[Abandoned] - European Revolution

[ZeakCytho]

The brightness is good now

I like the legend better than the last version's, but something seems off to me about it. Maybe it's because all those boxes are just sitting on the ocean? Are you going to keep messing around with it?

The attack lines on the minimap are also weird...maybe curve them a bit?

[Ruben Cassar]

With the territories in their native language would you consider changing the country names to their native language ie.
Portugal -> Portuguesa
Spain -> España
France -> Française
Italy -> Italia
Germany -> Deutschland

Sorry but I think you got a couple of names wrong.

France and Portugal remain the same in their native languages. The other three translations are correct.

[Kaplowitz]

With the territories in their native language would you consider changing the country names to their native language ie.
Portugal -> Portuguesa
Spain -> España
France -> Française
Italy -> Italia
Germany -> Deutschland

Sorry but I think you got a couple of names wrong.

France and Portugal remain the same in their native languages. The other three translations are correct.

would you have to put like "la France"? or is just France ok?

And the darkness is good

[Ruben Cassar]

would you have to put like "la France"? or is just France ok?

And the darkness is good

Just France is enough in this case.

[oaktown]

The ideas stamps is required for a map thread to be moved from the ideas forum to the main foundry. To earn this stamp you must meet the following conditions:
1)The map, first and for most, must have some sort of clear plan of how production will go

Gimil and Yeti do all the work. Check.

2) Have a playable image. If we quenched it people should be able toplay on it. Ths should included the following:

• Territory names
• Working legends
• Speculative Bonuses
• Tentative Border Divisions

Check, check, check, check.

3) The working image needs to be beyond rough draft state. This means that you must provide the following:

• A working image done in some kind of graphic software. Pencil drawn images and images done on paint will not be accpected.
• Two quality updates must be provided.

Quality is subjective, but I give you this one. Check.

4) Have honest and interested discussion. Not just you and three friends.

It's clear that you have at least five friends, so check.


And since you'll have to assign this to a Licker for graphics, I'll gameplay stamp this myself when the time comes.

[multiplayertim]

With the territories in their native language would you consider changing the country names to their native language ie.
Portugal -> Portuguesa
Spain -> España
France -> Française
Italy -> Italia
Germany -> Deutschland

Sorry but I think you got a couple of names wrong.

France and Portugal remain the same in their native languages. The other three translations are correct.

I was not sure about Portugal and France but just typed them into wiki.
I don't think "la France" would work too well Kap doesn't that translate as "The France"

[multiplayertim]

Gameplay issue
Eire/Ireland has 1 territory to defend it get a bonus of 1 that's fair i think
Italy has 1 Territory to defend it gets 3. Why?
Benelux has 3 territories to defend it gets 1?

[yeti_c]

Gameplay issue
Eire/Ireland has 1 territory to defend it get a bonus of 1 that's fair i think
Italy has 1 Territory to defend it gets 3. Why?
Benelux has 3 territories to defend it gets 1?

All of the map areas have 1 territory to defend - this is why the bonuses are so low.

Some countries have more "regions" though so are harder to achieve...

Although - Italy could probably be made a 2.

Edit: Change Eire to Ireland since there is also Northern Ireland added to that region.

Ruben is correct Éire is the Irish name for the Republic of Ireland i f you include Northern Ireland then the name applied is usually Ireland with reference to the island of Ireland rather than the country

With the territories in their native language would you consider changing the country names to their native language ie.
Portugal -> Portuguesa
Spain -> España
France -> Française
Italy -> Italia
Germany -> Deutschland

I'm worried about the length of "Deutschland" - so might refrain from this on that basis.

More on names...

Aragon -> Aragón
Catalonia -> Cataluña
Andalusia -> Andalucía
Rhone-Alps -> Rhône-Alpes

(I suggest you check the rest out on the internet)

...and I still think the map is a bit too dark in general.

Edit: Change Eire to Ireland since there is also Northern Ireland added to that region.

Cheers for the help Ruben - I did look at wiki for some of these translations - and the ones on the map are from there - so we have conflicting information...

However - I'm sure you're right - so I'll get the G-man to change them!

PS -> You missed the accent in Bretagne over the first e.

PPS - if Andalusia - is Andalucía - does that mean Valencia should be Valencía? (Same with Galacía?)

