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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby FarangDemon on Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:46 am

chipv wrote:
Show me where you have read this. It is incorrect. What would be the purpose of additionally averaging by map?



Sorry, please disregard then. I had read something that Porkenbeans had written to high ranked players that were complaining of having low RR scores. He said that aggregation of RR was done by map first, and then relative ranks for each map were averaged together to get the overall RR.

He was saying that if they only played one game on one map that happened to have a bunch of noobs, all they have to do is play that map a few more times with higher ranked players and then the RR for that map won't be so low, so when it is averaged with all the other maps' RR's it won't bring the overall RR down.

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GM <= AM - ALWAYS so people's RR would drop even lower.


True, they will drop a little, but the only people that it will drop the most noticeably for are farmers. Also, if you make it a running average, like based on the last 100 or so opponents scores, then I think you'll get less complaints because people know they have a chance to change their RR by seeking out peers for competition.

Again I just want to say thank you so much for implementing what you have, in spite of people complaining. You have done a good job, you have gone about this thing fairly and objectively and it is up to individual players to interpret Map Rank metrics as they will.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby PepperJack on Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:35 pm

Chipv,

Would it be possible to have the parenthetical unique defeats displayed after a map's name instead of before it on the new game finder page? I only ask because having the parentheses leading the actual map name takes away the ability to type a letter to shortcut to the desired map. Thank you much in advance.

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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:18 am

PepperJack wrote:Chipv,

Would it be possible to have the parenthetical unique defeats displayed after a map's name instead of before it on the new game finder page? I only ask because having the parentheses leading the actual map name takes away the ability to type a letter to shortcut to the desired map. Thank you much in advance.

-PJ


Good point, Pepperjack.
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map rank not working

Postby Georgerx7di on Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:30 am

Bug: My map rank stopped working a few weeks ago. The window pops up and says mozila not responding. Then my comp freezes (running vista). I have to open task manager and close all firefox pages.
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Re: map rank not working

Postby lancehoch on Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:31 am

This should be posted in the Map Rank thread.
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Re: map rank not working

Postby cicero on Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:43 pm

"map rank not working" - originally posted in Suggestions & Bug Reports.
Moved to plugins & addons and merged with the Map Rank thread.

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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby FarangDemon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:04 am

In one of your posts, you mentioned you were going to take out Relative Rank from the next update. Are you really going to remove it?

I know the purpose of you calculating RR is not to assist anyone in developing an alternate scoreboard. However, I think if you could also provide an RR that is only based off the last 100 opponents, that would help us to identify a much more inclusive group of competitive players.

I don't want to alienate competitive (mostly high ranked) players by cramming a policy down their throats that precludes them from being on the scoreboard no matter what. I think everyone should be given the opportunity to have a clean slate, to play their peers and to see how well they do against them and have their achievements recognized. I've talked to many players that are currently or have been predominantly farming, who would love to do this, but will continue to farm as long as there is no way they can make it onto the competitive scoreboard because of their past game history. I want to bring these guys into the competitive fold because there are many highly skilled, ambitious and pragmatic players among them.

Everyone appreciates the work you have contributed to this site and respects you for your efforts. That being said, I know at least 4 players currently working on their own projects to make conquer club more enjoyable, with regard to scoreboard reform. They want to bring new ideas to the discussion of scoreboard reform. Three out of the four rely on RR. We are all looking for constructive input for how to design a system that is inclusive and fair.

If you get rid of RR you will have effectively censored the budding discussion on scoring/scoreboard reform, which has been recently praised by mods as healthy, necessary and overdue. I hope you continue to provide us with measurements to facilitate the ongoing efforts of these many thoughtful players.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:17 am

Fine it can stay so long as I get help with preventing RR, and Map Rank in general , getting misrepresented.
This tool is beginning to feel more trouble than it is worth.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby fishydance on Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:08 am

chipv wrote:Fine it can stay so long as I get help with preventing RR, and Map Rank in general , getting misrepresented.
This tool is beginning to feel more trouble than it is worth.


It's a great tool! Unfortunately RR is going to be misrepresented by some regardless of what an awesome job you do. You simply can't change those players who seem to have nothing better to do than use RR as a means to either promote themselves, or put down other players.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:45 pm

I am having trouble getting this script to work. I can get stuff like Clickies working fine, but not Map Rank.

I have all that stuff installed etc. but when I run it, it simple outputs: "collecting games" (for 10 minutes is the longest I have let it run) or "scanning... 0%" for however long I let it run.

