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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:52 pm

by pamoa on Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:37 pm

Maybe just make one diagonal stroke for N.Italy inset and it will be nicer.
I know you do the swiss cross like it is in western front map.
I couldn't be against it at that time, I was not playing CC, didn't know it exist.
Why putting it normal, because like this it's looking like an X and it is really hurtingg my swiss eyes... .
Please can you do it for a little swiss man on the top of his mountain

You dont like North italy inset now? What is wrong with these shape?

Ok i will put suise in normal,
What you think pamoa,do we need pool for small and large V in map. Do you think that these issue is some big problem or not?
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby gimil on Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:36 am

The legends are a million time better, well done qwert =D>

However I believe you still haven't addressed my concerns to the inconsistant borders and the white stroke around the territory names.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby pamoa on Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:35 am

About N.Italy inset I was just saying it could be more simple, you just a simple rectangle. I know you tend to make legend and inset with cutted angle and so on.
It's not important but graphically I don't really like it, but it's kind of your own personnal style... so it's up to you ;)

About names, I must say it's okay like it is now "UK VL VB VR SA".
Small letters are adding noise to a map which really doesn't need it!

About gimil concerns on borders and letters white glow, despite it also is kind of your personnal style,
maybe they can be a bit thinner, just like river black border...
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:12 am

by pamoa on Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:35 am

About N.Italy inset I was just saying it could be more simple, you just a simple rectangle. I know you tend to make legend and inset with cutted angle and so on.
It's not important but graphically I don't really like it, but it's kind of your own personnal style... so it's up to you

About names, I must say it's okay like it is now "UK VL VB VR SA".
Small letters are adding noise to a map which really doesn't need it!

About gimil concerns on borders and letters white glow, despite it also is kind of your personnal style,
maybe they can be a bit thinner, just like river black border...

thanks for understanding pamoa. Next update will be with normal suisse flag.

by gimil on Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:36 am

The legends are a million time better, well done qwert

However I believe you still haven't addressed my concerns to the inconsistant borders and the white stroke around the territory names.

Aim all ready reply to these post. I must say that you are not participiate in these topic so much,and all your post is been quit negative (with hard heart you give me password for main map foundry).From begining you refuse all mine atempt to create map aceptabile for people, and now you find that borders is not inconsistand and that i must erase all borders and draw from begining(these is your words). I have for last several weeks very high and good cooperation with PAMOA,IT ODBALL ,Androidz. He give sugestion who can be aceptabile,but also understand when i can not accept some sugestion. Aim experiment with many diferent text styles and find that these is best,because is most good readabile,and that they need to have these stroke for visiability. I understand that you must be in right,but sometime you must acept mine answer and apply what aim say. I dont want to say that aim refuse all yours sugestion(sugestion with take extra px i accept and redesign legend).

Yeti-when i look these two option,i must say that i realy dont see any valid reason why is small v better then large V. These are where VB-VL and VR is present i dont get any free space when i put small v,and its even short visiability with small v. Still i dont understand what i get with small v,can you give me more explanation why is small v better then large V.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby asl80 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:15 am

just quickly ... well done on the update qwert, looking real scmick! as some weirdos say from time to time

- i aggree with yeti c that vL etc is more appropriate and common (at least in english, i.e. they would be spelt in full as von Leeb, von Rundstead etc., not Von Leeb, Von Rundstead etc.) ... and i think it looks better too (this could possibly be represented in the legend too)
Also, it helps to differentiate the lettering of these sections from those on either side of it, just a bit, but a handy bit considering the necessary complexity of the map, visually.

- i don't think you need to redraw the borders, grossly unfair, they are fine.

- you've got too much free space on this map, maybe take 50px from each side, scale it all down, and squeeze it in some how, hehe, just joking for the record. (but seriously - i think some stuff in russia would help make it look not so much like empty space, which it is, and also, the flag/star/red patch mostly just stands out so much, seems so prominent, in contrast to all the other flags and graphics it is too overpowering and attracts lots of attention away from the rest of the map when looked at as a whole). this is not essential of course

- i don't think i like the flames on the title (not sure how long they've been there) but they look a little tacky and out of place (i don't know if you guys had the little toy cars when you were kids too - which i can't remember the name for them now, hotrods or something - but the flames remind me of them)

good work, keep it up.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby rustlemania on Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:33 am

Excellent work Qwert. I'm a big fan of your maps, and i really can't wait to play on this one.

Just to give my thoughts:
I also like the small v, for the same reasons as above... but I don't think its critical to the map, so I'd be willing to live without that.

As far as the borders go, I think that re-doing all of them is cruel and unnecessary. However, I do think that the borders in Poland, the Balkans, and maybe Central Europe could be cleaned up a little bit. They look too jagged/pixelated to me. All the others seem fine I think. And I think if you clean those few up a bit, make them neater, then hopefully others would see that the rest aren't bad, and the map as a whole would look better. Just my thoughts.

Also, I agree that the country names might look nicer if the white outline was a little thinner, but if you say you've tried and it didn't work, then I'll take your word for it.