The brightness is good now

I like the legend better than the last version's, but something seems off to me about it. Maybe it's because all those boxes are just sitting on the ocean? Are you going to keep messing around with it?

The attack lines on the minimap are also weird...maybe curve them a bit?

Agree on all 3 points.

I'm not sure on the boxes myself but they look better than the words with a black stroke.

We also need to have a comment in that area that says "Hold all regions & country for bonus" or similar.

Cheers Oak.

C.

[Ruben Cassar]

I'm worried about the length of "Deutschland" - so might refrain from this on that basis.

Cheers for the help Ruben - I did look at wiki for some of these translations - and the ones on the map are from there - so we have conflicting information...

However - I'm sure you're right - so I'll get the G-man to change them!

PS -> You missed the accent in Bretagne over the first e.

PPS - if Andalusia - is Andalucía - does that mean Valencia should be Valencía? (Same with Galacía?)

C.

I think you should try to make Deutschland fit somehow for consistency reasons.

Bretagne doesn't have an accent on the e in French as far as I know.

Valencia remains Valencia in Spanish.

[gimil]

Man you geograph nazi's are giving me a kick in the balls on this one!

Ill get an update for you later today.

[yeti_c]

I'm worried about the length of "Deutschland" - so might refrain from this on that basis.

Cheers for the help Ruben - I did look at wiki for some of these translations - and the ones on the map are from there - so we have conflicting information...

However - I'm sure you're right - so I'll get the G-man to change them!

PS -> You missed the accent in Bretagne over the first e.

PPS - if Andalusia - is Andalucía - does that mean Valencia should be Valencía? (Same with Galacía?)

C.

I think you should try to make Deutschland fit somehow for consistency reasons.

Bretagne doesn't have an accent on the e in French as far as I know.

Valencia remains Valencia in Spanish.

Odd - it does on this map...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran ... narrow.jpg

But not on this one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_ ... 477-fr.svg

C.

[Ruben Cassar]

Odd - it does on this map...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran ... narrow.jpg

But not on this one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_ ... 477-fr.svg

C.

That's not an accent on the first map. It's the border line which seems like an accent.

[cicero]

I remain concerned about the legend text (though it has improved in the latest version) ...

The first line on North Africa "Countries and regions can attack each other" seems confusing to me ... it seems to imply that all countries and regions can attack each other ... I know what it means, because I know how the map works, but I'm not sure that that part of the legend helps for someone who doesn't.

Legend wording ...
Using North Africa as the canvas ...
"Regions within a country can only attack bordering regions in the same country & the country on the minimap.
Countries on the minimap can only attack bordering countries on the minimap & regions in the same country."

[multiplayertim]

sorry misread map i understand how it works now the bonuses seem fine now. Italy does have one more territory but i don't know if that's enough to reward it with another army bonus

[yeti_c]

I remain concerned about the legend text (though it has improved in the latest version) ...

The first line on North Africa "Countries and regions can attack each other" seems confusing to me ... it seems to imply that all countries and regions can attack each other ... I know what it means, because I know how the map works, but I'm not sure that that part of the legend helps for someone who doesn't.

Legend wording ...
Using North Africa as the canvas ...
"Regions within a country can only attack bordering regions in the same country & the country on the minimap.
Countries on the minimap can only attack bordering countries on the minimap & regions in the same country."

Whilst I agree that these are probably better wordings - Gimil is loath to add more of Africa to provide enough space...

C.

[yeti_c]

Odd - it does on this map...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fran ... narrow.jpg

But not on this one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_ ... 477-fr.svg

C.

That's not an accent on the first map. It's the border line which seems like an accent.

Bugger!

C.

[yeti_c]

sorry misread map i understand how it works now the bonuses seem fine now. Italy does have one more territory but i don't know if that's enough to reward it with another army bonus

I think Italy should definitely become a 2 - as the other 3's have many more territories - and border more countries. Italy looks to be overpowered at 3 in the corner only bordering France.

C.

[gimil]

updated most thing, still feel there needs to be some discussion on the rules of the map.

[ZeakCytho]

updated most thing, still feel there needs to be some discussion on the rules of the map.

I remain concerned about the legend text (though it has improved in the latest version) ...

The first line on North Africa "Countries and regions can attack each other" seems confusing to me ... it seems to imply that all countries and regions can attack each other ... I know what it means, because I know how the map works, but I'm not sure that that part of the legend helps for someone who doesn't.

