wicked

[jiminski]

Exactly what I said can be seen clearly in my post and in your cut-and-paste of my post.

You try very hard to twist my words, but this fish ain't biting.

Not at all, I am just trying to get you to give us the facts. Otherwise we can not judge the case.

So, you had not asked her not to join your games prior to her joining them?

[demon7896]

4. Her stating that she would not enter a player's game if requested not to and then doing it anyway, and that action being considered abuse are two different subjects (the fact that she is a liar is not the point of my question). Is this blatantly dishonest, unsportsmanlike, and petty action of hers considered abuse or not?

well... did you tell her not to join the game before the game or not?

[demon7896]

if wicked entered someone's game when they specifically told her not to, that would be unfair and abuse. now, the million dollar question that i have asked 3 times.


DID ANYBODY TELL WICKED NOT TO DO IT?????!!!!!!

[KLOBBER]

I have not yet formally accused petty site moderator Wicked of anything. I’m responding here to another member’s formal accusation of petty site moderator Wicked, and to the conversation in the thread that follows that accusation.

Two members seem overly eager for me to make an uninformed decision in petty site moderator Wicked’s regard, but I refuse to do so. Before I make a decision, the following two questions shall be answered:

1. Jim, you stated above that "Wrestler is defending" me. Against what, exactly, is he defending me?

2. The fact that petty site moderator Wicked stated that she would not enter a player's game if requested not to and then did it anyway, and that action being considered abuse of a site moderator’s miniscule authority on this site are two different subjects (the fact that she is a liar is not the point of my question – she definitely is a liar). This is my question: Is this blatantly dishonest, unsportsmanlike, and immature action of petty site moderator Wicked considered to be abuse on this site or not?

[demon7896]

if wicked entered someone's game when they specifically told her not to, that would be unfair and abuse. now, the million dollar question that i have asked 3 times.


DID ANYBODY TELL WICKED NOT TO DO IT?????!!!!!!

sigh.... YES, IT IS... DID SHE DO IT??!!!

[Assassin07]

lol accusing wicked of cheating u must know that out of all the mods on cc she the hardest one on the rules belive me i know so i say u are full of it why would she do any thing that some one on cc wouldnt want her to lol thats all i got to say in this forum

[jiminski]

I have not yet formally accused petty site moderator Wicked of anything. I’m responding here to another member’s formal accusation of petty site moderator Wicked, and to the conversation in the thread that follows that accusation.

Two members seem overly eager for me to make an uninformed decision in petty site moderator Wicked’s regard, but I refuse to do so. Before I make a decision, I shall have the following two questions answered:

1. Jim, you stated above that "Wrestler is defending" me. Against what, exactly, is he defending me?

2. The fact that petty site moderator Wicked stated that she would not enter a player's game if requested not to and then did it anyway, and that action being considered abuse of a site moderator’s miniscule authority on this site are two different subjects (the fact that she is a liar is not the point of my question – she definitely is a liar). This is my question: Is this blatantly dishonest, unsportsmanlike, and immature action of petty site moderator Wicked considered to be abuse on this site or not?

sheese Klobbs if this is not your issue then you really should be able to offer up the facts without such obtuseness.

Whether or not you requested that Wicked not join your games, prior to her joining, is absolutely key.

please answer the question.. it is not complicated, it is very simple.

She has already said that you neither sent her a pm nor requested her absence early on in game-chat. (early enough for her to desist from joining further games)

so please.. to satisfy my burning curiosity but also to furnish the site with the necessary facts; answer this fundamental question.
By answering 'no' you immediately put a halt to further unnecessary time wasting for site, you, me, Wrestler et al!

By answering 'yes' (and with the supply of proof) you may be able to develop a precedent where previously there was only an honourable agreement.

[KLOBBER]

Jim, you are:

1. Unable to see the big picture.

2. Wasting your time.

I refuse to make an uninformed decision, and the two questions I posted above shall be answered before I make a commitment on the issue at hand, which is Wrestler's abuse accusation of petty site moderator Wicked. I seem to be much more patient than you are, and I am very happy with that arrangement.

I have three separate accusations for which I am compiling evidence daily, none of which I have yet formally entered for examination by the site's administration and members.

This thread is not as big a deal as your "burning curiosity" makes you imagine it to be.

This whole site is not a big deal; my advice to you is to please try to develop some proper perspective, get a life, and also try to develop a shred of patience, none of which you give the impression of having at this time.

[jiminski]

Jim, you are:

1. Unable to see the big picture.

2. Wasting your time.

I refuse to make an uninformed decision, and the two questions I posted above shall be answered before I make a commitment on the issue at hand, which is Wrestler's abuse accusation of petty site moderator Wicked. I seem to be much more patient than you are, and I am very happy with that arrangement.

I have three separate accusations for which I am compiling evidence daily, none of which I have yet formally entered for examination by the site's administration and members.

This thread is not as big a deal as your "burning curiosity" makes you imagine it to be.

This whole site is not a big deal; my advice to you is to please try to develop some proper perspective, get a life, and also try to develop a shred of patience, none of which you give the impression of having at this time.

so that is a 'no' then.

