Accused: Powercrazy & Xcalibur54 [cleared]

[danodukebb]

Accused:

Powercrazy
Xcalibur54

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis

Game number(s):

Game 3092845

Comments:Not just in this game but Something is fishy about these players...
Powercrazy just joined today but knows an awful lot about bonuses, and plays well..
Xcalibur54 is fairly new but has won 8/11!! Including a Waterloo map on his 2nd game..that game is hard as hell for good players, but this new guy won on it..

Look at the games he's played, he seems suspicious to me

[danodukebb]

bump

[Xcalibur54]

Um, I've been playing Risk since I was like 5. So I know a little bit about "how the game works." Powercrazy is a friend of mine in real life. He lives in North Carolina, and I live in Texas. I was the one who told Powercrazy to join this site because he enjoys playing Risk as much as I do.

Feel free to check our IP addresses. And feel free to interview the other players that I've beaten. I assure you, I'm not cheating.

What is your deal? You lose a game so you automatically assume the other guy must have cheated? How old are you?

[danodukebb]

haha, first off we haven't lost yet...
I just found what you guys were doing is sketchy...
Plus its hard for a high ranked player to win at Waterloo, let alone a new recruit playing with higher ranked players...

I'm 19 for your information, I'm not crying, I'm just making sure the rules are not being broken..

[danodukebb]

Also I've noticed their Last Logins seem to go like this

for example
Powercrazy: 1:28, makes a turn in the games we're in
Xcalibur54, 1:34, makes a turn
Powercrazy. 1:42

....thats suspicious to me too

[Powercrazy]

We are talking to each other over aim. So I know when he finishes his turn. We've also been playing risk together since we were like 6.

I've been messing up in that game though, sorry about that.

I'm still interested in why everyone assumes we are "multis." Is it just because we are good?

Give me some details so that in the future I might be able to catch real multis and preserve the integrity of the site.

[Xcalibur54]

Also, what is a "multi" ?

[danodukebb]

we told, you now stop playing dumb...and if you guys why couldn't you just chat through conquer club chat?
I know you know where it is..i saw you both in it last night, at different times however

[The Neon Peon]

Also, playing risk before only helps on some maps, and those maps are few and limited to classic, and possibly several others. I have never myself played on waterloo, but maps like that have absolutely no relation to standard board game risk. The strategies on them are far different, and the bonuses are no where near similar to risk bonuses, making them hard to figure out if you have never played on that type of map yet. AoR is the same type, though completely different strategies, bonuses and game play as well.

No doubt on the multies accusation.

[Xcalibur54]

Because it's so hard to read the map and understand the way that it works? You guys are juvenile and are acting like I've never played a strategy game before in my life.

Also, I still don't know exactly what I'm being accused of. I guess you're arguing that Powercrazy and I are the same person? That makes no sense at all. If that were true, then why haven't I played any other games previously AGAINST Powercrazy to boost my rating?

And why would I use the web-based chat program when I can communicate over AIM in real time? Constantly hitting "Refresh" is annoying. AIM is much more efficient.

I'm still not exactly clear on what a "multi" is or how they normally operate. So how about you quit throwing baseless accusations around and actually try to substantiate your position with some logic?

[The Neon Peon]

This accusation is nowhere near baseless. Firstly, there is no way to confirm that you talk over AIM. Secondly, a person without membership can only play 4 games, which is one reason to have 2 accounts.

And we have logic, you just choose to ignore it.

[danodukebb]

and you havent played with him until last night when his account was made...

and for your record, i'm not unnessarely stalling the game, im missing my turn on purpose in protest of the rules being broken..
IF by some chance I'm wrong with this accusation, you and your "friend" are still going to be the proud new members of my foe list

I don't like cheaters

[Xcalibur54]

The rules aren't being broken. Do you want our AIM screen names? Facebook accounts? Phone conversation with both of us at once? What will it take? Grow up. Just because you lose a game is no reason to accuse the other side of cheating.

"OH MY GOD, XCALIBUR IS GOOD AT RISK AND WINS A LOT. HE MUST BE A CHEATER."

Yeah, you're a real Einstein. If he were my "multi," wouldn't I want him on the OTHER team to sabotage them?

[danodukebb]

not nessisarly, and I did a check of games between you and in the 3 games Powercrazy has played two have been with you, and one has been again on Waterloo, where there is a high ranked player and 7, yes 7 new recruits..
Game 3077380
hey maybe you guys aren't multies with each other
but there is no doubt in my mind that one of you, if not both have had another account on this site before...

[Xcalibur54]

Your ignorance is extraordinary. Powercrazy started a Waterloo game after you threw a hissyfit about me winning one, just to see what the map was like.

Is it so far beyond the realm of possibilty that we just, you know, READ the map descriptions and read what gives army bonuses so that we have an idea of where it would be a good idea to deploy troops and attack? Why do you totally discount our reading comprehension ability and automatically assume we must be cheating?

[danodukebb]

Is it so far beyond the realm of possibility that you are cheating??
I do not think so
and I'm done arguing with you, let the hunters decide, and either way, I'm just glad I won't ever have to play with either of you again

[danodukebb]

Oh and just to specify chief, this isn't about losing, I have lost more than half my games but this is my first multi accusation, so that should say something as well...I've seen some damn awful players, but never once thought they were cheating...

So I ask the hunters this: Please check the IP's and if they match anyone else on the website, past (banned members) or present
Check their log-in times, conversations because I and many other players believe that these two are in some way cheating

[danodukebb]

sorry to keep piling it on but it's very hard to believe that a new player could win theses games considering the high difficulty and good ranks playing him
Game 3043659
Game 3042242
Game 3001410

he also played a lot of his games with other new recruits..

Alright I'm done and out

[Xcalibur54]

Yes please, conduct a full inquiry. And when it comes out that I'm not a cheater, it would be awesome if you could give danodukebb the "Dunce Cap" award.

If this isn't about being a sore loser, then it's certainly about being a jealous one. Just because I win more of my games than you do is no reason to go on a groundless crusade agaisnt me, accusing me of being a cheater. You act as if having a higher rank automatically makes someone a better player than someone with a lower rank. Grow up please.

[danodukebb]

haha you've been here only 2 weeks, I had more games won after two weeks..

Jealous, not of you...
And IF it comes out that you're not cheating, why give me a dunce cap for trying to protect the integrity of the site??

[Xcalibur54]

OH really? You won more games than me after 2 weeks, did you? Well then CLEARLY you must have be cheating and using multies, because new recruits cannot possibly win that many games. I will have to report you.

[danodukebb]

i was being sarcastic dumbass I have no idea how many games i won...but I surely played beginner maps and didn't play games with people i know...

[The Neon Peon]

Oh my gosh! Stop saying this accusation is groundless. There is plenty of fishy things going around, yet no concrete evidence until the hunters look at it. This accusation is not groundless, you have given your explanations, and we have given ours.

[danodukebb]

Thank you The Neon Pone..

[The Neon Peon]

No problem. Need to find some cheats of my own now. Busted several people on my 4th day here or something like that, which was a lot of fun. No one since then though