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Re: Live Chat

Postby lancehoch on Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:56 pm

The proper form for a C&A report is:

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Re: Live Chat

Postby KoE_Sirius on Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:57 pm

I cant stop laughing at the dildo comment. [-X .Did you really say that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Live Chat

Postby Scott-Land on Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:10 pm

maxatstuy wrote:
Scott-Land wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:This thread was created because of James Vazquez' inability to separate his biases from his job and because he is clearly abusing his powers as a mod. He is a poor at his job at best and I think conquer club would be a better place with him removed from his position and replaced.


I'd venture a guess and it's only my opinion but I'm sure there are many many players that would agree with me. CC would definitely be a better place without Maxatstuy. From problems with blocks, cheats and multi's not to mention Live Chat along with abuse in every single one of Game chat that I play. Managed to destroy the site and countless player's reputations- they can no longer fully enjoy what the site has to offer because of the multitude of blocks placed on them due to Max abusing their trust when account sitting for them.

Ban this guy- lift the blocks and the site will become enjoyable once again.


nice job staying on topic...if you want me to stop calling you a cheat, stop cheating. It is a simple solution. You are an abusive player who tries to cover up his inability to play without bruce being there to gift you games by blaming it on dice and your internet connection. Complaining about someone winning 3-1 and 4-2 is hysterical considering how amazing your dice are in every game you are in where bruce isnt there to gift it to you. You created a thread about me being a multi because you were trying to divert attention off of your cheating, and go around to my threads flaming me when they are in general discussion. If anybody, you are the one making this site not enjoyable and your inability to follow the rules should be grounds enough for a ban. If you would like to comment about something pertaining to James Vazquez' abuse of his powers as a mod, or about his innocence, please continue; however if all you are going to say is some crap that you think makes you look any less guilty than make those comments on your cheating thread and stop spamming other threads where you have nothing to say


oops- this was supposed to be in your other Cheat thread. Sorry... so many I posted in the wrong one. Was supposed to be in this one. :lol:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67459&view=unread#unread
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Re: Live Chat

Postby maxatstuy on Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:14 pm

Scott-Land wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:
Scott-Land wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:This thread was created because of James Vazquez' inability to separate his biases from his job and because he is clearly abusing his powers as a mod. He is a poor at his job at best and I think conquer club would be a better place with him removed from his position and replaced.


I'd venture a guess and it's only my opinion but I'm sure there are many many players that would agree with me. CC would definitely be a better place without Maxatstuy. From problems with blocks, cheats and multi's not to mention Live Chat along with abuse in every single one of Game chat that I play. Managed to destroy the site and countless player's reputations- they can no longer fully enjoy what the site has to offer because of the multitude of blocks placed on them due to Max abusing their trust when account sitting for them.

Ban this guy- lift the blocks and the site will become enjoyable once again.


nice job staying on topic...if you want me to stop calling you a cheat, stop cheating. It is a simple solution. You are an abusive player who tries to cover up his inability to play without bruce being there to gift you games by blaming it on dice and your internet connection. Complaining about someone winning 3-1 and 4-2 is hysterical considering how amazing your dice are in every game you are in where bruce isnt there to gift it to you. You created a thread about me being a multi because you were trying to divert attention off of your cheating, and go around to my threads flaming me when they are in general discussion. If anybody, you are the one making this site not enjoyable and your inability to follow the rules should be grounds enough for a ban. If you would like to comment about something pertaining to James Vazquez' abuse of his powers as a mod, or about his innocence, please continue; however if all you are going to say is some crap that you think makes you look any less guilty than make those comments on your cheating thread and stop spamming other threads where you have nothing to say


oops- this was supposed to be in your other Cheat thread. Sorry... so many I posted in the wrong one. Was supposed to be in this one. :lol:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67459&view=unread#unread


Sure this one isnt more appropriate?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67256
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Re: Live Chat

Postby lancehoch on Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:43 pm

So now that a topic for this thread has been defined, I will set down some more ground rules.
  • Stay on topic: is/was James Vazquez abusing his power as a mod
  • Only post to give or refute evidence of JV abusing his power
  • Personal attacks will not be tolerated, toward JV or anyone else in this thread
  • Flaming and flame baiting will win you a lovely PM from me
  • Trolling will also get you a PM
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby Tisha on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:23 pm