Keep up the great work!
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:09 pm

by asl80 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:15 pm

just quickly ... well done on the update qwert, looking real scmick! as some weirdos say from time to time

- i aggree with yeti c that vL etc is more appropriate and common (at least in english, i.e. they would be spelt in full as von Leeb, von Rundstead etc., not Von Leeb, Von Rundstead etc.) ... and i think it looks better too (this could possibly be represented in the legend too)
Also, it helps to differentiate the lettering of these sections from those on either side of it, just a bit, but a handy bit considering the necessary complexity of the map, visually.

- i don't think you need to redraw the borders, grossly unfair, they are fine.

- you've got too much free space on this map, maybe take 50px from each side, scale it all down, and squeeze it in some how, hehe, just joking for the record. (but seriously - i think some stuff in russia would help make it look not so much like empty space, which it is, and also, the flag/star/red patch mostly just stands out so much, seems so prominent, in contrast to all the other flags and graphics it is too overpowering and attracts lots of attention away from the rest of the map when looked at as a whole). this is not essential of course

- i don't think i like the flames on the title (not sure how long they've been there) but they look a little tacky and out of place (i don't know if you guys had the little toy cars when you were kids too - which i can't remember the name for them now, hotrods or something - but the flames remind me of them)

good work, keep it up.

Well for now i get only one reason why must be small v instead large V,and these is pure language reason(von Leeb is writen with small v), i realy dont think that someon can mistake with large V,but if you want to be small then ok, i dont mine,i only have concerne that some other people will say that visualy and readabile is best large V.
Flames is from begining(look date of begining + one month) and so far nobody have any complaining abouth that.

by rustlemania on Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:33 pm

Excellent work Qwert. I'm a big fan of your maps, and i really can't wait to play on this one.

Just to give my thoughts:
I also like the small v, for the same reasons as above... but I don't think its critical to the map, so I'd be willing to live without that.

As far as the borders go, I think that re-doing all of them is cruel and unnecessary. However, I do think that the borders in Poland, the Balkans, and maybe Central Europe could be cleaned up a little bit. They look too jagged/pixelated to me. All the others seem fine I think. And I think if you clean those few up a bit, make them neater, then hopefully others would see that the rest aren't bad, and the map as a whole would look better. Just my thoughts.

Also, I agree that the country names might look nicer if the white outline was a little thinner, but if you say you've tried and it didn't work, then I'll take your word for it.

Keep up the great work!

So you think that Gimil exagerated when ask for redraw all borders? I will very careful examine all map and decide if borders on poland,balkan and central europe need to be work.

Map have darken colours,and when you decrease outline names become not readabile,and i put what is best,and thanks for you belive in that.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby rustlemania on Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:14 pm

yes, i think gimil may have exaggerated a little bit (no offense gimil). but if you look closely, there is a big difference in the quality of the borders in balkans, and poland, than anywhere in the eastern front for instance. the borders in the eastern front just look much smoother.... and more smooth borders looks better.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:58 am

new update_
-remove flames in tittle
-put all small v
-add baltic sea
-redraw borders central campaign
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Now its these again bad,then i realy can not do nothing with borders.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby pamoa on Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:43 am

Thanks a lot for my dear cross... :)
I just thought you might put Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad names on the map so russia don't feel so "empty".

Anyway I think this map deserve both graphic and gameplay stamps, and I'm offically asking for you
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby t-o-m on Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:59 am

This has probably been mentioned in the thread somewhere, and i havnt read it all, but why is there a "WTF" at the bottom of the map?
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:18 pm

by pamoa on Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:43 pm

Thanks a lot for my dear cross...
I just thought you might put Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad names on the map so russia don't feel so "empty".

Anyway I think this map deserve both graphic and gameplay stamps, and I'm offically asking for you

Are you think that you have these power to ask? :-k

by t-o-m on Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:59 pm

This has probably been mentioned in the thread somewhere, and i havnt read it all, but why is there a "WTF" at the bottom of the map?

These is valid words-look north italy inset.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby rustlemania on Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:49 pm

WTF stands for Western Task Force (right Qwert?) on the map....
Qwert, people keep asking because (at least in the U.S.) WTF also stands for "What the F*ck?" Americans tend to find it funny to see WTF anywhere.

I think the borders look much better!
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:58 pm

Well i know that they ask,but WTF not mean these words. I can find several other means
Where Torpedo Fly
Why Tigres Fight
Who Throw Fish
and we can open special topic abouth what WTF means. :mrgreen:
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby yeti_c on Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:08 pm

WTF - can also mean...

Who The f*ck
Where The f*ck
When The f*ck...

Not just "What The f*ck"...

It's a great acronym - but sometimes you need to makesure your context is clear.

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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:45 pm

by yeti_c on Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:08 pm

WTF - can also mean...

Who The f*ck
Where The f*ck
When The f*ck...

Not just "What The f*ck"...

It's a great acronym - but sometimes you need to makesure your context is clear.