Anyone know what the problem is?
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:08 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:I am having trouble getting this script to work. I can get stuff like Clickies working fine, but not Map Rank.

I have all that stuff installed etc. but when I run it, it simple outputs: "collecting games" (for 10 minutes is the longest I have let it run) or "scanning... 0%" for however long I let it run.

Anyone know what the problem is?


What is the exact text above the Player text box in the left menu?

It should be Map... and then a number.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:16 pm

Map Rank GL 1.0.8

It also says the latest version is installed.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:22 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:Map Rank GL 1.0.8

It also says the latest version is installed.


Is this your first install or have you run it ok previously?
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 pm

First install.

Edit. I notice it says "javascript: void(0)" in the bottom left of the pop up window (where it usually says "done" after a page is loaded.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:33 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:First install.

Edit. I notice it says "javascript: void(0)" in the bottom left of the pop up window (where it usually says "done" after a page is loaded.


Ok, what name are you typing in?

Also check for errors please by going to Tools->Error Console and looking for bold text.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:39 pm

I tried my name, yours, then some other people. I also tried Glyder788 (random person with one game.) Same result for all.

I checked, and there is a security error.

Code: Select all
Security Error: Content at https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/upc.php?i=pm&flder=inbox may not load data from https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&un=Glyder788


From last time I did it.

Edit: I have not recieved an error any other time. Tried it again with same person. No errors. Tried changing http to https and back. No errors. But it still says "collecting games"
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:46 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:I tried my name, yours, then some other people. I also tried Glyder788 (random person with one game.) Same result for all.

I checked, and there is a security error.

Code: Select all
Security Error: Content at https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/upc.php?i=pm&flder=inbox may not load data from https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&un=Glyder788


From last time I did it.

Edit: I have not recieved an error any other time. Tried it again with same person. No errors. Tried changing http to https and back. No errors. But it still says "collecting games"


What exact version of Firefox do you have?
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:50 pm

3.0.5 the latest version.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:57 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:3.0.5 the latest version.


Did you change the include pages in the Greasemonkey settings? I am puzzled how you were able to even see Map Rank from the https version of CC as it is only defined by default for http.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:01 pm

chipv wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:3.0.5 the latest version.


Did you change the include pages in the Greasemonkey settings? I am puzzled how you were able to even see Map Rank from the https version of CC as it is only defined by default for http.

I access CC from https only. If I access anything from http that has either the words "myspace" "facebook" or "game" in the url, then it is blocked by my home network default settings. (I am allowed to play CC and stuff, just the network is messed up).

So, I use https. The other problem I have with http here is that the medals do not load as images.

I changed the http to https in all my scripts. BOB and Clikies work fine on https, but I can't get map rank to work on either one.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:05 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:
chipv wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:3.0.5 the latest version.


Did you change the include pages in the Greasemonkey settings? I am puzzled how you were able to even see Map Rank from the https version of CC as it is only defined by default for http.

I access CC from https only. If I access anything from http that has either the words "myspace" "facebook" or "game" in the url, then it is blocked by my home network default settings. (I am allowed to play CC and stuff, just the network is messed up).

So, I use https. The other problem I have with http here is that the medals do not load as images.

I changed the http to https in all my scripts. BOB and Clikies work fine on https, but I can't get map rank to work on either one.


I literally just tried on https and it did not work for me either - I get same symptoms as you.
So far only http has been tested so this is obviously the problem.
The fix is a little tricky so I will need some time on this one, sorry.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:07 pm

Ah, no problem.

I never had it before, so I can't miss having it. :)
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby chipv on Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:21 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:Ah, no problem.

I never had it before, so I can't miss having it. :)


Ok, I just got this to work just now so here is what to try now:

Change all actual urls in the script file from http://... to https://...

except the fileden one.
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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby FarangDemon on Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:39 am

chipv wrote:Fine it can stay so long as I get help with preventing RR, and Map Rank in general , getting misrepresented.
This tool is beginning to feel more trouble than it is worth.


If you are referring to Porkenbeans threads, don't worry about them anymore. At first they received a visceral, negative reaction from some of the competitive players who didn't have EQ because his policy excluded them and included some farmers. But now, even FabledIntegral has stopped name calling and joined the constructive debate for how we can improve the policy.

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Re: NEW: Conquer Club Map Rank GL

Postby The Neon Peon on Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:30 am

How do I change the urls in the actual script file?

I changed all the included pages urls, but I don't know where to find the actual script file.
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