Maxatstuy [blocked]

[Bruceswar]

Tho reading Poo's arguments about the comments in Game 2406484. Even I can't argue Max's defence in that...

Here is another game like the one poo mentions... Game 2458802 Have a look.

2008-05-19 22:49:13 - Paddy The Cat: wow...I actually had good dice...amazing
2008-05-19 22:49:32 - Paddy The Cat: my dice are always terrible...really

As usual the [word]...[word] style of writing of max. This wasn't Paddy and it wasn't announced either.

Frop I was more referring to this comment...

2008-05-19 04:42:05 - maxatstuy: oh yeah, assassin played for me and I played for paddy two rounds ago

[maxatstuy]

Frop, if you are looking at that, you probably missed the point; read the game chat about 5 lines earlier, I stated that assassin played for me and I played for paddy. After that point paddy came back

[LFAW]

And the evidence to show Max took the abusing freestyle doubles turns can also be viewed as false. People do communicate while playing freestyle games to get the best advantage available. Even yesterday Scott, you and Rashid took 55 seconds to fortify a couple of armies... in your second game with LBNinja and Jeff Hardy to work out strategy, Who knows, perhaps Max was doing the same?

Just to clarify, not trying to argue against you...none the games in question that Max is being accused of are speed games, I believe. And the games you are talking about with Scott and Rashid, those were speed games. It's completely different when you have 5 minutes to take a turn and when you have 24 hours. Bruce was pointing out how suspicious the order of turns was in many of these games. Since no one can see the game chat except for Max and his partner, we have no way of knowing what was going on.

Insom,
Firstly, who takes 40 seconds to log out and log in again? Takes me about 5 seconds and its not like you can say that Max has a slow pc as we know thats not true nor can you argue and say Max is stupid enough to take 40 seconds to continue a plan he formulated himself
Secondly, casual games are supposed to be casual games... if Paddy and Max wanted they could take turns on all their games while occasionaly turning back to that game to make their next part of their turn.

Another option is that they were involved in talking about strategy. As i've said before Scott and Rashids game took 55 seconds for them to do anything and yes this was a speed game, but my point still stands.

2008-05-19 22:49:13 - Paddy The Cat: wow...I actually had good dice...amazing
2008-05-19 22:49:32 - Paddy The Cat: my dice are always terrible...really

As usual the [word]...[word] style of writing of max. This wasn't Paddy and it wasn't announced either.

Missed the point completely...

Oh and Bruce, I have had a look at the game and it is exactly the same as the other game. As highly respected players like Max, Paddy and King are there is no reason why this isn't just a rules misunderstanding. If 3 players babysat eachother what obvious benefit would there be? There is still the same number of players in the same game and although it may be against the rules now, back when the games in question were being played the rules were still extremely unclear.

Unless you can bring up another more recent example the mods (if they have any sense) will just note this down.

There has been no babysitting abuse other then the games above and even then that wasn't considered abuse at the time. Therefore please either bring up something more recent or stop being so pathetic. I mean who drags up someones first game as a reference to a secret alliance charge?
We all played like dicks, as did he (no offence max) in his first game.

Regards,
LFAW

[Bruceswar]

@ LFAW - You fail to miss the point. The point is you play your turns, as best as you can. You have 24 to make your move. (Assuming it is a casual game) In a freestyle doubles game taking your moves as a team can really give you an upper hand. This means playing at the same time. Now if your teammate is not around for a few hours it can be hard to get on at the same time for 2 people. Schedules, real life and others stuff come into play. Say you were the last team to make you move in round 2. You both logged on to take your move at the same time, so you could discuss strategy and make forts to each other, attack etc. OK anyhow player 1 from the first team goes meaning your team can now start. Well one player notices this and PM's the other player only to see he is not around right now. You know taking your move now could give you the upper hand as you are able to break the other person's bonus before he plays, so time is crucial. Anybody who plays freestyle will tell you timing is everything. This is where the account sitting abuse comes in. While your partner will be around sometime within the 24 time frame. He may not be around till 5 hours from now. During that time player 2 from the other team could move and thus take away some of the advantage you had. So you must play now. Well you are going to do it one way or another. With or without your partner.

