Europa [Quenched]

[max is gr8]

It has 6 territs with 3 borders and gets 3, yet central europe has the same bonus for 4 territs

[MrBenn]

Why is Italy so diffrent from the other continents? its looks not so good.

I guess you're referring to San Marino/Vatican City? They are two tiny countries wholly surrounded by Italy - as depicted on the map - so there's not too much I can do about that

It has 6 territs with 3 borders and gets 3, yet central europe has the same bonus for 4 territs

As I just mentioned, San Marino and Vatican City are both enclaves of Italy, which makes Italy a lot easier to hold than Germany, for instance. It will also be fairly easy to expand from the Italian islands to get the Med Island bonus.
Central Europe is pretty exposed - count the number of territories that can attack Germany!

The bonuses are more or less what the bonus spreadsheet/calculator suggested... are you raising this as a problem, or just pointing out that the two areas are very different yet have the same bonus? If it's the former, it would be helpful to know if you have an alternative solution

[MrBenn]

Nice work benny

Another nice classic gameplay map on the way

Woop!

Congrats on the Stamp benny.

C.

Thanks

[MrBenn]

does the sea look a bit darker near scandinavia and lighter in the south? can u make it lighter near scandinavia to contrast with the blue of the latter?

the army shadows are suitably subtle. even on the small version, they do not take over the map. are blue armies clearly distinguishable from scandinavian blue?

can u use internationally-recognised abbreviations for country names instead of made-up ones? below are links to both 2-letter and 3-letter iso codes. the 2-letter codes are in wider everyday use because of the internet, although the united nations uses the 3-letter codes.

http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/is ... ements.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/en ... eoname.pdf

the one that most needs to change is liechtenstein, since lt is the official 2-letter iso code for lithuania, which is also on the map (lt is, for example, used as the lithuanian internet top-level domain code, while li is liechtenstein's equivalent).

http://www.liechtenstein.li/en/fl-staat-gemeinden-vaduz

five other abbreviations on our map are used by different territories as their official iso codes and these are given below.

bh: bahrain
mo: macao
sl: sierra leone
vc: saint vincent & the grenadines
mac: macao

connect the peloponnese peninsula to mainland greece by drawing in the isthmus of corinth on the eastern side, to the right of the army count. at the moment, the peloponnese looks too much like a med island.

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/greece/

I think that Malta,Crete and ciprus must be a part of mediteranean,and Grecce part of Balkan.

if we renamed the balkan states continent as north balkans, then do u think everyone would be satisfied?

transcontinental has 6 territories, of which 3 are border territories. i think +5 (+4 and +1 motherland) is too high: classic africa also has 6 territories, of which 3 are border territories, and is only +3, without the benefit of a sub-bonus as a stepping-stone.

ian.

Must remember this

[yeti_c]

Why is Italy so diffrent from the other continents? its looks not so good.

I guess you're referring to San Marino/Vatican City? They are two tiny countries wholly surrounded by Italy - as depicted on the map - so there's not too much I can do about that

It has 6 territs with 3 borders and gets 3, yet central europe has the same bonus for 4 territs

As I just mentioned, San Marino and Vatican City are both enclaves of Italy, which makes Italy a lot easier to hold than Germany, for instance. It will also be fairly easy to expand from the Italian islands to get the Med Island bonus.
Central Europe is pretty exposed - count the number of territories that can attack Germany!

The bonuses are more or less what the bonus spreadsheet/calculator suggested... are you raising this as a problem, or just pointing out that the two areas are very different yet have the same bonus? If it's the former, it would be helpful to know if you have an alternative solution

No solution required I don't reckon - bonuses look good to me.

C.

[blakebowling]

Nice work benny

Another nice classic gameplay map on the way

wait, how did he get a graphics stamp if he doesn't have a Large Image?

BTW: love the map benn

[Qwert]

by blakebowling
wait, how did he get a graphics stamp if he doesn't have a Large Image?

Complaining is not good for you,you can get warning for that.

[MrBenn]

wait, how did he get a graphics stamp if he doesn't have a Large Image?

To earn your graphics stamp you must comply to the following conditions:

1) Image must present itself as clear and legible.
2) The aesthetics must be to a presentable foundry standard and must also satisfy the community at large.
3) Cartographers must ,where possible, reduce any disadvantage that can be caused to a colorblind individual.

[Ogrecrusher]

Just a Thought, maybe you could make the sea connections from England to France/Spain not start from the same place. It makes the France one less obvious in my eyes. Maybe a Dover-Calais one for the French one and leave the Spain one as is.

[AndyDufresne]

Lets see a large image when you've some time.


--Andy

[gimil]

Nice work benny

Another nice classic gameplay map on the way

wait, how did he get a graphics stamp if he doesn't have a Large Image?

BTW: love the map benn

Large isn't part of my criteria for graphics stamp, just small. If you work on a large then I require to see a quick glance at a resized large to determine if the resize will have any major issues.

[MrBenn]

Just a Thought, maybe you could make the sea connections from England to France/Spain not start from the same place. It makes the France one less obvious in my eyes. Maybe a Dover-Calais one for the French one and leave the Spain one as is.

Nice idea... I'll have a look at it

[MrBenn]

Lets see a large image when you've some time.

OK.... here's the small image:


and here's the large:

Click image to enlarge.

[yeti_c]

mac - looks a bit like "imac"!!!

C.

[AndyDufresne]

Final Forge

---The Europa Map has reached the ‘Final Forge’ Stage. I've revived this thread from the pits of the Foundry Furnace (okay, maybe not) and have examined the contents. Nearly every major concern has been addressed. If there are any other current concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be deemed finished with the 'Foundry Brand' of approval and will be submitted for live play. As long as there is still discussion or posts that have yet to be commented on, the map will remain in Final Forge until said discussion has reached the conclusion that the map has reached its final and polished version.

Post questions and concerns if any.

--Andy

[RjBeals]

Congrats Mr. Benn.. Almost there. This map is sure to be a favorite!

[yeti_c]

Congrats Benny - hope to see this one up soon.

Congrats Mr. Benn.. Almost there. This map is sure to be a favorite!

In europe we spell that "Favourite"!!!!!

C.

[MrBenn]

I got lost for a while... glad to be in the forge though!

I'll get an update together soon

[MrBenn]

Update!

• All the abbreviations have been replaced with official 3-letter codes
• Some of the territory names have been moved to make them slightly clearer
• The Greek peninsular has been connected via a land bridge.
• Different coloured army numbers have been put on the map to show how it looks... The blue numbers are nice and clear; the most difficult to see are the yellow-on-yellow, but I wouldn't say it's problematic...

[MrBenn]

How should the abbreviated countries by shown in the XML/Game Log?

a) ALB - Albania
b) ALB: Albania
c) Albania (ALB)
d) Albania - ALB
e) Albania ALB
f) something else...

Personally I'm inclined to go with option C...

[Skittles!]

I have to agree with the C option

Looking nice, Mr. Benn. :]

[gimil]

It would say option C is your best as well.

For lighter continent I would consider using darker army circles. Just so that there is a bit of contrast between those lighter army numbers, Central Europe, Hellenics, and maybe the baltics and benulux.

[RjBeals]

isn't this the small map? Did you post the large map somewhere yet?

[ZeakCytho]

Option C gets my vote too.

[MrBenn]

isn't this the small map? Did you post the large map somewhere yet?

It's back a page I think...