The day of that chat you pasted, you repeated the the same flaming things you had said on previous days to me, and more. Why didn't you include that in your paste? You know, the comments about me sucking James cock, because he stood up for me in chat when you were being an ass..or the comment about me being his whore? All because I was ignoring you.. And before when you were banned, you had just joined chat under different user names to get around the ban. I like that your brother had never came into chat, then you get banned, he starts showing up..You also had sent me private message after private message harassing me, since you weren't allowed in social.. (by the way, don't waste your time next time, I close them without reading them.)
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby Kotaro on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:34 pm

Tisha, instead of deleting those, you should paste them into chat or send them to a moderator.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby maxatstuy on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:56 pm

Tisha wrote:The day of that chat you pasted, you repeated the the same flaming things you had said on previous days to me, and more. Why didn't you include that in your paste? You know, the comments about me sucking James cock, because he stood up for me in chat when you were being an ass..or the comment about me being his whore? All because I was ignoring you.. And before when you were banned, you had just joined chat under different user names to get around the ban. I like that your brother had never came into chat, then you get banned, he starts showing up..You also had sent me private message after private message harassing me, since you weren't allowed in social.. (by the way, don't waste your time next time, I close them without reading them.)


WHAT?

Your statements about me sending you private messages are complete libel and it is comments such as those which make me wish I had done the things you are referring to. I never once sent you a private message and I have no idea what you are referring to. As I previously stated, it was my repeating that comment which was the cause of the second banishment in addition to my comments flaming your relationship with James as it was his biased which was the cause of the first banishment more so than what I said. However, I never said that you sucked James cock as I leave those comments in reference to other situations which I will not mention right now as they are irrelevant. Nevertheless, the comments which you mentioned were not the cause of the the third or fourth and since those are the banishments which you are referencing, I have no interest in going more into depth with the first two as I already admitted that he had justification for kicking me out.

Still, even his justification for banishing me the first two times does not give him the right to banish me a third and fourth time as well. The fact of the matter is that James was wrong and abused his powers as a mod, and even if he was annoyed about my comments the first two days, it should not have an effect after I served my punishment for breaking those rules.

Btw, the only time I went onto my brothers account was 25 hours after a 24 hour ban when I was still locked out (after my first time being banned.) I should have been allowed back in sooner and I went on his account because I assumed there was an issue with the system. In a talk with Hera later that night, I even showed him the time stamp on the email which I received upon being kicked out of chat which was timed stamped at over 25 hrs before I was let back into chat. It was a logical assessment that if something says 24 hours, it should automatically let me back on in 24 hours and when it didnt, that was the most logical recourse I could take.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby Tisha on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:23 pm

you did private message me in chat...and yes, next time i'll make sure i save them all
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby motionstop on Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:56 pm

from the original report, it looks like vazquez did abuse his power. but i don't see enough evidence. i wish i could see more of the dialogue prior to that part of it. i haven't read through the entire thread, so there may be plenty i'm missing. but from what i did read, it looked like people were name calling rather than solving.

i've known vazquez to be rash because of the game chat and helpful because of the game chat. don't get me wrong, he has helped out a significant amount as a moderator. however, from what has been indicated, it seems as though vazquez is banning you because of something he doesn't want you to talk about. is that right?

i don't know what you were saying, but it could have been not that bad, or awful. i don't know. it doesn't seem like what you did was that bad, but then again, i don't know. were you being unreasonably crass/lude/racist?

either way, from the times i've gone on to chat, it seems as though everyone is calling one another some crass name or associated with blunt stupidity.


i'm curious what the moderators think of this. i'd like to see the dialogue and rational that goes behind a moderator being accused of abusing power. i'm not challenging, i am honestly curious and want to see it for my own benefit. it also might give other players who do encounter problems with moderators to be willing to speak out knowing that will at least be looked into.

but as i stated above, i may have missed that part. ;)


