this point, it seems to be an unfair ruling. Personally if his behaviour was so bad, I would hope that measures had been taken before hand, and that Max had recieved warnings to curtail some of his more destructive behaviour or face the dire consequences.

On the posting in other peoples games, I have seen lots of people make derogatory statements in games, and refuse to leave when told to do so(granted, being told f*ck off, rarely works).

[Natewolfman]

as far as ive seen the biggest official reason was his multiple comments in games that are not his, insightly argument and not leaving when asked (all against the rules).

btw on the decision in my book

[Kotaro]

btw on the decision in my book

ditto.

Also, I hear new anti-farm rules are forthcoming. Bout ****ing time.

[jnd94]

Some people are too thick-skulled. If you would please read Twill's post that was mentioned in this very thread, you would see exactly why he was banned.

He has posted in many games that weren't his, to the point of huge annoyance. Also, the little part you overlooked was how he has killed off any chance of some new people contributing to this site by farming poor little newbs that don't know any better. Excessive farming has caused an even bigger case of point inflation that has already been happening.

So don't act dumb. If you don't like what Twill did, that is fair, but don't act dumb.

[jarrett155]

The reason why the foe list is such a commonly used tool on Conquer Club is because there are so many people who are intentionally annoying and make this site a more unpleasant site. By banishing maxatstuy, you are saying that he was not only bad for business, but that he was more detrimental to this site than any of the other people who are intentionally annoying. Max, while watching thousands of games, was only criticized by less than 10 people for doing so, the same 10 people who he has told off for cheating and for supporting the actions of such cheats. If you are trying to say that max was banned because of the rule:

"if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple"

then I propose another ban, Twill himself should be removed from the Conquer Club Community! He has made it perfectly clear that he has a reputation of a dick to maintain, and that he personally takes pride in ruining the entertainment which Conquer Club provides to so many members. So I will ask, why hasn't action been taken to ban Twill? He is certainly trying to make the site less enjoyable in a much more extreme way than Max was doing by posting in HIS FRIEND'S game chat.

At least half a dozen premium memberships have been purchased as a result of Max's presence on this site, and his the detriment which he has made on the community is clearly so insignificant that the very people who enjoy to libel his name throughout the forum have re-bought premium despite their hatred towards Max showing that he clearly couldn't have detracted from so much of the Conquer Club experience. If it was truly Max's intention to ruin this site and to be a pain in the ass, making the site less enjoyable for everyone around him, then why did he post so many threads in Sugs and Bugs so that new ideas could be imposted making the site more fun to everyone? Why did he have so many friends who, although most are silent in the forum, all feel the same resentment that I do about this absurd ban? Why is it that despite all of the trouble he supposedly caused, only about ten people feel strongly enough that he has ruined their enjoyment of the game to post? And lastly, why is it that the only people who have been posting against Max are the same people who have posted against Max ever since he create a cheating thread against Scott-Land?

The same people have had a resentment towards Max ever since he created those cheating threads, and yet not one person who left the site within the 4 months. Clearly the only people who believe that Max is a detriment to this site don't feel strongly enough not to re-buy premium, so what detrimental effect did Max have on this site, because I have yet to see what it is.

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

There's already a thread discussing his banishment...there's no need for another.

And btw...the people who created the thread in C&A aren't the only reason he was banned...he's had quite the history on CC...

[Twill]

Max got banned for a lot of reasons. He was consistently the source of ongoing controversies and he loved it. He made the experience less enjoyable for a great deal of people in a great deal of ways.

There is no reason why we should let someone stay here who is destroying the place. If someone constantly pissed in your sink every time they came round your house and then moaned at you when you told them not to, you wouldn't let them come round any more, would ya?

As I've said before, Max's banning belongs in the C&A forum and in the right thread, not GD.

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[jarrett155]

Max got banned for a lot of reasons. He was consistently the source of ongoing controversies and he loved it. He made the experience less enjoyable for a great deal of people in a great deal of ways.

There is no reason why we should let someone stay here who is destroying the place. If someone constantly pissed in your sink every time they came round your house and then moaned at you when you told them not to, you wouldn't let them come round any more, would ya?

As I've said before, Max's banning belongs in the C&A forum and in the right thread, not GD.

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Twill

are you trying to imply that the people who wanted max gone live at CC. I certainly hope not.
if you ride the bus everyday and everday one person on that bus calls you an idiot can you stop them from riding he bus?

