Muld00n is a pathetic cheater [cleared and noted]

[SlayerQC]

Personally, I'd leave out owenator because both he and muld00n are premium.

Why?
A cheater would be feeding his premium with freemium points.

premium x2 really is peanuts for some people.
$50 is nothin' and if someone likes to cheat, $50 would be nothing.
Did I say $50 isnt much?
Let the admin/hunters do their job.Besides, muldoon is the main accused, cant really leave him out.
(hopefully this is within guidelines lancehoh?)

[owenator]

Cisco, are you so infused with the fact that mud00n is a cheater that you would start to accuse other people - and falsely? And even if you did attain your goal of getting him kicked out or banned, would you feel that much more satisfied? And if so, why is it that you would as you've stated - accuse several other previously? Really....do you take things so seriously and personally that as soon as you do your supposed analysis of people being in the same game it automatically constitutes that they are "multis"? You've decided to completely avoid this subject that you have become so intent on pointing a finger at him.

I do not appreciate being named in your list, and you still have no evidence that I am a so-called cheater AND the fact that you still have yet to apologize. It's childish behavior that you would act in such a manner that you have gone this far. I'd rather get my money back and not play anymore because I am so turned off by this. I have much better things to do, but it is a comfort level that I enjoy from the stress of life, and now you've gone and ruined it.

For the record, and I DON'T have to explain myself, but because you are so persistent and cease to yield in your immature ways....I will set it straight as to the 'story' behind why the same players all joined at the same time. All the so-called accused are co-workers. We work in a high-paced environment where stress in a norm and 75% of it's workers are either smokers, drug addicts, or people who simply complain every day. When muld00n advised us of being able to play a similar game to risk, it interested many of us. Mainly, because who doesn't like competition, and it's an effective way to simply have a friendly rivalry without having to beat each other up physically. So, as a result - we started to play daily. Muld00n was more experienced at it because he was the one who had advised us all that this site had existed. Thus, the reason why it appears that he may be cheating, when in fact; it was simply because he was more experienced and skilled at it then the rest of us. So there you go. Thanks for having me share my personal life with you.

If the moderator is watching/reading this....I believe this is more than proof then you will need. I still want my apology cisco, and I want this to stop. This is ridiculous that you keep pressing an issue that is redundant and trivial. Stop wasting your time, because you're certainly wasting mine. Own up and be a man for once, and apology and this will all be over.

Owen

[e_i_pi]

Just dumped muld00ns games records into one of my nifty spreadsheets. Here's the results:

Minimum Games Player
3 muld00n
Games Opponent
59 xet
40 owenator
38 TheLordOfChaos
33 Justinzane
22 onkyo
20 shabazz777
7 familyguy#1
6 adamoc
6 badlouie
6 koolkat
5 bradandmichele
5 Chaka
5 RKCVED
5 Tarzanchuck
5 wallacelg
4 akiradragon
4 Cartoon99
4 icicle71
4 LFAW
4 sure
3 Bighab
3 BobsUrUncle
3 Calaador
3 chatzestrecker
3 DomQuebec
3 dzinewiz
3 FATHARRY
3 JCsolidrock
3 jperkins
3 -Maximus-
3 NickDanger
3 ntffl07
3 oo-warlord-oo
3 pu2tuyhead
3 punky206765
3 skater2000
3 THE_BLUEVIKING
3 thrillomania
3 t-o-m
3 Trombador

I think you should add xet to that list, and complete the set

A little further investigation yields this game log:

2008-07-08 16:00:35 - onkyo: did richard TOW?
2008-07-08 16:17:44 - Justinzane: he had a meeting
2008-07-08 16:46:34 - TheLordOfChaos: told by gabe that no more conquer while online , doing on breaks i guess
2008-07-09 16:05:58 - Justinzane: nice try paul!!!!
2008-07-09 16:07:31 - onkyo: Ha..i thought i did a good job running away..
2008-07-09 16:13:29 - TheLordOfChaos: well looks like its randy's game
2008-07-10 12:12:53 - shabazz777: Chaos are you planning on going?
2008-07-10 12:13:06 - shabazz777: It's been a day now!

Only those 4 were in the game. Multi's don't normally table-talk. I'd say it's more likely they know each other irl.

[Frop]

2008-07-08 16:00:35 - onkyo: did richard TOW?
2008-07-08 16:17:44 - Justinzane: he had a meeting
2008-07-08 16:46:34 - TheLordOfChaos: told by gabe that no more conquer while online , doing on breaks i guess
2008-07-09 16:05:58 - Justinzane: nice try paul!!!!
2008-07-09 16:07:31 - onkyo: Ha..i thought i did a good job running away..
2008-07-09 16:13:29 - TheLordOfChaos: well looks like its randy's game
2008-07-10 12:12:53 - shabazz777: Chaos are you planning on going?
2008-07-10 12:13:06 - shabazz777: It's been a day now!