I think this thread can be locked down as Klobber had not asked Wicked not to join his games.

[Gypsys Kiss]

Jim, you are:

1. Unable to see the big picture.

2. Wasting your time.

I refuse to make an uninformed decision, and the two questions I posted above shall be answered before I make a commitment on the issue at hand, which is Wrestler's abuse accusation of petty site moderator Wicked. I seem to be much more patient than you are, and I am very happy with that arrangement.

I have three separate accusations for which I am compiling evidence daily, none of which I have yet formally entered for examination by the site's administration and members.

This thread is not as big a deal as your "burning curiosity" makes you imagine it to be.

This whole site is not a big deal; my advice to you is to please try to develop some proper perspective, get a life, and also try to develop a shred of patience, none of which you give the impression of having at this time.

You havn't been asked to make an uninformed decision. You have been asked to answer a simple yes or no question. The fact that you are prevaricating over the answer leads one to suspect that the answer is no.

[spyhunter]

I find it funny that wrestler cares what KLOBBER wants... and that someone other than KLOBBER himself thinks he has "superior skill"

[sam_levi_11]

You can add game 2814178 to this list.

Frankly, I do not know enough about the ins and outs of Conquer Club to be able to identify a cheat. Several of my teammates were convinced wicked and her team mates were cheating, that possibly they were the same person, and lodged another complaint elsewhere.

I want to put my two cents in to question Conquer Club management's wisdom in giving people such as wicked admin status.

Our game was a clear mismatch. A group of people ranked captain and higher, one of which was wicked, joined a game four others of us ranked sergeant and lower had started, and proceded to use tactics they had honed over the course of many months mastering their Conquer Club skills (all of which will no doubt carry them far in life).

In chess we call this practice where a master plays a "D" category player for the few rating points he can garner and which he has virtually no chance of losing "bunny thumping". It's a practice that no peer master respects, not only because it is unsportsmanlike, but because it provides such a negative experience for the "bunny" that it turns people (which means revenue) away from chess. Much of a master's income depends on the prize money contributed by such players who are also a master's fans, and to needlessly discourage people from playing is bad sport and just pure economic folly.

Here at Conquer Club I have the feeling that precisely that type of sporting behavior and economic bad thinking is not only implicitly encouraged (one way is by giving a bunny thumper like wicked admin status), it's institutionalized through poorly thought out policies. Through "Bunny thumping" wicked actually gains the respect of her peers, and they all enjoy ganging up in the hunt for bunnies to thump. Conquer Club definitely sends the message they endorse such behavior when they make one of these (namely wicked) an admin. This makes it impossible for regular players to put her on our foe list and escape her. Believe me, many, many of us would very much like to do this. So, thanks a lot, Conquer Club!

One way of overcoming this problem is to give someone of say more than a 400 or 500 points ratings difference zero rating points for a victory, but they lose 100 or 200 if they were to lose the game. To players of wicked's petty mentality, life is all about the Conquer Club rating points. No points, then why bother, they would no doubt figure. Had such a policy been in effect here at Conquer Club I really think wicked and her ilk would not have bothered giving the four of us on my team the very negative experience we took away from that game.

To discourage players of >400 ratings point differences from playing one another would be a good thing in general, I think. The type of behavior Conquer Club rewards by giving rating points to is not a way of playing the game I have any interest in. It rewards people who put the time in to closely observe their games 24 hours a day, and who wait for their opponents to begin their turn (even in a 24-hour game) first so that everything comes down to mouse control and finger exercises regarding who can refresh the quickest. No real strategy or tactical vision is required for such play, and I don't want to play against players who value that mode of play and consider themselves geniuses for figuring it out. Separating us by rating points difference is a great idea!

General Quigley

i just spent 3 minutes of my life readiong that...my responce...

what a c*ck

[Herakilla]

i just spent 3 minutes of my life readiong that...my responce...

what a c*ck

i didnt even read it

[Hotdoggie]

I am so ashamed of you wicked...cba to read the thread but from someone like wrestler I am 200% sure this is a legit report.

Luv u btw wrestler =]

[Shrinky]

I had a look at some of the games where Wicked joined Klobber and found no such thing as Kloob telling her to not join his games in the future till this forum thing was started. So Technically speaking she hasn't joined anymore games with him ever since that message.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2752093

Interesting chat.


Also...
Kloob still accuses her of joining games that he started.... However... she joined 2 games that were NOT started by Kloob but by spock.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2745556 &
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2745511

So technically speaking Kloob cannot say that she went back on her word. And yet he accuses Wicked of the same in those game chats!

For the record:

Wicked, please do not ever enter any of my games under any circumstances. Is that clear?

[jiminski]

Nice work Shrinky.

As far as i can see, the most recent Klobby game which Wicked joined was:
Game 2826340
2008-07-12 06:23:07 - Game has been initialized


As far as i can see, Klobbies first request was:
Game 2745511
2008-07-16 21:33:58 - KLOBBER: Wicked: It is clear from the forum that you have stated that you would never enter into any player's games if that player requested you not to enter. I am formally requesting you to never enter any games in which I'm awaiting players. Is this clear?

