klobber - feedback abuse [Pending]

[hulmey]

KLOBBER

This player plays mainly on Circus Maximus maps (Escalating) and uses tactics that ensures most of the players he plays are new recruits. He then announces in game chat that he is going to give every player a +5 rating for every category.

I pulled up random games an within 2 minutes found 5 players he gave a +5 rating, even though they deadbeated and never said a word in chat. The players are listed below ;

Ninjua -
philsecure
SissitSuomesta
awirre
Octavian_Caesar

Its quite obvious that he is abusing the system to try and gain more medals and ratings. He is openly abusing the system. However, new players are not aware of what an unpleasant chap he really is! The other players in game that didnt deadbeat are left with a first very bad experience of Conquer Club.

[hulmey]

Wicked, merged the above post with a multi post dating back to the beginning of April. Then because that thread was getting trolled she locked it....

This is not a multi charge but one of feedback abuse! So please treat it as such!

[wicked]

And did you read what I wrote in that other thread? Repeated here.

As for the ratings abuse, that is still quite new, so we're still defining abuse really. Many people use the system not how it was intended by automatically leaving 5's for everyone. How is what he's doing any different than that? I had someone leave me a 5 for team and I suck at team. Should I report them? Two things will happen to the newbies who deadbeat and get 5's... they'll either never come back, so the rating is meaningless anyway, or they'll continue playing and that 5 will average out in the long run. Don't expect one person to singlehandedly warn the entire community of a deadbeat. If a player shows a history of deadbeating, it will show up in his rankings. With the previous feedback, even those with 50 negatives has positives as well.

[hulmey]

And did you read what I wrote in that other thread? Repeated here.

As for the ratings abuse, that is still quite new, so we're still defining abuse really. Many people use the system not how it was intended by automatically leaving 5's for everyone. How is what he's doing any different than that? I had someone leave me a 5 for team and I suck at team. Should I report them? Two things will happen to the newbies who deadbeat and get 5's... they'll either never come back, so the rating is meaningless anyway, or they'll continue playing and that 5 will average out in the long run. Don't expect one person to singlehandedly warn the entire community of a deadbeat. If a player shows a history of deadbeating, it will show up in his rankings. With the previous feedback, even those with 50 negatives has positives as well.

You can look at this as a case study!! I think its something that has to be addressed

[BeakerWMA]

And did you read what I wrote in that other thread? Repeated here.

As for the ratings abuse, that is still quite new, so we're still defining abuse really. Many people use the system not how it was intended by automatically leaving 5's for everyone. How is what he's doing any different than that? I had someone leave me a 5 for team and I suck at team. Should I report them? Two things will happen to the newbies who deadbeat and get 5's... they'll either never come back, so the rating is meaningless anyway, or they'll continue playing and that 5 will average out in the long run. Don't expect one person to singlehandedly warn the entire community of a deadbeat. If a player shows a history of deadbeating, it will show up in his rankings. With the previous feedback, even those with 50 negatives has positives as well.

You can look at this as a case study!! I think its something that has to be addressed

Agreed. Unless CC wants to go back to the drawing board again with their feedback system.

[king achilles]

There is an on going discussion about the ratings system on how we could improve it. Obviously, there have been some who misused the ratings system and from your experience, we are trying to get your inputs on how to make this better and modify it to make it more legible to everyone.

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=54737

[hulmey]

There is an on going discussion about the ratings system on how we could improve it. Obviously, there have been some who misused the ratings system and from your experience, we are trying to get your inputs on how to make this better and modify it to make it more legible to everyone.

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=54737

!!!!!

You are not authorised to read this forum.

[lancehoch]

hulmey, it is not just you. I cannot read it either.

[hulmey]

hulmey, it is not just you. I cannot read it either.

thought the king was playing a pratical joke on me

[Slom]

LOL. He put up about a dozen of his games earlier. I joined them all and about an hour later he dropped them and made a new batch. Guess he's afraid to face an actual opponent? Anyway, I joined his new batch. If he drops these it proves he's afraid. LOL.

[Slom]

OMG he dropped those games as well and put up a new batch. I try to join them and found out he FOE'd me. HES NEVER EVEN PLAYED ME BEFORE!!!!

[lancehoch]

Can we please remain on topic. This thread was created to discuss "ratings abuse" by a member. There is still discussion as to what constitutes ratings abuse and what to do about ratings abuse. If your posts are not related to this topic please do not post in this thread.

[KLOBBER]

Everything that Slom said about me above is a lie.

[jiminski]

Everything that Slom said about me above is a lie.

heheh.. you repeatedly make this assertion and it is clearly never true. There is a direct parallel between this debating tactic and your blanket rating of '5' for people who do not even play a single turn. .. honestly what is that about?