[Bruceswar]

For anybody who plays speed games or has been high ranked for a time, knows max loves to watch games. He likes to watch all high rankers. He used to be really pleasant and say gl, etc. Then he start to get better himself and got ruder and more outspoken. Nasty PM's breaking rules, multiple bust, and as Twill put it, a royal pain in the ass. This site is much better off without max.

[Aradhus]

as far as ive seen the biggest official reason was his multiple comments in games that are not his, insightly argument and not leaving when asked (all against the rules).

I've seen dozens and dozens of players do this.

For anybody who plays speed games or has been high ranked for a time, knows max loves to watch games. He likes to watch all high rankers. He used to be really pleasant and say gl, etc. Then he start to get better himself and got ruder and more outspoken.

Couldn't possibly be him reacting to certain players goading him, telling him he was useless, that he only won points by farming, starting multiple threads attacking him, hijacking threads that were nothing to do with him and turning them into attacks against max etc. etc.

He couldn't possibly have been reacting to that, no. One day he just woke up and thought he'd go from being pleasant to being a prick...(because that makes total sense, cos nothing in life has a reason, everything is just random..)

[Bones2484]

as far as ive seen the biggest official reason was his multiple comments in games that are not his, insightly argument and not leaving when asked (all against the rules).

I've seen dozens and dozens of players do this.

Do these dozens and dozens of players have a history of warnings and previous bans?

[Aradhus]

as far as ive seen the biggest official reason was his multiple comments in games that are not his, insightly argument and not leaving when asked (all against the rules).

I've seen dozens and dozens of players do this.

Do these dozens and dozens of players have a history of warnings and previous bans?

What they don't have is a group of players who HATE them, and do everything they can to get others to hate them, and whine incessantly for them to be banned.

[Bones2484]

as far as ive seen the biggest official reason was his multiple comments in games that are not his, insightly argument and not leaving when asked (all against the rules).

I've seen dozens and dozens of players do this.

Do these dozens and dozens of players have a history of warnings and previous bans?

What they don't have is a group of players who HATE them, and do everything they can to get others to hate them, and whine incessantly for them to be banned.

Along with not having a history of warnings and previous bans, of course.

[Bruceswar]

For anybody who plays speed games or has been high ranked for a time, knows max loves to watch games. He likes to watch all high rankers. He used to be really pleasant and say gl, etc. Then he start to get better himself and got ruder and more outspoken.

Couldn't possibly be him reacting to certain players goading him, telling him he was useless, that he only won points by farming, starting multiple threads attacking him, hijacking threads that were nothing to do with him and turning them into attacks against max etc. etc.

He couldn't possibly have been reacting to that, no. One day he just woke up and thought he'd go from being pleasant to being a prick...(because that makes total sense, cos nothing in life has a reason, everything is just random..)

Not at all. He used to be friends with many of us. As he got better himself he started calling out mistakes and plays. Now remember most of these were freestyle speed games. Nobody needs someone calling out your mistakes as you are trying to play. Slowly he managed to piss off just about every speed game player. He did not make a single post on the forums until his cheating thread came up. By this point he was already far gone with most of us.

[hulmey]

as far as ive seen the biggest official reason was his multiple comments in games that are not his, insightly argument and not leaving when asked (all against the rules).

I've seen dozens and dozens of players do this.

Do these dozens and dozens of players have a history of warnings and previous bans?

What they don't have is a group of players who HATE them, and do everything they can to get others to hate them, and whine incessantly for them to be banned.

[demonfork]

as far as ive seen the biggest official reason was his multiple comments in games that are not his, insightly argument and not leaving when asked (all against the rules).

I've seen dozens and dozens of players do this.

Do these dozens and dozens of players have a history of warnings and previous bans?

What they don't have is a group of players who HATE them, and do everything they can to get others to hate them, and whine incessantly for them to be banned.

I 2nd

[gundiesalvo]

I propose another ban, Twill himself should be removed from the Conquer Club Community!

Make another topic on that and see where it goes, that doesn't belong in here.

if you ride the bus everyday and everday one person on that bus calls you an idiot can you stop them from riding he bus?

You could probably get a Harassment Restraining Order, for more info you can look at this, but to bring out the important bits:

"A person who is a victim of harassment may seek a restraining order from the court.
The restraining order prohibits harassment.

Harassment includes:
1. Repeated, intrusive, or unwanted acts, words, or gestures that are intended to adversely affect your safety, security, or privacy, regardless of the relationship between you and the alleged harasser;
3. A pattern of attending public events after being notified that one's presence is harassing to another."