Only those 4 were in the game. Multi's don't normally table-talk. I'd say it's more likely they know each other irl.

This wouldn't be the first time someone had his multis spray some trivial chat around, including a few fabricated names. This only makes it more suspicious in my opinion. Even if they're not multis they should definitely be blocked from playing games together as Muldoon seems more than happy to take all their points.

[Joodoo]

Cisco, it must have took you quite long to find all tha info
and also to pi for the supporting info
But pi, I have noticed that on the list you made, there is a player named Dom Quebec, I do not know him directly, but I have heard that he is a very angry player who is on a lot of ppl's ignore list... so I think the chances of him being a cheater may be much slimmer
anyway, even if muld00n is cleared, I will foe him

[Shrinky]

Cisco, it must have took you quite long to find all tha info
and also to pi for the supporting info
But pi, I have noticed that on the list you made, there is a player named Dom Quebec, I do not know him directly, but I have heard that he is a very angry player who is on a lot of ppl's ignore list... so I think the chances of him being a cheater may be much slimmer
anyway, even if muld00n is cleared, I will foe him

pi meant ppl to look at the top of the list. see those ppl who have played PLENTY of games with muld00n. the rest of them who have played games ranging from 3-5 with muld00n are not included in this cheating accusation.

[e_i_pi]

Cisco, it must have took you quite long to find all tha info
and also to pi for the supporting info
But pi, I have noticed that on the list you made, there is a player named Dom Quebec, I do not know him directly, but I have heard that he is a very angry player who is on a lot of ppl's ignore list... so I think the chances of him being a cheater may be much slimmer
anyway, even if muld00n is cleared, I will foe him

Oh no no no. I am in no way saying that all those people are cheating. That's just a list of all the players muld00n has played against 3 or more times. I let the numbers speak for themselves.

[owenator]

Wow! Congratulations to ALL of you.....yes, we are cheaters and I'm so ashamed that I wanted to profusely admit that this is the reason why I went out, bought a premium membership. I was willing to go out and put these secret alliances/allegiances so muld00n can have his rank progress. Okay, that was a lame attempt at saracasm. I am not a cheater and was accused of such and I still continue to not see anything done about it: apology and perhaps some kind of action against the accuser. Why does my name and all my co-workers/friends have to suffer, based on what? Some silly accusations? Really, this has gone too far. I can't believe you people have all the time in the world to put some kind of formula together to try to prove something that is not factual. I've provided an explanation AND I've signed it with my personal name, and none of you have acknowledged this. I have balls, where are yours? Lastly, IF this moderator is supposedly watching this thread - I would like to have the contact number as I want a refund back. My name, integrity, pride, is not worth the premium membership, and I'm disgusted by all these false accusations. How can anyone simply let one person cause such a commotion, and point fingers at whomever he/she choses. I provided my explanation; which consisted personal information about my FORMER workplace, and how we all played together at work. I was FIRED from work after 6 years, and the reason why I don't want to 'talk' about it to justify myself. And now I'm angry because I'm not happy I have to share information that really didn't need to come out. So, either this stops NOW, or I want my money back. Simple as that. Thanks for ruining it all for me cisco. You sir, are a jerk and still have yet to apologize. Again, if the moderator is watching this thread, please provide me with the contact information as I have been able to find it to discuss my refund.

regards,

Owen K. Lee

[Frop]

[e_i_pi]

I lol'd irl and woke up my flatmate

[SlayerQC]

owenator.
If you dont like it here, then stop coming.You are the one bringing the convo towards you instead of muldoon.

If you are not a cheater or colluder then you should be happy that people like cisco and others keep an eye out for cheats to make YOUR games fair and more enjoyable.
So if you arent a cheat, no worries, the hunters will clear you.
Just play your games and have fun.Im sure cisco will then apologise.

Btw, there is no refund.

[owenator]

Wow, SlayerQC....you neglected to read my previous posts. I'm not bringing anything to me. If *I* accused YOU for example as a cheater, then what say you? Who am I to accuse anyone else without any concrete evidence other than my winning percentage, and playing against the same people. It still proves nothing. Unless, I or anyone else flatly states that I have multiple accounts or purposely threw a game, then really - all that it is allegations without justification. I am upset because I have to explain myself and it coincided with explaining about the workplace and my FORMER colleagues. As I stated, I was fired from my job, and I had to bring it up. Now, that I don't have money/income, this is a personal and confidential matter and why do I have to say this to anyone. So, please - keep your personal comments to yourself. It doesn't involve you. You're only adding fuel to the fire and you show disrespect in your comments, I'd appreciate it if you kept it to yourself.