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Re: James Vazquez

Postby king achilles on Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:17 am

Since this is a complaint against another moderator, this will be handled by an administrator (Twill or Andy). But as you can see, there are numerous issues that also needs attention, and this is not limited in the C&A reports.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby maxatstuy on Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:24 am

motionstop wrote:from the original report, it looks like vazquez did abuse his power. but i don't see enough evidence. i wish i could see more of the dialogue prior to that part of it. i haven't read through the entire thread, so there may be plenty i'm missing. but from what i did read, it looked like people were name calling rather than solving.

i've known vazquez to be rash because of the game chat and helpful because of the game chat. don't get me wrong, he has helped out a significant amount as a moderator. however, from what has been indicated, it seems as though vazquez is banning you because of something he doesn't want you to talk about. is that right?

i don't know what you were saying, but it could have been not that bad, or awful. i don't know. it doesn't seem like what you did was that bad, but then again, i don't know. were you being unreasonably crass/lude/racist?

either way, from the times i've gone on to chat, it seems as though everyone is calling one another some crass name or associated with blunt stupidity.


i'm curious what the moderators think of this. i'd like to see the dialogue and rational that goes behind a moderator being accused of abusing power. i'm not challenging, i am honestly curious and want to see it for my own benefit. it also might give other players who do encounter problems with moderators to be willing to speak out knowing that will at least be looked into.

but as i stated above, i may have missed that part. ;)


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I was taking everything negative which I was going to say and which could be considered flaming, and negating it, so that I wasnt saying anything that was offensive. I basically called it opposite day and allowed people to view my comments however they wanted them to be viewed. I said to James that he is NOT a completely biased mod and I made other statements similar to that.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby motionstop on Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:51 am

and you got banned because of it? i don't understand.
are there chat room rules? i was under the impression it had similar guidelines as forum rules: no racism/prejudice/bigotry/sexism and the like.

i know i've been threatened to be banned for posting a callout in the social section. i thought that was strange and rash. but the mod who was on told me he would ban me for discussing it. i was also threatened to be banned for discussing that rule in the chat. bla bla bla. . that's my sob story. haha.


back to you:
where are the chat rules? why would you be banned for it? that doesn't seem to make sense.

there must be some set of rules. anyone know offhand where they are or what they are?
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby maxatstuy on Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:57 am

I was looking for the chat rules myself, I dont know, if there is a set of defined rules, where it is located. You are not allowed to flame in Live Chat though and I was careful not to

the live chat posted in my initial post was the chat right before I was banned. I had just copy and pasted it to show to my friend because it was so ridiculous how both James and gcwca were both clearly flaming me and then a moment later I was banished.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby motionstop on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:21 am

that's strange. . .
from what i can see, i'd make a report also. i see no reason for you to be banned.

for the record, i'm glad i'm not the only who is seemingly unnecessarily banned/threatened to be banned. ;)
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby InsomniaRed on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:26 am

motionstop wrote:that's strange. . .
from what i can see, i'd make a report also. i see no reason for you to be banned.

for the record, i'm glad i'm not the only who is seemingly unnecessarily banned/threatened to be banned.


There was plenty of reason for him to be banned. His continually disruptive behaviour in Live Chat nearly ever night he was present, along with his spamming and flaming all added up to him deserving this ban. He tries to make himself out to be so innocent, when he leaves almost all of his actions out of the story.

Those of us who were always IN Live Chat during the times he was there know exactly what he did and know that he did in fact deserve it. James Vazquez was NOT abusing his power, he was merely doing his job. Max had repeatedly broken rules and ignored warnings, or tried to get around them in clever ways. Bottom line is, he knows what he did, and this thread is absurd. James has never been anything less than a respectable chat moderator.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby king achilles on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:28 am

As stated before, maxatstuy, you have already submitted a number of eTickets, as well as your brother, elistuy, also sent one too. You have also made this thread to let the community hear your side. Let the admins do their own investigation.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby Kotaro on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:28 am

motionshop, the only reason you're agreeing with you is, like the entire thread, max is lying.