Case closed; there has been no abuse (formal or informal) of any mod powers at all by Wicked, in this case.

The only way abuse could possibly have been committed is if Klobby has initiated a formal ruling that any player who beats him or is capable of beating him is understood to automatically be placed on his Foe list.

[AAFitz]

I see Wicked and her coterie are flaming me for what I said here. That's all well and good. The substance of what I said remains and I predict will remain unaddressed.

When I first joined this site I was pretty excited about the concept and played a lot of games, recommended it to family and friends. Some joined and have told others, and they joined. I'm sort of embarrassed by that now. I wish I knew then what I knew now (that cliques or gangs have formed and are manipulating the system for their benefit). The cheating charge is under investigation. I believe wicked was clever enough to stay within the lines of the guidelines and will be exonerated. She has said she is certain her admin friends will exonerate her.

It doesn't change the fact that her play was unsportsmanlike, at minimum, and unethical, whether the letter of the cheating law was broken or not. That a moderator could abuse her position like this should be a matter of concern to Conquer Club management. Once people figure out this whole thing is rigged, membership and recommendations will start declining. I'm making noise about it here. Most others will just go silently. I'm seeing the trend already with the first people I recommended this site to, and imagine it's a common occurrence with those not inclined to join the gangs and cliques of ratings-manipulating, foul-mouthed adolescents that tend to form here.

I guess you didnt read the experienced coherent threads providing examples of why your post and beliefs are inaccurate, by the not-so-adolescent professional players of the site?

You can choose to believe, that because you arent enjoying the site the way others are, that the masses will read your concern and leave. But ive been here for a couple of years, and this place only gets bigger and better every year. There will always be turnaround on a site like this, but the number that leave, will never exceed the number that join. The positive players will always outnumber the negative ones, and as hard as some will try to bring down CC in any way they can for whatever reasons they may have. There will be many to counter such actions.

I have seen this many times over. The majority of players in CC are not the foul mouthed adolescents you like to assume constitute the body of CC. The majority are normal people with great attitudes that enjoy a great strategic, psychological game. Feel free to make whatever assumptions that allow you to stand high and mighty and cast down on what you have obviously come to believe are an inferior group of players that lack your individual insight, but I will continue to believe what I have come to learn, time and time again in CC, which is that this is a great group of people, and the good ones outnumber the bad with unbelievable proportions. They always have, they always will.

The fact that you cant see them in every post is irrelevant. Its too bad you havent found this out for yourself already, as it seems you might actually care about CC, but unfortunately youre the same as the screaming adolescents who simply use off color words to bash everything they can because they are probably frustrated with some other aspect in their lives, and cant stop themselves from being negative, and trying to impart their negativity upon others.

At least they have an excuse.

[KLOBBER]

I did not answer no. I am still compiling the data for my answer.

By the way, I am not required to answer any questions in any case.

I am neither the accused, nor am I the accuser.

Wicked is the accused.

[jiminski]

I did not answer no. I am still compiling the data for my answer.

By the way, I am not required to answer any questions in any case.

I am neither the accused, nor am I the accuser.

Wicked is the accused.

so your answer is 'no' then.

[wicked]

He has another accusation that's just as frivilous as the other one we're laughing at now. He took to calling everyone who joined his games cheaters. Oh, and when he was killed off for overextending and being too weak, it was then a secret alliance.

[Natewolfman]

He has another accusation that's just as frivilous as the other one we're laughing at now. He took to calling everyone who joined his games cheaters. Oh, and when he was killed off for overextending and being too weak, it was then a secret alliance.

because im so well known for my cheating ways with these secret alliances

[jiminski]

He has another accusation that's just as frivilous as the other one we're laughing at now. He took to calling everyone who joined his games cheaters. Oh, and when he was killed off for overextending and being too weak, it was then a secret alliance.

well it all goes towards the old adage: "A superior skilled workman always blames his tools"

[KLOBBER]

I did not answer no. I am still compiling the data for my answer.

By the way, I am not required to answer any questions in any case.

I am neither the accused, nor am I the accuser.

Wicked is the accused.

so your answer is 'no' then.

I did not answer no. I am still compiling the data for my answer.

By the way, I am not required to answer any questions in any case.

I am neither the accused, nor am I the accuser.

Wicked is the accused.

[KLOBBER]

I have not yet entered any formal accusations against Wicked. Others have.

Her constant immature pattern of bad attitude and unsportsmanlike behavior and her blatant harassment, abuse, and numerous public displays of shameless disrespect of multiple paying members of this site does not hurt those members.

It hurts the site.

[jiminski]

I have not yet entered any formal accusations against Wicked. Others have.

Her constant immature pattern of bad attitude and unsportsmanlike behavior and her blatant harassment, abuse, and numerous public displays of shameless disrespect of multiple paying members of this site does not hurt those members.

It hurts the site.

so still no evidence then.