[Night Strike]

Who am I to accuse anyone else without any concrete evidence other than my winning percentage, and playing against the same people. It still proves nothing. Unless, I or anyone else flatly states that I have multiple accounts or purposely threw a game, then really - all that it is allegations without justification.

High winning percentages against a small group of players does raise suspicions in many player's minds. Very few people actually come out and say that they are multis or have a secret alliance (why would they?), so this forum is here to present the evidence that members of the site notice and collect. If you know that you aren't a multi, then you did fine posting your counter-argument. You can't expect the accusers to just drop their accusations based on what you post. The argument was presented, you provided your response, now the hunters will do their job and issue a verdict. Just because someone accused you and/or your friends of being multis doesn't mean he's "dragging your names through the mud". Be patient, and let the hunters issue their decision.

[SlayerQC]

Wow, SlayerQC....you neglected to read my previous posts. I'm not bringing anything to me. If *I* accused YOU for example as a cheater, then what say you? Who am I to accuse anyone else without any concrete evidence other than my winning percentage, and playing against the same people. It still proves nothing. Unless, I or anyone else flatly states that I have multiple accounts or purposely threw a game, then really - all that it is allegations without justification. I am upset because I have to explain myself and it coincided with explaining about the workplace and my FORMER colleagues. As I stated, I was fired from my job, and I had to bring it up. Now, that I don't have money/income, this is a personal and confidential matter and why do I have to say this to anyone. So, please - keep your personal comments to yourself. It doesn't involve you. You're only adding fuel to the fire and you show disrespect in your comments, I'd appreciate it if you kept it to yourself.

dude, YOU are adding fuel to your own fire since your first post.
YOU were the one that didnt read my previous posts.
Im only trying to help you but YES i will avoid posting here anymore.

NOTE: if you dont have income, why get premium?

Over and out.

[cisco2001]

The more that Owenator posts, the more that muldoon avoids attention. Let's see if we can put Owenator's concerns to bed. As many people have explained; Muld00n is the primary suspect in this thread. Muld00n is the player that has GAINED 1200 points from the other players mentioned in this post. One of the "other" players mentioned in this post is Owenator.

As Nightstrike, a moderator, has confirmed; 29 out of 38 losses is, in itself, very suspicious. Perhaps Owenator is not familiar with the characters that have been busted in this thread but these numbers are very typical of players that abuse this system. There are players on this site that spend a lot of their time to bring cheaters to the attention of this community. There is justification in this accusation as Owenator has donated over 75% of his losses to Muld00ns point gains. At risk of sounding sarcastic, I don't know what kind of absolute proof falls within the tolerance of Owenator. However, players with experience in this forum know that the evidence that has been set forth is more than enough to warrant closer investigation from the moderators.

That being said, I am empathetic to Owenator's distress if, in fact, he's innocent. Furthermore, I will be the first one to apologize. Regardless, Muld00n is facing a serious accusation with very incriminating evidence against him. Owenator is one of many players that have been named in association with Muld00n. It's possible that Owenator is an innocent accomplice in this whole mess. However, innocent or not, we can't just toss the facts aside because Owenator is upset. The bottom line is that as long as there are players that are willing to break the rules then there are going to be people that will be victims in many different ways.

Again, Owenator and the other players accused are innocent until proved guilty. As Slayer has said several times, diverting attention from Muld00n is only helping Muld00n and nobody else. Of course I will be the first one to apologize if this is a mistake. An apology before that would be pointless. If I had to retract my accusation and apologize every time an accused player got upset...well, lets just say it has not happened very much. It's not because I'm not willing but rather because the upset players are no longer around.

[king achilles]

muld00n and owenator's data gives more merit that they do know each other rather than being multis. That goes with TheLordOfChaos and onkyo as well.

As for the others: shabazz777, Justinzane, adamoc, icicle71 and Cartoon99 has insufficient information to pin them as guilty. Therefore, all the accused are cleared of being multis but their acquaintance with each other is still noted.

[LFAW]

Hate to say I told you so Cisco.

Congrats Muld00n I knew you were genuine

[Frop]

muld00n and owenator's data gives more merit that they do know each other rather than being multis. That goes with TheLordOfChaos and onkyo as well.

As for the others: shabazz777, Justinzane, adamoc, icicle71 and Cartoon99 has insufficient information to pin them as guilty. Therefore, all the accused are cleared of being multis but their acquaintance with each other is still noted.

I've always had my doubt about your analytic capabilities as the majority of your verdicts are obviously flawed, but this time you have outdone yourself. The winning percentages speak for themselves, but still you managed to just note them. I think I speak for everybody if I say we demand a second opinion by a slightly more able hunter like Fireside Poet. This case simply warrants a number of blocks/busts and score resets.