Legend wording ...
Using North Africa as the canvas ...
"Regions within a country can only attack bordering regions in the same country & the country on the minimap.
Countries on the minimap can only attack bordering countries on the minimap & regions in the same country."

Whilst I agree that these are probably better wordings - Gimil is loath to add more of Africa to provide enough space...

C.

The rules are unclear as they are now. Cicero's wording seems perfect to me, as it clears up all potential issues.

[gimil]

updated most thing, still feel there needs to be some discussion on the rules of the map.

I remain concerned about the legend text (though it has improved in the latest version) ...

The first line on North Africa "Countries and regions can attack each other" seems confusing to me ... it seems to imply that all countries and regions can attack each other ... I know what it means, because I know how the map works, but I'm not sure that that part of the legend helps for someone who doesn't.

Legend wording ...
Using North Africa as the canvas ...
"Regions within a country can only attack bordering regions in the same country & the country on the minimap.
Countries on the minimap can only attack bordering countries on the minimap & regions in the same country."

Whilst I agree that these are probably better wordings - Gimil is loath to add more of Africa to provide enough space...

C.

The rules are unclear as they are now. Cicero's wording seems perfect to me, as it clears up all potential issues.

I really dont wanna add more deadspace, I suppose ill try.

[hulmey]

this map doesnt look old or middle aged and its an interesting idea put forward but the map is boring looking. Lets see old and ancient with a medieval theme.

At the moment it just looks like another modern day europe map

[pamoa]

Nice map yeti_c, but...

Contries/territories names:
RHEINLAND
NEDERLAND_
CATALUNYA (in catalan)
VALÈNCIA (in valencian) [unicode= U+00C8 / html code= È ]
PREUßEN (if you still want it) [unicode= U+00DF / html code= ß ]

France and other french names are ok, Portugal also. "La France" is only the emphatic pompous way french people speak about themselves (I'm french) it's a bit like saying "THE United States of America".

Second point, with minimap being an important part of gameplay, you will have some size problem with 3 digits armies or 2 numbers plus color code. You have to make it bigger. You can remove the legend inside to gain space. I would also call it COUNTRIES and the bonus legend BONUS.
The 3 digits problem is also valid for the rest of the map!

And last, but it's more about my feeling, I find it too dark and hard to read.

I hope it will help, courage, go on!

PS. could put the latest version on page 1.

[ZeakCytho]

If you put the title on one line (it'll cut across Northern Scotland and Norway, but I think that will look okay) and move some names in Ireland around, you'd be able to enlarge the minimap box a fair amount.

I think the minimap attack lines still need work. They're just not very apparent right now. Consider making the routes curve outward so they're easy to see - from southern Ireland to Cornwall curved out into the Atlantic; from around the Midlands to the Netherlands curved into the North Sea, and from Cornwall to Normandy curved out into the Atlantic. Does that make sense? I'd also make them thicker...and maybe dotted, like most attack lines are?

[yeti_c]

Nice map yeti_c, but...

Contries/territories names:
RHEINLAND
NEDERLAND_
CATALUNYA (in catalan)
VALÈNCIA (in valencian) [unicode= U+00C8 / html code= È ]
PREUßEN (if you still want it) [unicode= U+00DF / html code= ß ]

France and other french names are ok, Portugal also. "La France" is only the emphatic pompous way french people speak about themselves (I'm french) it's a bit like saying "THE United States of America".

Second point, with minimap being an important part of gameplay, you will have some size problem with 3 digits armies or 2 numbers plus color code. You have to make it bigger. You can remove the legend inside to gain space. I would also call it COUNTRIES and the bonus legend BONUS.
The 3 digits problem is also valid for the rest of the map!

And last, but it's more about my feeling, I find it too dark and hard to read.

I hope it will help, courage, go on!

PS. could put the latest version on page 1.

Thanks for this - you and Ruben seem to have a conflict about Catalunya, Catalunia, Cataluna & Valencia....

I think we should stick with "Spanish" rather than the regional dialect of the region -> as they're are part of the area of Spanish... giving it the extra regional dialect would convey less Unity - which is what the premise of the map is all about!?

3 digits should be OK on the minimap - they may flow over borders - but they won't clash.

C.

PS -> It was last time I was on - the Gman updated it last night!!!

[gimil]

You still havent updated the title.