ricodynamite, Cpl. Chaos [noted]

by **conquersmart** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:10 pm

Accused:

ricodynamite
Cpl. Chaos

The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy (100% sure)
Being Multis (not sure, said in chat they have offices next door to each other)

Game number(s):

3104542

Comments: In a 3 player game these 2 totally worked together as they know each other offline, and did this completely unannounced. Having just signed up they have just read the rules and chose to completely disobey them with no respect. Furthermore, they chose to make a joke out of this in the chat room. This has severely wrecked the game experience for myself and I will not be pleased unless their accounts are deleted and my score reversed. Thank you.

by **lancehoch** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:13 pm

CC does not delete games unless there was a fault on its part (ie server crash). Your score will not be changed either, for the same reason. Honestly, if you think you are better than your current score, this will help you. You will be able to get more points in subsequent games and will wind up in the same spot anyway.

by **Frop** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:16 pm

If it's a multi and they're busted one of the accounts will be able to remain active. If they're conducting secret diplomacy they might be blocked, but that rarely happens after one game. CC will definitely not delete that game and refund you your points though, that only happens when the site's having severe issues.

by **conquersmart** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:21 pm

this policy should be changed in my opinion: cheaters should not have an impact on the game, they should be removed completely

further, if you read the game chat, it is quite clear what they have done

in fact, i am going to report to other accounts which are involved

and on the points issue, i play to have a high % of games won, not for points

by **lancehoch** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:27 pm

But the thing is, we would then have to go back and delete every game in which the player was involved. This would throw everyone's points and records out of whack. To be completely honest, it is rare to encounter a cheater, so if you lose one extra game, how much will that really affect your winning percentage in the long run?

by **conquersmart** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:28 pm

they've only played one gameso far and it's still being played - glad to see you've actually looked into this..............

by **lancehoch** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:30 pm

I am not the one who decides the merits of a cheating accusation. I am the person who keeps this forum under control. I am just telling you what the official stance is. But if we do it for you, then everyone will ask for the same treatment.

by **conquersmart** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:33 pm

well it's easy to do if you just delete the game from the history and have a code that will automatically adjust all individual player histories... very simple to do too

thx for your input

by *manimal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:56 pm

does this ? mark know to much?

by **alster** on Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:15 am

Accused:

ricodynamite
Cpl. Chaos

The accused are suspected of:

(Being multis)
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 3104542

Comments:

First, let’s quote the game chat:

2008-08-22 17:51:25 - conquersmart: no red
2008-08-22 17:51:36 - conquersmart: don't you see green/
2008-08-22 17:52:53 - conquersmart: wtf
2008-08-22 17:53:09 - conquersmart: you two are cheating
2008-08-22 17:57:13 - Cpl. Chaos: merely an alliance of convenience my unfortunate little friend
2008-08-22 17:57:15 - ricodynamite: you shouldn't have destroyed me in oceania, my friend
2008-08-22 17:57:39 - conquersmart: you are cheaters
2008-08-22 17:57:43 - conquersmart: both of you
2008-08-22 17:57:47 - conquersmart: you're the same person
2008-08-22 17:59:48 - Cpl. Chaos: no, were not, we do have offices next to each other
2008-08-22 18:00:25 - ricodynamite: and we pork a lot
2008-08-22 18:00:37 - ricodynamite: basically every day
2008-08-22 18:01:05 - conquersmart: faggots
2008-08-22 18:01:43 - conquersmart: play a doubles game
2008-08-22 18:03:30 - ricodynamite: you're being double teamed by fags.. what does that make you, buddy?
2008-08-22 18:03:42 - Cpl. Chaos: you're a fag...fag
2008-08-22 18:04:45 - conquersmart: Rule #2: No secret diplomacy
2008-08-22 18:05:19 - Cpl. Chaos: it's not secret, it's very public

Looking at the game log, ricodynamite and Cpl. Chaos seems to have taken Europe and North America then basically killing of conquersmart. Albeit the latter went for South America and Oceania, it seems so and so this game. Especially in light of the game chat. Had ricodynamite and Cpl. Chaos been located far apart, dunno if I would have filed this. It’s worth to be noted though I think. But, the last comment about their alliance being public, well, I don't see that in the game chat. Looks pretty obvious to me that these two friends teamed up on the third guy.

Perhaps a regular check into these two guys could also be in order. This, if for nothing else, as they seem to be playing/missing turns in tandem:

2008-08-22 18:21:59 - ricodynamite fortified Greenland with 7 armies from Ontario
2008-08-22 18:21:59 - Incrementing game to round 13
2008-08-23 18:21:59 - ricodynamite missed a turn
2008-08-23 18:21:59 - Cpl. Chaos missed a turn
2008-08-23 18:21:59 - Incrementing game to round 14
2008-08-24 18:21:59 - ricodynamite missed a turn
2008-08-24 18:21:59 - Cpl. Chaos missed a turn
2008-08-24 18:21:59 - Incrementing game to round 15
2008-08-25 18:00:06 - ricodynamite receives 5 armies for holding North America

by **lancehoch** on Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:06 am

Merged the two threads together.

by **blakebowling** on Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:34 am

*manimal wrote:does this ? mark know to much?

Twill's Multi

BTW: That's not how it works at all, when games are deleted, it is as if the game never happened (but sometimes it will throw the site into a vortex, and f*ck up speed games)

by **Vader_09** on Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:49 pm

I'm playing him right now and it's weird...it's a freestyle game, and he takes forever to take his turn. It took him like 2 minutes to take one spot that only had 1 guy on it. But no matter how long I wait to start my turn, whether it's a minute or 5 as soon as I start so does he. I can't even place my guys before he starts his turn. It's instant, but then he takes forever.

by **king achilles** on Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:32 am

Looking at the game chat from Game 3104542, it looks as though they did had an 'understanding' or appear to have some sort of alliance in that game, which there were no announcements made. However, it is still not concrete enough to mark a block. So far, they have only played two games together. It is very possible, they do know each other in real life and this report is duly noted for future reference.