It is possible that in america WTF only mean these words? Maybe in electronic factory mean some piece of eletronic?
Well i belive that people dont think that in these map WTF means that bad words. Any way these is not issue here,because mod will never alove these abbreviation if mean these word. ;). These is international site, and meaning of these abbreviation is definitly not "What the F**K". ;)
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:06 pm

Great search Yeti, now these WTF have double confirmation. 8-) =D>
http://www.acronymfinder.com/WTF.html

Wave to Friends *
Winthrop Terminal Facility *
Wow Thats Funky *
Whoopdedoo Text Format *
Wilderness Task Force *
Warcraft Text File *
Weird Things Found *
Western Task Force *
What the Foobar *
Willow Twig Fence *
World Team Francophone *
Whos the Fairest *
Watch Text File *
Watchdog Timer Failure
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Androidz on Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:11 pm

When italia suddenly get attacked from france im sure they think: WTF!!! Why now!!! so WTF is great!!!
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-46 update 3sep-NEW MAJOR UPDATE!!(idea)

Postby gimil on Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:35 pm

qwert wrote:Aim all ready reply to these post. I must say that you are not participiate in these topic so much,and all your post is been quit negative (with hard heart you give me password for main map foundry).From begining you refuse all mine atempt to create map aceptabile for people, and now you find that borders is not inconsistand and that i must erase all borders and draw from begining(these is your words). I have for last several weeks very high and good cooperation with PAMOA,IT ODBALL ,Androidz. He give sugestion who can be aceptabile,but also understand when i can not accept some sugestion. Aim experiment with many diferent text styles and find that these is best,because is most good readabile,and that they need to have these stroke for visiability. I understand that you must be in right,but sometime you must acept mine answer and apply what aim say. I dont want to say that aim refuse all yours sugestion(sugestion with take extra px i accept and redesign legend).


All due respect qwert but I feel that in order to get you to listen I have to be straight talking (negative) with you.

I don't dislike your maps, but there was (and still are) alot of fundamental flaws that are present in this map that you have to address, just like anyone else if they should have the same similar issues (cramped legends, inconsistant borders etc).

You complain that I never come into your threads, this is why. You believe that everything negative is a personal attack on you,but in truth you need to learn to take constructive critisim for what it is, constructed critisim.

So what do you say we put the stupid shit behind us and and start taking this map in the right direction?
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:44 pm

Gimil
1. Preety much all your borders are inconsistant, well thats putting it nice. I feel they are a mess. Some are blurred, some are sharp, some are bigger than others, some are rather jaggared looking. I think they all need to be redrew from scratch.

Are you call these "constructive critisim" .What aim must think after these constructive sugestion?
So what do you say we put the stupid shit behind us and and start taking this map in the right direction?

Problem is that to many things on these map is for you in mess,and not look good, and i can not see these "big problems" what you see on these map.
You have very extreme sugestions. Also problem is,when other people accept mine explanation,you dont accept,so how can we work when you dont accept what aim say,and i must accept all things what you say.
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby gimil on Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:24 pm

So far as I have seem qwert, people have been agreeing with what I have to say. If you can't "see" it after I expalin what the problem is, then thats not my fault.

My feedback generally tells you what I feel it wrong, why I feel its wrong and what I would suggest to fix it, is that not constructive?
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:11 am

by gimil on Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:24 am

So far as I have seem qwert, people have been agreeing with what I have to say. If you can't "see" it after I expalin what the problem is, then thats not my fault.

My feedback generally tells you what I feel it wrong, why I feel its wrong and what I would suggest to fix it, is that not constructive?

Can i tell that borders is ok now? Do you accept that?
Ofcourse that these is not your fault,because you are mod ,and you oppinion is worth more then regular people. Even if you are not right, you have more power then other.
Now you say people agree with what you say.

by rustlemania on Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:33 pm

Excellent work Qwert. I'm a big fan of your maps, and i really can't wait to play on this one.

J

As far as the borders go, I think that re-doing all of them is cruel and unnecessary. However, I do think that the borders in Poland, the Balkans, and maybe Central Europe could be cleaned up a little bit. They look too jagged/pixelated to me. All the others seem fine I think. And I think if you clean those few up a bit, make them neater, then hopefully others would see that the rest aren't bad, and the map as a whole would look better.
by rustlemania on Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:14 am

yes, i think gimil may have exaggerated a little bit (no offense gimil). but if you look closely, there is a big difference in the quality of the borders in balkans, and poland, than anywhere in the eastern front for instance. the borders in the eastern front just look much smoother.... and more smooth borders looks better.

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by rustlemania on Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:49 pm

WTF stands for Western Task Force (right Qwert?) on the map....
Qwert, people keep asking because (at least in the U.S.) WTF also stands for "What the F*ck?" Americans tend to find it funny to see WTF anywhere.

I think the borders look much better!
Nice job!

I must say that i dont find people who complete agree with you -that i must erase all borders and to draw new. I must say also that borders for other people is not issue,but aim afraid that you will find supporters for these your erase idea,and that we will bloking these map,because you belive that you are right and that aim a wrong.
So what will going to do now?
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby pamoa on Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:33 am

qwert, just a question on what software are you working ?
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Re: WWII EUROPE(page1-48) update 6sep-NEW UPDATE!*!(idea)

Postby Qwert on Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:41 am

by pamoa on Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:33 pm

qwert, just a question on what software are you working ?


Why you ask?
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