Scott-land [Cleared]

[Bruceswar]

I meant abilities in an escalating game. As for clicking fast, it all looks the same to someone who isn't using clickable maps. I played one RT game against you, and it was not interesting. Just attack from one place and click fast. Woop-de-doo! The other two games were more amusing, in terms of strategies.

I did find one escalating game we both played though, and it lasted 13 rounds. Plus I don't recall you doing anything stupid, and I usually do when someone does. But like you said, fast fingers are a big part of the freestyle speed game, and I don't know how you fair there.

As I said I was a 3 sec a territory player until very recent. In 8 man speed esc, that is SUPER SLOW. You need to at least take 1 spot a second to make yourself competitive on a regular basis. With the addition of CM you rarely see anybody under the rank of Lt. win. Pre CM every once in a blue moon a lower rank would win. That just does not happen, much if at all anymore. You can blame CM for that if you ask me.

[Robinette]

lol... notice the warning at the bottom left...


and i'm curious... do you need a prescription to get CM, or is available over the counter?

either way, it should probably have the same warning label.. lol
actually... CM resembles 2nd hand smoke... deadly to those nearby!

[Bruceswar]

bruce, it's hard to belive that you were good enough to reach the rank of colonel, yet scott is still able to beat you this easily

I hope you realize scott beats nearly every rank. As of right now, he is nearly 3000 points ahead of me. Even he was only 20% better than me at freestyle speed esc, that would mean he would more than likely win 60% of the or so. He is much better than 20%. More like 40% or so. If you look where most of my points come from it is surely not speed free as I am only a 10% winner overall vs anybody. My points come from other places.

[Scott-Land]

why I made the comment earlier about how scott dropped the game with giga to join the one with bruce.

I haven't seen any facts in your posts Max, just tainted opinions which you perceive as foul play but I won't go into why. The quote above is another one. You surely can ask Gig what he thinks of my play- I was quite shocked to read in a game that he thought I was better than both Rashid and Poo. Anyhow, if you would actually think about why things happen you could figure out the reason for dropping a game or not. But then again, you don't play.. just rail.

I don't recall the exact game, but I'm sure it had to do with ignore lists. Unlike Gig, I don't join more than one speed game at a time. We join games to see which one will fill faster- countless games by Prank and others they will drop so I can get in the lineup because of my ignore list and vice versa.

I bet Gig joined the game as soon as he realized it would fill sooner than the one you're referring to? When I enter a game, my mindset will always be the same- I'm going to win if dice doesn't screw me or get suicided on. This brings me back to Pranks post on why Bruce has a hard time killing me. It's no surprise the best players in the lineup are last to be killed if at all. It's very difficult because they have the highest army count among other reasons.

[maxatstuy]

Bruce-

Scott has made over 3700 times the amount of points in those games than you

and I find it funny that you say he is over 3000 points ahead of you when you are the reason he has won 3700 of the points

Edited for clarity

[Scott-Land]

Where's the OP- KingofGods?

[InsomniaRed]

Where's the OP- KingofGods?

He's right above you...

[Bruceswar]

Where's the OP- KingofGods?

MIA - He has been for awhile now... Doubt he will make another post as he has only posted 11 times total, in all his CC Life.

[lord voldemort]

wow...well i know cheating or secret alliances simply arent in scotts character.
he is quite simply a much better player than most...
the reason scott doesnt get killed by bruce red etc is cause he doesnt let himself et put in that situation
the times they do kill him (i havent checked) im willing to bet most were of lil falt of him or he was finally just beaten (those slim times when it happens)
hence scott does kill people alot case he is quite simply ridiculously good at 8 man free. i mean look at my games he kills me most...i simply cant match his speed and skill. yet i have been a colonel. i did not get my points from these games...

[Prankcall]

I can confirm we worked around ignore lists in order for a game to fill faster.