Let the admins deal with this; James has ALWAYS dealth fairly with people, and you can ask any mod for the Live Chat about max and his many, MANY bans. This whole incident where James "abused his power", just so happened to occur right after max was unbanned from social chat.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby maxatstuy on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:41 am

InsomniaRed wrote:
motionstop wrote:that's strange. . .
from what i can see, i'd make a report also. i see no reason for you to be banned.

for the record, i'm glad i'm not the only who is seemingly unnecessarily banned/threatened to be banned.


There was plenty of reason for him to be banned. His continually disruptive behaviour in Live Chat nearly ever night he was present, along with his spamming and flaming all added up to him deserving this ban. He tries to make himself out to be so innocent, when he leaves almost all of his actions out of the story.

Those of us who were always IN Live Chat during the times he was there know exactly what he did and know that he did in fact deserve it. James Vazquez was NOT abusing his power, he was merely doing his job. Max had repeatedly broken rules and ignored warnings, or tried to get around them in clever ways. Bottom line is, he knows what he did, and this thread is absurd. James has never been anything less than a respectable chat moderator.


I have admitted to being guilty for my first two bans and I deserved to be banished for those 24 hour terms. HOWEVER, you are speaking completely out of your dislike towards me in your post and not out of what actually occurred. No matter what you say, that chat in the initial post came straight out of Live Chat and it clearly shows that James and gcwca were flaming me. Action was not taken against either of them for their flaming and instead it was me that was banished. The banishment was wrong and there has been nothing said to justify it.

Meanwhile, the third banishment was almost equally absurd as I was banished for quoting a flame wars post of zsp when people were saying about how the disliked him. James wasnt even in chat that day, yet a day later he banned me for posting something he thought was me flaming xruan. No one was flaming anyone except others possibly flaming zsp and all I did was post one of zsp's comments in flame wars that I thought was funny. Xruan wasnt in chat so that commotion couldnt arise from it and instead, we were having a rather civil conversation for which I was banished. It was ridiculous and just another example of James bias that he would ban me when he clearly had no idea what occurred in his absence.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby maxatstuy on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:48 am

Kotaro wrote:motionshop, the only reason you're agreeing with you is, like the entire thread, max is lying.

Let the admins deal with this; James has ALWAYS dealth fairly with people, and you can ask any mod for the Live Chat about max and his many, MANY bans. This whole incident where James "abused his power", just so happened to occur right after max was unbanned from social chat.


If that was the case then somewhere down the line I would have been banished from Live Chat at least once by some other mod other than James. I have had disputes with Herakilla and even though he has expressed a dislike towards me it never effected his ability to mod.

In regard to your last statement, when else would I be complaining about James' abusing his powers, he found any excuse to banish me and did so 4 days in a row so your commenting about when I made the initial accusation is ridiculous. I have been saying that he abused his power from the first time he let his feelings towards Tisha cloud his ability to make decisions fairly and justly
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby motionstop on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:51 am

i never explicitly said i'd agree with max. i even indicated that i wanted to see the rest of the chat. either way, i know i have been threatened to be banned for a strange reason before, and i didn't report it. i didn't feel the need. because of my situation, i can see that max could be telling the truth. but then again, i don't know.

does anyone else know what max was saying exactly that forced his ban? was he being racist? was he being prejudiced? was he insulting anyone's religion? or was he just being annoying? he's the only one with proof, and the proof is in the pudding. if others don't like him, in general, it's significantly hard to use 'trust me' as evidence. Heck, even if you do like him, 'trust me' doesn't quite cut it.

from what it looks like, max was simply being annoying and people wanted him to refrain from being annoying. that said, if that is the case, one shouldn't be banned for being a nuisance. that's just sheer censorship. people have the right to be obnoxious so long as it isn't inappropriate. and it doesn't appear as though he did anything wrong, even if it was annoying.


so was he being annoying? or going against the forum guidelines? if so, which one in particular?
and where are those chat rules? if there are no explicit rules, there should be some to avoid this sort of mess.

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Re: James Vazquez

Postby motionstop on Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:53 am

Kotaro wrote:motionshop, the only reason you're agreeing with you is, like the entire thread, max is lying.