Do you seek to undermine truth?

[trapyoung]

heheh.. you repeatedly make this assertion and it is clearly never true. There is a direct parallel between this debating tactic and your blanket rating of '5' for people who do not even play a single turn. .. honestly what is that about?

Do you seek to undermine truth?

he isn't trying to undermine the truth, just klobber it

[InsomniaRed]

I just went to join some games because I like playing Circus Maximus and....


I've only played one game with him and nothing went badly in the game. I didn't win, he didn't even win...I don't understand what I did wrong.

[jiminski]

Game 2505752


2008-06-14 13:06:45 - fireburnscold was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-09 13:17:21 - spearce was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-10 13:17:21 - catchat4 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-11 13:17:21 - Norris was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-12 13:17:21 - xufan1089 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3


fireburnscold's : 5 Stars from Klobber for all ratings
spearce : 5 Stars from Klobber for all ratings
catchat4 : 5 Stars from Klobber for all ratings
Norris : 5 Stars from Klobber for all ratings
xufan1089 : 5 Stars from Klobber for all ratings

[trapyoung]

I don't understand what I did wrong.

you showed up and have shown some sign of ability to play

[Frop]

For poops & giggles I tried joining one of his games, only to find out I'm on his foe list as well. For the record, I've never played a game with KLOBBER (Game Finder). With the amount of people on his foe list he must find it troublesome to navigate this forum...

Example:
This post was made by InsomniaRed who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
This post was made by jiminski who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
This post was made by trapyoung who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
This post was made by Frop who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

[hulmey]

For poops & giggles I tried joining one of his games, only to find out I'm on his foe list as well. For the record, I've never played a game with KLOBBER (Game Finder). With the amount of people on his foe list he must find it troublesome to navigate this forum...

Example:
This post was made by InsomniaRed who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
This post was made by jiminski who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
This post was made by trapyoung who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
This post was made by Frop who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

I think he can see our posts coz im on his ignore list as well

[wicked]

This thread isn't about Foe lists people. And Klobber, just because a post is off-topic doen't make it spam.

[hulmey]

This thread isn't about Foe lists people. And Klobber, just because a post is off-topic doen't make it spam.

yeah pls lets stay on topic....Klobber is trying to get this thread locked

[jiminski]

Game 2525038

2008-06-10 21:23:02 - Chris_gottschalk was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-12 03:36:36 - genuinepope was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-13 03:36:36 - chocobo1900 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-14 03:36:36 - jugskins05 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3

Chris_gottschalk - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER
genuinepope - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER
chocobo1900 - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER
jugskins05 - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER


Gamechat is an enlightening perusal too:

2008-06-03 03:56:24 - thenotoriousmat: this is lame - somebody please play this stupid game
2008-06-04 05:11:26 - thenotoriousmat: why can't i quit this stupid game?
2008-06-05 13:15:00 - KLOBBER: All you have to do to quit is to miss 3 turns in a row. Then you'll quit automatically -- it's easy!
2008-06-05 13:15:03 - KLOBBER: : )
2008-06-05 13:15:59 - KLOBBER: By the way, Chris, have you got any chalk?
2008-06-05 13:16:04 - KLOBBER: Just kidding!
2008-06-05 13:16:11 - KLOBBER: ; )
2008-06-06 16:07:55 - waseemalim: Kill red, that way u all get the most points
2008-06-06 16:08:11 - waseemalim: he is also the toughest opponent
2008-06-11 21:28:17 - Valentinez: lol
2008-06-12 07:43:17 - thenotoriousmat: but each friggin turn takes a week to skip
2008-06-13 01:18:19 - Valentinez: and klobber has a nice crown from this
2008-06-13 01:20:55 - Valentinez: take a look a the joined and last visited times on the drop outs
2008-06-13 01:23:44 - Valentinez: all the "?" are klobber imo
2008-06-13 01:24:00 - Valentinez: cheater
2008-06-14 09:38:33 - Valentinez: imo
2008-06-14 12:03:14 - KLOBBER: Val, CC Admin has cleared me of any and all accusations.
2008-06-14 12:04:05 - KLOBBER: Thenot, it only takes 1 day to skip a turn.
2008-06-14 12:05:02 - KLOBBER: By the way, guys, I'm in the habit of giving out all 5's for every player in my games. : )
2008-06-14 14:59:44 - Valentinez: ok, sry
2008-06-14 15:00:25 - Valentinez: you seem like a decent guy
2008-06-14 16:32:41 - Valentinez: but some of these "?" don't deserve any stars.
2008-06-14 17:18:08 - KLOBBER: Which one?
2008-06-14 20:52:37 - Valentinez: the deadbeatz
2008-06-15 01:44:36 - PiratD: damn it my last move sucked hard,,,,argh
2008-06-15 01:45:21 - PiratD: i deployed at the wrong spot,,and then just hit auto attack out of frustration,,:P damn you bad temper you gonna make me lose haha
2008-06-15 02:40:49 - KLOBBER: Still, I'm in the habit of rating everyone with all 5's.
2008-06-15 02:40:56 - KLOBBER: : )
2008-06-19 22:10:35 - KLOBBER: Good game guys! Thank you very much.
2008-06-19 22:10:46 - KLOBBER: I've rated you with all 5's. : )