[king achilles]

Frop, you or others are always welcome to agree or disagree with the verdicts given. If I am wrong, I will not hesitate to correct myself.

[Frop]

Frop, you or others are always welcome to agree or disagree with the verdicts given. If I am wrong, I will not hesitate to correct myself.

I've sent in a support ticket regarding the verdict.

Muld00n was recently accused in this thread (viewtopic.php?f=239&t=59724) of having multiple accounts and/or conducting secret diplomacy. Despite a ridiculous win rate on his behalf in a large number of games with all the other accounts he has only been 'cleared & noted'. Please be so kind as to re-evaluate the verdict, the overwhelming evidence presented by cisco2001 clearly warrants a number of blocks/busts and score resets. Thanks in advance.

[cisco2001]

Frop, you or others are always welcome to agree or disagree with the verdicts given. If I am wrong, I will not hesitate to correct myself.

King-

With all do respect, you have cleared players that later have been found guilty. I don't pretend to know what you check to clear a player. However, this is over the top. Muld00n has win rates in excess of 75% against the accused players. You know as well as the rest of us that those numbers in multi player games are impossible without some sort of collusion.

Let me remind you that Kidpat was similar and his winning % was much lower than Muld00ns. Muld00n plays tons of games with Onkyo. Please take a look at their patterns. How can you explain the back to back turns? How can you explain a better than 75% win rate?

Please open this thread so that justice can be done. Letting this guy go is an insult to us that commonly bring cheaters to your attention and furnish you and the other hunters with all of the evidence. Open it and keep an open mind. This guy is as dirty as they come.

[king achilles]

As Frop has already sent a ticket about this case, let us wait for another hunter/admin to look into this again. The case will be looked upon by another person and he or I will update you on this thread.

[owenator]

Cisco and SlayerQC,

you take this thing way too far and I don't understand how you take it so seriously. First of Slayer, you've now made it personal, with your stupid comment which is both inappropriate and none of your business. You said: NOTE: if you dont have income, why get premium? Over and out. And to this, I say - what goes around comes around. You are a waste of my time and I don't want to bother wasting my time with you. Obviously you seem to have some sort of allegiance to cisco. Cisco, you seem to be so intent on banning/suspending muld00n. What say this, I'll drop this issue as will he if you pay us our money back. I won't say another word because you are also a pathetic childish human being. You clearly stated in an earlier post, that you would be the first to apologize if proven innocent. And when it was, you turned around and disputed that as well. I think that makes you pretty selfish after all that I've said. If anyone had a right mind, they'd take a look at your posts which seems to be predominately about cheaters. So, to me it's extremely suspicious that you seem to know how to analyze and figure out how someone is a cheater. I won't sink to your level and outright call you a cheater, but you are definitely a two-faced liar. And trust me, I will NEVER apologize for that. Oh yeah, I've got the balls to sign my name which shows more integrity than you and your girlfriend combined.


Owen K. Lee

[LFAW]

For goodness sake,
Frop, Cisco, they are all friends that love to play Conquer Club together. Why should they be busted and kicked off the site for playing an online game that we play aswell?

In the games accused, in which Muld00n and Onkyo played 8 Player escalating Onkyo is very often taken out by other players. Surely if this so called cheater wanted to win he would position himself so that Onkyo would grab a card and he would take him out and as such give him a position to guarantee victory.

As for owenator and muld00n relationship, what is so suspicious about that?? They play games together... oh and they admitted to knowing eachother. Boohoo.

I think this is a shit accusation and Muld00n (and his friends) have been rightfully cleared.

LFAW

[owenator]

For goodness sake,
Frop, Cisco, they are all friends that love to play Conquer Club together. Why should they be busted and kicked off the site for playing an online game that we play aswell?

In the games accused, in which Muld00n and Onkyo played 8 Player escalating Onkyo is very often taken out by other players. Surely if this so called cheater wanted to win he would position himself so that Onkyo would grab a card and he would take him out and as such give him a position to guarantee victory.

As for owenator and muld00n relationship, what is so suspicious about that?? They play games together... oh and they admitted to knowing eachother. Boohoo.

I think this is a shit accusation and Muld00n (and his friends) have been rightfully cleared.

LFAW

Thanks LFAW....like I said, 'cisco' appears to have some overwhelming knowledge of how to detect a cheater. And like I've said before, he seems to have an enormous amount of posts in the cheating forums. And to think that he played one game with muld00n, and none with me and we're all cheaters, when we've PROVEN that we're friends. Again, cisco is the one that needs to own up and be a man for once and admit that he is at fault for all the reckless and unwarranted accusations. Regardless, he's still a two-faced liar and a douchebag.