Tactical Advantage, not about your partner missing turns.

[LFAW]

Bruce, i'm not stupid I understand what your accusing him of. But what proof have you got thats hes doing it on his own?
How do you know that Max did that?
You have no solid proof whatsoever. Everyone knows he could have but there is no proof he did it.
And before you say look at timing. Read what I said above.

LFAW

[FabledIntegral]

@ LFAW - You fail to miss the point.

uhhh....

[Bruceswar]

@ LFAW - You fail to miss the point.

uhhh....

Fable you of all people should know freestyle casual is all about timing. You have won countless singles 8 man freestyle due to the fact you were on at the right time. (I have not looked to check any other types) Now if you had not been on, and gave your password to a friend. He sees it is time for you to make a move, so he takes a turn for you and wins it, or gets you in a much better position. This is not in the spirit of the game. Those who play casual freestyle know you can loose a game while you sleep the night away, or win a game by staying up late. When you enter a game of this type you should know what you are getting into if you wish to win these at a regular basis.

[Bruceswar]

Bruce, i'm not stupid I understand what your accusing him of. But what proof have you got thats hes doing it on his own?
How do you know that Max did that?
You have no solid proof whatsoever. Everyone knows he could have but there is no proof he did it.
And before you say look at timing. Read what I said above.

LFAW

You do not ask for people's passwords, unless you wish to log into their accounts and or take moves for them. He has PM me in the past asking for some. Been to long ago to remember who. As scott said early he asked him as well. Not sure why he thinks any of us would know other people's passwords. He says somewhere here he watches people accounts to make sure they do not miss. To be honest it is the other person's account. If they miss a turn, it is their own fault, not Max's fault. A player should have no reason to log into someone account unless he or she is sitting a long period of time for him. At least 24 hours. Not just because the person is not around for a few hours here or there.

Edited to add the mods will surely be able to tell more than any of us can. They have tools we do not.

[FabledIntegral]

@ LFAW - You fail to miss the point.

uhhh....

Fable you of all people should know freestyle casual is all about timing. You have won countless singles 8 man freestyle due to the fact you were on at the right time. (I have not looked to check any other types) Now if you had not been on, and gave your password to a friend. He sees it is time for you to make a move, so he takes a turn for you and wins it, or gets you in a much better position. This is not in the spirit of the game. Those who play casual freestyle know you can loose a game while you sleep the night away, or win a game by staying up late. When you enter a game of this type you should know what you are getting into if you wish to win these at a regular basis.

I'm not getting into this at all. Notice I only quoted a certain part of your post. There is reason behind that...

[maxatstuy]

well I dont know about you Bruce, but I have FRIENDS on conquerclub, yes, I know, a foreign concept to you, and if paddy doesnt get on line soon, I will be logging into his account and playing his turns once again. I dont care if you have a problem with that, but it is the right thing to do. I play when i am needed and in those doubs games, after 23 hours of not being online, someone needs to play for you. It is not tactical advantage, it is playing the game.

[LFAW]

You do not ask for people's passwords, unless you wish to log into their accounts and or take moves for them. He has PM me in the past asking for some. Been to long ago to remember who. As scott said early he asked him as well. Not sure why he thinks any of us would know other people's passwords. He says somewhere here he watches people accounts to make sure they do not miss. To be honest it is the other person's account. If they miss a turn, it is their own fault, not Max's fault. A player should have no reason to log into someone account unless he or she is sitting a long period of time for him. At least 24 hours. Not just because the person is not around for a few hours here or there.

Edited to add the mods will surely be able to tell more than any of us can. They have tools we do not.

Bruce, lets be honest here as we are all adults (even though i'm not entirely sure about some people). This accusation is mostly spite towards Max, not a down hard fact based accusation.
The fact of the matter is Max is doing people a favour, the 5 or so people coming on here to stick up for him (who Max babysits) shows you that.