Valentinez did not receive all 5's as rating.

[hulmey]

Game 2525038

2008-06-10 21:23:02 - Chris_gottschalk was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-12 03:36:36 - genuinepope was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-13 03:36:36 - chocobo1900 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3
2008-06-14 03:36:36 - jugskins05 was kicked out for missing too many turns in round - 3

Chris_gottschalk - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER
genuinepope - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER
chocobo1900 - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER
jugskins05 - 5 Star ratings throughout from KLOBBER


Gamechat is an enlightening perusal too:

2008-06-03 03:56:24 - thenotoriousmat: this is lame - somebody please play this stupid game
2008-06-04 05:11:26 - thenotoriousmat: why can't i quit this stupid game?
2008-06-05 13:15:00 - KLOBBER: All you have to do to quit is to miss 3 turns in a row. Then you'll quit automatically -- it's easy!
2008-06-05 13:15:03 - KLOBBER: : )
2008-06-05 13:15:59 - KLOBBER: By the way, Chris, have you got any chalk?
2008-06-05 13:16:04 - KLOBBER: Just kidding!
2008-06-05 13:16:11 - KLOBBER: ; )
2008-06-06 16:07:55 - waseemalim: Kill red, that way u all get the most points
2008-06-06 16:08:11 - waseemalim: he is also the toughest opponent
2008-06-11 21:28:17 - Valentinez: lol
2008-06-12 07:43:17 - thenotoriousmat: but each friggin turn takes a week to skip
2008-06-13 01:18:19 - Valentinez: and klobber has a nice crown from this
2008-06-13 01:20:55 - Valentinez: take a look a the joined and last visited times on the drop outs
2008-06-13 01:23:44 - Valentinez: all the "?" are klobber imo
2008-06-13 01:24:00 - Valentinez: cheater
2008-06-14 09:38:33 - Valentinez: imo
2008-06-14 12:03:14 - KLOBBER: Val, CC Admin has cleared me of any and all accusations.
2008-06-14 12:04:05 - KLOBBER: Thenot, it only takes 1 day to skip a turn.
2008-06-14 12:05:02 - KLOBBER: By the way, guys, I'm in the habit of giving out all 5's for every player in my games. : )
2008-06-14 14:59:44 - Valentinez: ok, sry
2008-06-14 15:00:25 - Valentinez: you seem like a decent guy
2008-06-14 16:32:41 - Valentinez: but some of these "?" don't deserve any stars.
2008-06-14 17:18:08 - KLOBBER: Which one?
2008-06-14 20:52:37 - Valentinez: the deadbeatz
2008-06-15 01:44:36 - PiratD: damn it my last move sucked hard,,,,argh
2008-06-15 01:45:21 - PiratD: i deployed at the wrong spot,,and then just hit auto attack out of frustration,,:P damn you bad temper you gonna make me lose haha
2008-06-15 02:40:49 - KLOBBER: Still, I'm in the habit of rating everyone with all 5's.
2008-06-15 02:40:56 - KLOBBER: : )
2008-06-19 22:10:35 - KLOBBER: Good game guys! Thank you very much.
2008-06-19 22:10:46 - KLOBBER: I've rated you with all 5's. : )

Valentinez did not receive all 5's as rating.

nice one jim, any news from the mods about this blantant abuse?"!?!?!

[herndawg]

I just went to join some games because I like playing Circus Maximus and....


I've only played one game with him and nothing went badly in the game. I didn't win, he didn't even win...I don't understand what I did wrong.

There is a whole thread on this lets get it goin again eh? viewtopic.php?f=5&t=49762&p=1309865#p1309865
He caught you before you got in his games that's all. I got in two and then, well you can check the post and this should re-direct the bunny trails and get the thread back to feedback.

So, I did not recieve good feedback from Klobber for winning the games. Just foed. but, whatever.