[Georgerx7di]

MIGHT i MAKE A SUGGESTION. In freestyle speed 8 player, skilled players can have a much higher winning percentage then in seq, casual 6 player say. I think that you will find many other players who scott has a 40-50% win percentage against in freestyle speed. Infact I think prank is one of them. So if this is true, and im not going to sit on map rank for 3 hours to find others, then we must conclude 1 of 2 things. 1. All those other people also love scott and are cheating to help him win. Or, 2. I'm right and the win percentages are simply different, (higher for more skilled players) then we're used too.

George

[DAT_WAT_SHE_SAID]

Out of all the 35 8 player escalating games i have been in with bruce and scott there has been no--absolutely none--evidence to show scott and bruce have secret alliances!Sure you can say scott hardly gets elimanated by bruce, but its not because of cheating its just because most of the time bruce CANT eliminate him.Scott-Land is the best escalating player in my opinion hands down, also he has the upmost respect for the rules and i have never seen him break them--ever.

[FabledIntegral]

FabledIntegral - Classic Colonel +1563 Won 26 from 78(33%) [when playing with Scott-land]
Scott-land - Classic Sergeant 1st Class +417 Won 25 from 78(32%) [when playing with FabledIntegral]

Well we obviously throw the games for each other, considering one of us win 2/3 of the time when playing together. Hell - if I can't win, you'll be sure I'll throw the game to Scott, and vice versa.



In case you can't figure out the point of this post, it means that map rank statistics can be twisted no matter what the results are, as harmless as they may appear.

[mibi]

burn.

[Scott-Land]

Another Classic example ( no disrespect Bruce):

I railed a bit of an 8 man speed game tonight because the lineup was pretty deep. Interestingly enough Bruce had cashed and Skiller was blocked off in Aussie with a stack of gray at the gates- no shot at Skiller and no possibility of anyone turning with a kill. Standard two turn set up for the next go. Instead, Bruce decides to take a shot at gray with 1 card leaving him half dead although a good chance at a set with 4 cards the next go.

Here's the chat: Game 3224005

2008-09-08 22:16:08 - Prankcall: wtf Bruce?
2008-09-08 22:16:12 - Prankcall: What ahppened
2008-09-08 22:16:17 - Prankcall: why did you kill Grey?
2008-09-08 22:16:21 - Prankcall: Very bad move

If I were in the game, it would've meant that Bruce made that play to hand Scott an easy sweep ? This is exactly the things that happen in those games- change the equation and put me in the lineup then it's misconstrued. It becomes Bruce giving me games, Bruce doesn't block, Bruce attacks so Scott can win. In this example, Bruce kills Gray for 1 card so Yellow can sweep.

[Bruceswar]

Yep I will admit I thought I could catch gray ending last few seconds of the round. I killed him with 1 or 2 secs left. Everybody ended. I was the only one left wondering what the F happened. I could have sworn I was gonna get 2 more cards and be assured of having 5 cards next turn. What a deep lineup indeed. Turns out gray was the only one in this lineup to see what was about to happen, as every last one of them ended but him (Drats). I had to make it quick or my plan was failed. Yep for once in my life I beat the clock. - New Found speed. I still got slammed for the play which gave me 4 cards, after ending. Soo it turned out I had 2 pair, but managed to live a whole round by a bit of bluffing and also running. - Again new found speed. Well with 5 cards I made a play on a player with 4 cards. He had 2 pair. This was after me cashing. Now with 6 cards it was down to 2 of us as Skillerman was killed by yellow. I killed most of him and left him with 3 cards vs my 4. Turns out other player gets a 3 card set. I get the auto off and win the game. Sure I made mistakes, but with the new speed I was able to make up for some of them. As scott said this is a game of steals and more steals.