I guess that sums it up...
Now I see a lot of people who are angry with Max's ban, mostly from the Farmers Guild, which is good, it's always good to support people in a community you believe in. However, bashing others and saying other people should also be banned does not belong here. If you have complaints about other people, then open another thread.

What they don't have is a group of players who HATE them, and do everything they can to get others to hate them, and whine incessantly for them to be banned.

Well couldn't have Max avoided them to hate him if he had just left them alone? And wouldn't people not fall to their words if Max had proved them to be wrong with solid, well thought and mature arguments?

Max has been banned, and we will be launching some new farming rules in the next few days

Looking into the evidence, and max's behaviour in the games mentioned, I applaud this decision, particularly if he had

a history of warnings and previous bans

I also hope the new farming rules come soon.

Now, personally I didn't know max other than from the posts he's made on Suggestions forum, but he does seem like a provocative guy who tries to attract attention towards himself by stirring up trouble, which can easily disrupt the community of the site. And again, personally, I think anyone who enjoys getting points from people with potentially lower skills than them, rather than enjoying the game for the challenge it presents, are missing the whole point of the game itself and are abusing an inefficient system (inefficient because while score should reflect a player's skill at the game it only reflects the player's skill to gather and hold on to those points, beating the whole purpose of them even existing).

People are free to enjoy themselves in whatever way they like the most as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's right to enjoy themselves as well, and abuse in any form or shape should always be prevented so I'm looking forward to the anti-farming rules that will come into play.

I hope this is a step forward towards a community that can learn to respect each other, and the guidelines made for peaceful coexistence and overall enjoyment of the game.

[lancehoch]

Aradhus and jarrett155: There have been many incidents in the past with max in both chat and the forums. He has also been busted on more than one occasion for having multiple accounts. The latest incident was following specific users into games and disrupting their games. I warned him to stop this behavior, but within 24 hours of the warning he was back at it.

If you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple

This was a fairly simple request, yet max could not follow it. As he had been warned many times before and did not seem to understand that the warnings and vacations he had received meant something, he was removed from the site. Whether there were a group of people who liked this user or disliked this user did not come into play with the ban, it was simply a matter of this user is overall a huge detriment to the website and thus he is gone.

[demonfork]

Aradhus and jarrett155: There have been many incidents in the past with max in both chat and the forums. He has also been busted on more than one occasion for having multiple accounts. The latest incident was following specific users into games and disrupting their games. I warned him to stop this behavior, but within 24 hours of the warning he was back at it.

If you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple

This was a fairly simple request, yet max could not follow it. As he had been warned many times before and did not seem to understand that the warnings and vacations he had received meant something, he was removed from the site. Whether there were a group of people who liked this user or disliked this user did not come into play with the ban, it was simply a matter of this user is overall a huge detriment to the website and thus he is gone.

When was max ever busted for being a multi? I don't believe that his prior busts ever had anything to do with multiple accounts.

[bridge2far]

Alright all frickin ready..

fck sake everyone.

If you want to know why max is banned you should take a look at my original post.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=73507
Everything is true, not much has been left out.

So please, stop asking questions... find out for yourself by reading through my entire post, and yes... that means reading every single game chat that i provided.

[hulmey]

Alright all frickin ready..

fck sake everyone.

If you want to know why max is banned you should take a look at my original post.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=73507
Everything is true, not much has been left out.

So please, stop asking questions... find out for yourself by reading through my entire post, and yes... that means reading every single game chat that i provided.

did you report DAT WAT SHE SAID as well. I mean i only pulled up 2 games and none of them are bannable offences. 2nd game pulled up 3415336....deserves a ban for DAT.

[Bruceswar]

Aradhus and jarrett155: There have been many incidents in the past with max in both chat and the forums. He has also been busted on more than one occasion for having multiple accounts. The latest incident was following specific users into games and disrupting their games. I warned him to stop this behavior, but within 24 hours of the warning he was back at it.

If you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple

This was a fairly simple request, yet max could not follow it. As he had been warned many times before and did not seem to understand that the warnings and vacations he had received meant something, he was removed from the site. Whether there were a group of people who liked this user or disliked this user did not come into play with the ban, it was simply a matter of this user is overall a huge detriment to the website and thus he is gone.

When was max ever busted for being a multi? I don't believe that his prior busts ever had anything to do with multiple accounts.

max was busted for a multi with maxs account. There is a thread some place about it. He was "teaching his parents" on that account, but from the chat you can clearly see it was him.