Kidpat, cohorts [Blocked, Busted, Score Reset]

[Lexitonia5]

I'm with Cisco, definitely looks suspicious. They didn't join at the same time as a lot of multi violators tend to do but clearly Dinamitebla seems to be a convenience for KidPat. In at least one of those games, except for a few minor swipes at each other resulting in no loss of strength, Dinamitebla seemed to have the "job" of clearing the board for KidPat.

That is really unfair to other players that have lost points and that KidPat's rank is so high as a result of what is clearly cheating, a very bad record of alliances if nothing else.

Added: No surprise but when they do win, KidPat is always the winner.

[cisco2001]

Does it seem strange to anyone that none of the accused have stepped forward to defend themselves? Not one peep...

[delboy01]

Probably not done joined up writing at school yet!!!

[mccallan25]

Isn't it amazing how many games are needed for someone to determine (CC) that someone is cheating. Seeing sequential play more then 3x in a row should always raise an eyebrow let alone 10-15 times in multiple games.

Why not just bar play with each other quickly. This eliminates the constant point feeding. The free accounts are taking away from our paid accounts enjoyment of the game.

Since most of the cheaters play for free why not have a section for premium members only?

[cisco2001]

That's an interesting idea. Blocking players that have been accused of cheating would, at least, stop the bleeding until the issue is settled. Unfortunately, there is the potential of abuse. Regardless, it's very unfair to let these players continue cheating and taking points.

[Frop]

tasdevil, also from Italy, has played a total of 28 games. 10 of which were with KIDPAT (50% won) and 18 with Sres (66% won, 3 still in progress). You can find the Game Finder links here, here and here respectively.

The two active games mentioned above have ended by now, both have been won by Sres (granting him another 171 points). Fortunately both very clearly show tasdevil setting up Sres for an easy elimination and consequently an easy victory (back to back turns included).

Game 2443187
2008-05-31 12:54:09 - tasdevil receives 3 armies for 5 territories
(...)
2008-05-31 12:57:01 - tasdevil attacked Western United States from Ontario and conquered it from Whitelodge
(...)
2008-05-31 12:57:48 - tasdevil attacked East Africa from Middle East and conquered it from Whitelodge
2008-05-31 12:57:55 - tasdevil attacked South Africa from East Africa and conquered it from Whitelodge
2008-05-31 12:58:03 - tasdevil attacked North Africa from East Africa and conquered it from Whitelodge
2008-05-31 12:58:19 - tasdevil attacked Egypt from East Africa and conquered it from Whitelodge
2008-05-31 12:59:16 - tasdevil gets a card
2008-05-31 13:20:36 - Sres receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2008-05-31 13:20:40 - Sres cashed in a set of China, Venezuela, and Northern Europe worth 25 armies
(...)
2008-05-31 13:23:41 - Sres attacked Yakutsk from Siberia and conquered it from interzone
2008-05-31 13:23:54 - Sres attacked Ural from Siberia and conquered it from tasdevil
2008-05-31 13:24:06 - Sres attacked Mongolia from Siberia and conquered it from tasdevil
2008-05-31 13:24:12 - Sres attacked China from Mongolia and conquered it from tasdevil
2008-05-31 13:24:22 - Sres attacked Japan from Mongolia and conquered it from Whitelodge
2008-05-31 13:24:22 - Sres eliminated Whitelodge from the game
(...)
2008-05-31 13:31:42 - Sres gains 108 points