You have no proof he has been running 2 accounts at the same time to get any sort of tactical advantage and you tell me that it is the other persons fault if they miss a turn... yet I often can rely on my friends from CC to take my turns for me when I need them. Just this morning I needed to go out and DAT jumped in and completed my game for me.

The reason why Max asks for peoples passwords is he doesn't want to lose points. Quite often I ask people for their passwords if they are having either server trouble or something is wrong with their pc or anything else. How is this babysitting abuse? If their internet suddenly crashes in a middle of a speed game I know darn well if one of my friends is on I can text them and they will finish it. Similarly Paddy must have such trust in Max that he would let him take his turns for him without even asking.

I know darn well if I was going to miss a turn I would want it taken. As would everyone in CC except those too stubborn or too pathetic to see sense and understand not everyone can sit on CC 24/7 people have lives. And still there is no proof that Max would take a turn to get any sort of tactical advantage.

As i've said my mind is still open to evidence. Your just not supplying any.

LFAW

[Bruceswar]

You bring up speed game, comp issues etc. This is not what is at hand here. Just because I am not around the computer for 24 hours, that is not planned, does not mean that gives someone the right to take your moves. You asked DAT to take a move for you this morning. You had something in real life come up. We all do and that is fine. Point being is I do not log into other people's accounts to see if they are about to miss a turn or not. That is their account to worry about. I have mine, they have theirs. If they cannot be arsed to take a move within 24 hours, then maybe they should not be in games at this time, or beforehand request a sitter if you know you will be away for a few days. If you do not get a sitter in place, then we must assume you meant to play your turns for the day. Granted things can happen on the fly but for seemingly as many days as max states he has taken turns for people? I have always envisioned account sitting to be in case of a holiday, or emergency. Not just because player X is going to miss a turn.

[LFAW]

Thats great Bruce, but wheres this abuse your going on about?
Its up to people if they want Max sitting for them so what exactly are you accusing?



LFAW

[Bruceswar]

Thats great Bruce, but wheres this abuse your going on about?
Its up to people if they want Max sitting for them so what exactly are you accusing?



LFAW

A person can choose whoever they want to sit for them. Sitting does not mean checking their account daily to see if they are going to miss any turns. That is not what account sitting is about. Lets not try to spin this....

[LFAW]

But its not abuse either. Plus Paddy has chosen for Max to do this. Therefore i'm not spinning anyway, just showing you your accusation in this instance isn't even abuse...

LFAW

[Bruceswar]

But its not abuse either. Plus Paddy has chosen for Max to do this. Therefore i'm not spinning anyway, just showing you your accusation in this instance isn't even abuse...

LFAW

Paddy may have given him his password, and he may have asked him to watch his account when he goes on holiday, but I very seriously doubt paddy told him to be a watch dog sorta speak on his account. I doubt paddy ask him every other day to sit for him.

[LFAW]

I think that we can safely assume thats an overstatement Bruce, he takes a turn for Paddy when Paddy is going to miss. If Paddy says this is fine then there is no abuse.

LFAW

[maxatstuy]

Bruce, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Paddy trusts that I will play for him if ever he is going to miss. Maybe you would like to deadbeat out of your games because you are unable to be online, but most people would like to know that someone is there watching to make sure they dont miss their turn and lose as a result. I hope everyone watching knows not to play for you if ever you are in the predicament of needing someone to take a turn in one of you games.

[Frop]

LFAW, please refrain from commenting on any further threads if your comprehension skills are lacking. One of the points Bruce is trying to make is that he suspects Max is abusing his babysitting privileges to gain an advantage in freestyle team games. The hunters will verify if this is really the case. A clear precedent is the fact that SkyT has been warned for a similar form of abuse.

They were warned to not take each others turns unless one person is going to miss (not taking each others turns to make a more effective team).