[Prankcall]

*George* You dont have to run map rank I did it for you,in the 324 games me and Scott have played (8 man speed freestyle) on Classic map I have won 92 of those to his 84.Not sure where you are getting your numbers but maybe your map rank shows something different than mine,26% is not even close to 40-50%.I'm glad I seen you just post this Scott.That was after Bruce got them to end their turns making that a retarded move still but he was in no danger of any1 stealing anything there except the game if he landed on 2p(which he did) he may have banked on grey giving him another card therfore equaling 4(5) when he ended.2.He thought he wouldnt hit 2p. you shoulda thrown this in there too- 2008-09-09 05:15:02 - magoya gets a card-2008-09-09 05:15:04 - demonfork gets a card-2008-09-09 05:15:04 - skillerman gets a card-2008-09-09 05:15:05 - Bruceswar attacked China from Ural and conquered it from demonfork
2008-09-09 05:15:07 - Bruceswar attacked Siam from China and conquered it from Zulkas
2008-09-09 05:15:09 - Bruceswar attacked Indonesia from Siam and conquered it from Zulkas
2008-09-09 05:15:09 - Bruceswar eliminated Zulkas from the game
2008-09-09 05:17:30 - Bruceswar gets a card

[Scott-Land]

Surely this isn't on topic Bruce? I used the example to cite Prank's opinion of your play...and how he recognizes your mistakes but disregards it when you're in the same game as me. That's what they are- just mistakes.

[Robinette]

Is evidence really necessary in this courtroom?

Can we just get to the verdict already...

[Bruceswar]

Surely this isn't on topic Bruce? I used the example to cite Prank's opinion of your play...and how he recognizes your mistakes but disregards it when you're in the same game as me. That's what they are- just mistakes.

I see what you are getting at. I made a bad one, by thinking slate would end. Nearly cost me the game. Ugh.. Anyhow I am sure I will make many more of them..

[Nephilim]

i would hate to be the poor soul who has to investigate this......

*head explodes at the thought of it*

[Scott-Land]

i would hate to be the poor soul who has to investigate this......

*head explodes at the thought of it*

It shouldn't be difficult- there's nothing there. I conducted no secret diplomacy with Bruce or anyone; before, during, or after any games via pms or any other method ever. It's just an attempt to taint me and my rank- a vendetta.

[alster]

It shouldn't be difficult- there's nothing there. I conducted no secret diplomacy with Bruce or anyone; before, during, or after any games via pms or any other method ever. It's just an attempt to taint me and my rank- a vendetta.

I would be surprised if there was anything to this. However, it raises an interesting aspect regarding circumstantial evidence: How much statistics/many examples are needed to draw the conclusion that rule # 2 has been breached? What level of "proof" is needed? (Admittedly I haven't bothered to even look at the games as the accusation seems to be too silly.) And in what way is that level of “proof” affected by the identity of the players being accused? Also: can rule # 2 be breached simply by a tacit understanding, or must some level of intent be showed?

[Bruceswar]

Alstergren, I think this can be look at from 2 angles.

1. The OP, was just put on a big block list, due to maxatstuy. I am sure you saw the thread.

2. Sour grapes towards 1st place. Their have always been people who envy number 1.

As scott stated, he does not conduct secret alliances with anybody. He has no need or want to, nor do I. Just sour grapes, from Max is all this is. The mods will surely prove this.

P.S. Notice how he did not include my name in the title to make it look less like retaliation?

[comic boy]

So to sum up ;

We have an accusation from a player whose account can be accessed by Max who has a grudge against the accused.
Max, who has been censored for his game abuse, is the main witness for the prosecution even though he hasnt in fact got any first hand experience of playing games with Scott.
Whump, whose contributions on this thread nicely sum up his level of inteligence and bias, is another ace for the prosecution despite being banned from Scotts games because he is so hopeless.
The defence case is based solely on the evidence of a string of top players who assert that Scott is totaly innocent of cheating, these players it must be noted actually do play with the accused on a regular basis.
Clearly the only sane conclusion is that Scott is guilty as hell and my firm advice is for him to run away before the execution ( it would be a nice Irony if Bruce did the actual hanging )