blackraptor58,Jeff Hardy [cleared]

[mdrocker]

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Accused:
blackraptor58
Jeff hardy




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse
Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):

Game 3147827
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Comments:

[blakebowling]

Accused:
blackraptor58
Jeff hardy




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse
Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):

Game 3147827



Comments:

You didn't fill out the form, it should look like I have it above, with only what they are being accused of.

AND

You must have more than one game to bust someone, there's hardly any proof anymore, and people are accusing random people, or someone that they loose too just because they lost, there needs to be some kind of punishment for reports of persons that are clearly not multis.

EDIT: After reading the game log (I usually don't read them unless the form is correct) what black and Jeff did IS NOT multiple accounts or Secret Diplomacy, however it is Account Sitting Abuse.

[t-o-m]

Blake

A) The forms dont need quoting, that just makes the page loger and harder for mods, and we all know what you were talking about
B) Before trying to get the 1st post on every thread, read the chat log and work it out.

Accused:
blackraptor58
Jeff hardy




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse
Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):

Game 3147827



Comments:

You didn't fill out the form, it should look like I have it above, with only what they are being accused of.

AND

You must have more than one game to bust someone, there's hardly any proof anymore, and people are accusing random people, or someone that they loose too just because they lost, there needs to be some kind of punishment for reports of persons that are clearly not multis.

[Jeff Hardy]

SEVERE PM ABUSE IN A TEAM GAME???
WTF???

[blakebowling]

Blake

A) The forms dont need quoting, that just makes the page loger and harder for mods, and we all know what you were talking about
B) Before trying to get the 1st post on every thread, read the chat log and work it out.

tom,
1. I didn't quote the form for no reason, I quoted it because I edited part of it for him.

2. I don't try and get the first post on every thread, nor the second (it was, in fact the second), I try to help the community, and I post when I see the topic.

[Jeff Hardy]

everyone knows were not multis
also im from austria and hes from america
mdrocker, think before you write

[LB Ninja]

theres no way these two are multis....
i play games and talk on chat with them all the time....
black just had to go so he didnt want to leave jeff hanging in a speed game so Jeff played for both....
and plus one is from Austria and the other is from the US

[Jeff Hardy]

it was a freestyle speed game so if anything i had a disadvantage playing both
it certainly wasnt abusing anything

[blakebowling]

it was a freestyle speed game so if anything i had a disadvantage playing both
it certainly wasnt abusing anything

he was chatting while you were playing the game, meaning he could have played his turns

[Jeff Hardy]

it was a freestyle speed game so if anything i had a disadvantage playing both
it certainly wasnt abusing anything

he was chatting while you were playing the game, meaning he could have played his turns

no because he was doing other stuff too

freestyle speed games require attention all the time and if hes getting ready to go on holiday while playing we could lose

we did absolutely nothing wrong

[t-o-m]

Blake

A) The forms dont need quoting, that just makes the page loger and harder for mods, and we all know what you were talking about
B) Before trying to get the 1st post on every thread, read the chat log and work it out.

tom,
1. I didn't quote the form for no reason, I quoted it because I edited part of it for him.

2. I don't try and get the first post on every thread, nor the second (it was, in fact the second), I try to help the community, and I post when I see the topic.

You try to help the community by spamming C&A threads with useless comments?

[blakebowling]

Blake

A) The forms dont need quoting, that just makes the page loger and harder for mods, and we all know what you were talking about
B) Before trying to get the 1st post on every thread, read the chat log and work it out.

tom,
1. I didn't quote the form for no reason, I quoted it because I edited part of it for him.

2. I don't try and get the first post on every thread, nor the second (it was, in fact the second), I try to help the community, and I post when I see the topic.

You try to help the community by spamming C&A threads with useless comments?

useless comments? You're the one that started those

[cena-rules]

Blake

A) The forms dont need quoting, that just makes the page loger and harder for mods, and we all know what you were talking about
B) Before trying to get the 1st post on every thread, read the chat log and work it out.

tom,
1. I didn't quote the form for no reason, I quoted it because I edited part of it for him.

2. I don't try and get the first post on every thread, nor the second (it was, in fact the second), I try to help the community, and I post when I see the topic.

You try to help the community by spamming C&A threads with useless comments?

useless comments? You're the one that started those

break it up youre in the same clan no arguing

I can tell you for a fact that jeff and black arent multis

[Frop]

Blake, t-o-m, please piss off with your childish bickering and pretentious drivel, you're spamming up the thread.

On topic - judging by the gamelog (time between actions) it was indeed just one person throughout the whole game playing for both accounts. The claim that blackraptor58 was next to Jeff Hardy can't be verified (and doesn't really matter at all), so right now it's looking like babysitting abuse/account hijacking.

[blakebowling]

Blake, t-o-m, please piss off with your childish bickering and pretentious drivel, you're spamming up the thread.