There was plenty of discussion in the old thread about how frequently sharing accounts is abuse of the "baby-sitting privilege". They were never formally warned for it before, but now a warning has been sent saying that they are not to share accounts unless the person is actually going to miss a turn. I will try to remember and check them every once in a while. But if you are concerned that it has gone unchecked just bump this thread and I will look at it again.

If they continue account sharing too often they will be blocked, but hopefully it doesn't come down to that.

[Paddy The Cat]

yes, i gave max my password, because he may be online more than anyone else i know, therefore he is a good choice

just today i just got back from a golf tournament and had just over an hour to take my turn, and i know max was ready to take it just in case

i will acknowledge that there have been times when i am not around to take a turn for over 24 hours, max will take it, but never announce his presence

im pretty sure that is just pure accident though, and i do not think max is taking advantage of my account

[LFAW]

Haha my lack of comprehensive skills? Hahaha!

Tell me Frop, how far did your comprehensive skills take you in the Muld00n accusations? Wow, if I were a passerby i'd think you were an idiot.
Oh wait you are!

Lets see a slow motion replay of Frops comprehensive skills:

2008-05-19 22:49:13 - Paddy The Cat: wow...I actually had good dice...amazing
2008-05-19 22:49:32 - Paddy The Cat: my dice are always terrible...really

As usual the [word]...[word] style of writing of max. This wasn't Paddy and it wasn't announced either.

This was quickly replied with:

Frop I was more referring to this comment...

Frop, if you are looking at that, you probably missed the point

Missed the point completely...

Who's the idiot Frop?
You are.

yes, i gave max my password, because he may be online more than anyone else i know, therefore he is a good choice

just today i just got back from a golf tournament and had just over an hour to take my turn, and i know max was ready to take it just in case

i will acknowledge that there have been times when i am not around to take a turn for over 24 hours, max will take it, but never announce his presence

im pretty sure that is just pure accident though, and i do not think max is taking advantage of my account

Thankyou Paddy.
Case closed on babysitting abuse?

LFAW

[comic boy]

LFAW

I think the case is closed when the mods are satisfied not when you decide it is
Aside from the babysitting we still have this small matter;

" And finish up games for about 5 more people than that_ LOL ''

Is it acceptable for his brother to start a game, or perhaps just set it up, then let Max play it ?

Is it acceptable to take over from somebody in a game because they are bored or short of time ?

[Frop]

Wow, I think I hit a snare there. Once again you prove my point though by completely ignoring the freestyle teamgame bit. Please do insult me a bit more to show off your impressive rhetoric skills.

[LFAW]

LFAW

I think the case is closed when the mods are satisfied not when you decide it is
Aside from the babysitting we still have this small matter;

" And finish up games for about 5 more people than that_ LOL ''

Is it acceptable for his brother to start a game, or perhaps just set it up, then let Max play it ?

Is it acceptable to take over from somebody in a game because they are bored or short of time ?

Lol I did wink comic, you know kinda jokingly... nevermind ill highlight it with [joke]..[/joke] next time

As for the Brothers games thing, I don't know if its acceptable. However it is legal and because of that the accusation of babysitting abuse doesn't apply here surely? I can't remember any such case where someone got punished for completing a game for someone

Wow, I think I hit a snare there. Once again you prove my point though by completely ignoring the freestyle teamgame bit. Please do insult me a bit more to show off your impressive rhetoric skills.

I didn't ignore it Frop, I have just been arguing why that is not the case for the last day and a half. If you think to read back then please do comment again.

LFAW

[Frop]

I didn't ignore it Frop, I have just been arguing why that is not the case for the last day and a half. If you think to read back then please do comment again.

LFAW

I have read your comments and you, as much as Bruce, are not in the position to argue if it did or did not happen. However Bruce has every right to voice his suspicions as much as you have the right to blatantly deny it by closing your eyes and screaming 'case closed, case closed!' over and over again. We can only wait for the hunters to cast their verdict, but where the hell are they?