Let the admins deal with this; James has ALWAYS dealth fairly with people, and you can ask any mod for the Live Chat about max and his many, MANY bans. This whole incident where James "abused his power", just so happened to occur right after max was unbanned from social chat.


the only reason you're agreeing with you is. . . max is lying? that doesn't make sense. i agree with myself? :?
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby maxatstuy on Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:03 am

motionstop wrote:i never explicitly said i'd agree with max. i even indicated that i wanted to see the rest of the chat. either way, i know i have been threatened to be banned for a strange reason before, and i didn't report it. i didn't feel the need. because of my situation, i can see that max could be telling the truth. but then again, i don't know.

does anyone else know what max was saying exactly that forced his ban? was he being racist? was he being prejudiced? was he insulting anyone's religion? or was he just being annoying? he's the only one with proof, and the proof is in the pudding. if others don't like him, in general, it's significantly hard to use 'trust me' as evidence. Heck, even if you do like him, 'trust me' doesn't quite cut it.

from what it looks like, max was simply being annoying and people wanted him to refrain from being annoying. that said, if that is the case, one shouldn't be banned for being a nuisance. that's just sheer censorship. people have the right to be obnoxious so long as it isn't inappropriate. and it doesn't appear as though he did anything wrong, even if it was annoying.


so was he being annoying? or going against the forum guidelines? if so, which one in particular?
and where are those chat rules? if there are no explicit rules, there should be some to avoid this sort of mess.

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James Vazquez wrote:Re: your chat post that earned you a vacation

Sent at: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:35 pm
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max your a obnoxiuos person in chat, Follow the rules or pay the consequences. Noone finds you amusing. We'll maybe those that are already banned, and what does that tell ya. There are plenty of ways to communicate here without doing it in open chat. Figure them out and keep your drama outta the public eye.

the chat vacation stands.

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Re: James Vazquez

Postby motionstop on Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:06 am

and this is somewhat off topic, but James threatened to ban me because I put a callout in social. so i didn't put another callout out there, but i wanted to see why i would get banned because of it. so i started talking to him about the rule. we were discussing the rule, and he threatened to ban me for discussing the rule in social.

i don't have any proof of this occurring, but i felt, and still feel, that being banned for what 'i did' was a bit rash.

so knowing that of james [ and yes, he has banned others for great reason. . . ] i can see him banning someone without reputable cause.
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Re: James Vazquez

Postby motionstop on Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:08 am

maxatstuy wrote:
motionstop wrote:i never explicitly said i'd agree with max. i even indicated that i wanted to see the rest of the chat. either way, i know i have been threatened to be banned for a strange reason before, and i didn't report it. i didn't feel the need. because of my situation, i can see that max could be telling the truth. but then again, i don't know.

does anyone else know what max was saying exactly that forced his ban? was he being racist? was he being prejudiced? was he insulting anyone's religion? or was he just being annoying? he's the only one with proof, and the proof is in the pudding. if others don't like him, in general, it's significantly hard to use 'trust me' as evidence. Heck, even if you do like him, 'trust me' doesn't quite cut it.

from what it looks like, max was simply being annoying and people wanted him to refrain from being annoying. that said, if that is the case, one shouldn't be banned for being a nuisance. that's just sheer censorship. people have the right to be obnoxious so long as it isn't inappropriate. and it doesn't appear as though he did anything wrong, even if it was annoying.


so was he being annoying? or going against the forum guidelines? if so, which one in particular?
and where are those chat rules? if there are no explicit rules, there should be some to avoid this sort of mess.

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James Vazquez wrote:Re: your chat post that earned you a vacation

Sent at: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:35 pm
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max your a obnoxiuos person in chat, Follow the rules or pay the consequences. Noone finds you amusing. We'll maybe those that are already banned, and what does that tell ya. There are plenty of ways to communicate here without doing it in open chat. Figure them out and keep your drama outta the public eye.

the chat vacation stands.

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really??? so. . . you were annoying? that's all? what are the rules, exactly? i'm still unsure as to what rule you broke. weeeeiiirrrrrrddd... . . . :?
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