On topic - judging by the gamelog (time between actions) it was indeed just one person throughout the whole game playing for both accounts. The claim that blackraptor58 was next to Jeff Hardy can't be verified (and doesn't really matter at all), so right now it's looking like babysitting abuse/account hijacking.

may I remind you who started it?

and, like frop said, Judging by the gamelog, it was one person, after about the third or fourth round, I was assuming that black started the game, and then let Jeff Hardy finish it (which would mean hijacking is out),


also, like many people have said, they're not multi's, I know that, but they did break the rules

[Jeff Hardy]

On topic - judging by the gamelog (time between actions) it was indeed just one person throughout the whole game playing for both accounts. The claim that blackraptor58 was next to Jeff Hardy can't be verified (and doesn't really matter at all), so right now it's looking like babysitting abuse/account hijacking.

it was babysitting but certainly not abuse
like i said before... you have a disadvantage playing for both in a freestyle speed game
and when he comes back you can ask him... i didnt start the game i only played for him which is allowed
he started/joined it then realized he couldnt be there the full time so i played
this is allowed and its not the first time ive done it
for example two days ago i was in two freestyle speed games so i let prankcall play one for me

and, like frop said, Judging by the gamelog, it was one person, after about the third or fourth round, I was assuming that black started the game, and then let Jeff Hardy finish it (which would mean hijacking is out),



also, like many people have said, they're not multi's, I know that, but they did break the rules

i never claimed it wasnt one person
but it is not against the rules to play for a teammate, only for an opponent because you might throw the game to yourself... does that make sence?

[nemrehs1]

blackraptor58 is my friend in real life and i no Jeff Hardy isnt his multi

[GrimReaper.]

yeah and they were on the same team

[FabledIntegral]

You can play for a teammate? I didn't know that... then again what do I know about team games.

[Jeff Hardy]

You can play for a teammate? I didn't know that... then again what do I know about team games.

the rule that you cant sit for another person in the same game as you is to stop people losing and making bad moves on purpose and stuff

[blakebowling]

You can play for a teammate? I didn't know that... then again what do I know about team games.

the rule that you cant sit for another person in the same game as you is to stop people losing and making bad moves on purpose and stuff

no, the rule states that you can't play for someone that is competing against you, teammates aren't competing against you, so it's ok

but, if blackraptor58 was able to take his turns, then it is account sitting abuse (as the chat shows black talking on his account)

[again, I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, I'm just stating the rules]

[daydream]

On topic - judging by the gamelog (time between actions) it was indeed just one person throughout the whole game playing for both accounts. The claim that blackraptor58 was next to Jeff Hardy can't be verified (and doesn't really matter at all), so right now it's looking like babysitting abuse/account hijacking.

it was babysitting but certainly not abuse
like i said before... you have a disadvantage playing for both in a freestyle speed game
and when he comes back you can ask him... i didnt start the game i only played for him which is allowed
he started/joined it then realized he couldnt be there the full time so i played
this is allowed and its not the first time ive done it
for example two days ago i was in two freestyle speed games so i let prankcall play one for me

and, like frop said, Judging by the gamelog, it was one person, after about the third or fourth round, I was assuming that black started the game, and then let Jeff Hardy finish it (which would mean hijacking is out),



also, like many people have said, they're not multi's, I know that, but they did break the rules

i never claimed it wasnt one person
but it is not against the rules to play for a teammate, only for an opponent because you might throw the game to yourself... does that make sence?

could you show me that rule? no, of course not. because its not written out anywhere. now from personal experience and a lot of discussion i know a few things:
a) they were at a point working on writing out exact babysitting rules. the rules where supposed to be changed to "you may not babysit an account that is in the same game as you". that includes teamgames. they then decided not to implement that before there would be a real babysitting system implemented into the site as far as i know.
b) commonly it is not a problem if you babysit your mates account in games where either 1. you arent playing or 2. sequential teamgames. in freesstyle, you get the advantage of being able to same-time by babysitting, and therefore it is usually considered abuse.
c) if the player you are sitting for is loged in at the same time and posts in chat... come on. i dont need to say more. if he has other things to do, then he shouldnt start a speedgame. i know, things come up, but then you wont be able to watch the game and post in gamechat. if he was at his computer doing other things and could only give the game 50% of his attention, then tough shit, he only will be playing 50%, it does not warrant you to play his turns.

[Jeff Hardy]

"b) commonly it is not a problem if you babysit your mates account in games where either 1. you arent playing or 2. sequential teamgames. in freesstyle, you get the advantage of being able to same-time by babysitting, and therefore it is usually considered abuse."

you dont get shit in freestyle speed games because everyone is playing at the same time anyway

[king achilles]

blackraptor58 and Jeff Hardy are cleared of being multis with each other. There is no secret diplomacy issue between them in this team game 3147827.

As for an account sitting abuse, if we receive more reports that one of them suddenly account sits the other in more freestyle games, or if we see more data that these two have been taking turns for each other more frequently (mysteriously), especially in more freestyle games, we can no longer consider this as just a simple account sitting, but more of gaining a tactical advantage, which is no longer the essence of having someone to take your turn.

[Jeff Hardy]

cleared...
should hope so