Game 2504957
2008-06-08 14:13:27 - tasdevil receives 3 armies for 1 territories
2008-06-08 14:13:31 - tasdevil cashed in a set of Western Australia, New Guinea, and Afghanistan worth 15 armies
2008-06-08 14:14:43 - tasdevil deployed 18 armies on Scandinavia
2008-06-08 14:18:02 - tasdevil attacked Great Britain from Scandinavia and conquered it from Budman49684
2008-06-08 14:18:38 - tasdevil gets a card
2008-06-08 14:19:11 - Sres receives 2 armies for holding Oceania
2008-06-08 14:19:11 - Sres receives 3 armies for 11 territories
2008-06-08 14:19:15 - Sres cashed in a set of Iceland, Western United States, and East Africa worth 20 armies
2008-06-08 14:19:38 - Sres deployed 25 armies on Ukraine
2008-06-08 14:19:51 - Sres attacked Scandinavia from Ukraine and conquered it from tasdevil
2008-06-08 14:20:04 - Sres attacked Great Britain from Scandinavia and conquered it from tasdevil
2008-06-08 14:20:04 - Sres eliminated tasdevil from the game
(...)
2008-06-10 17:17:24 - Sres gains 63 points

[cisco2001]

Goodnight! He just, blatantly, opened all of the doors and let Sres do the easy clean up. I can't believe that this is being allowed to continue. Great find Frop. KIDPAT'S MO is the same with all of his multis. The worst part is that he has the balls to slip in more than one of his multis into a game. He's got three players in one of my games right now. I've got a better chance of winning the lottery than winning that game. I really dislike those kids.

[delboy01]

I find it unbelieveable that the multi's are allowed to complete the games they are in. They should have their accounts removed with immediate effect once they are found out. The excuses given for not doing so are weak to say the least. This is the one thing that will stop me from renewing my membership again.

[Frop]

Even if 'they' were found guilty the main account would still be able to finish the games. In fact he/she can buy premium again right after.

I'm still quite sure what I said above applies to CC, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Lets say KIDPAT and Sres are 2 different persons who use heyday and tasdevil as (possibly shared) multis. A likely scenario given that they are both premium, but the fact that they both seem to use the same freemium multis could also suggest there's one 'main' account (KIDPAT) and a 'backup' account (Sres). My best bet is that KIDPAT would be busted with one multi and Sres with the other. On top of that KIDPAT would be blocked from playing with Sres and they would both lose their premium. They would, however, be able to finish any active games with their main accounts and rebuy premium right after. As seen with Mystique's pending(?) case it also does not seem all that difficult to continue cheating right after you were busted.

P.S. I'm not sure what the 'minimum score gained by cheating' is for a score reset, but it doesn't happen often enough to my liking and seems quite arbitrary (surprising given that most forms of cheating serve to gain points).

[delboy01]

I was in a 3 player game with a busted multi and both 'players' were allowed to complete the game!!! I and the other players caught up in this had to watch as this guy beat all of us, thus robbing us of points after he had been caught with his hand in the cookie jar!!!! Very, very poor customer service.

yep we know we have caught this burgular robbing your house but we have to let him finish before carting him off to jail.......

[Frop]

I was in a 3 player game with a busted multi and both 'players' were allowed to complete the game!!! I and the other players caught up in this had to watch as this guy beat all of us, thus robbing us of points after he had been caught with his hand in the cookie jar!!!! Very, very poor customer service.

yep we know we have caught this burgular robbing your house but we have to let him finish before carting him off to jail.......

That analogy has potential, but in this case the burglar also got to keep what he could've potentially stolen from you in the first place (not to mention he could get out on bail without a crime record for 25 dollars).

[Slom]

Its all about the money... and it seems the people at the top are cheap, greedy bastards.

[cisco2001]

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, KIDPAT and his triplets are in some of my games. It's relevant to note that he won the game that included a couple of his cohorts. However, he did join one of my games without the help of his multis and I was able to take him out VERY easily. This is just another example that illustrates that he is a below average player by himself. I've watched his strategy in my games and I KNOW that there is no chance in Hell that he could have gotten to his rank without the help of his multis.

I'm looking forward to seeing this jerk get a score reset and seeing how high his rank will be after being forced to play fairly.

[Frop]

I'm looking forward to seeing this jerk get a score reset and seeing how high his rank will be after being forced to play fairly.

Thank you CC Map Rank, another brilliant plugin by chipv.

[cisco2001]

They need to make you a hunter. Lock the door and throw away the key. There is no way that KIDPAT and his cronies can walk away from this. This has permaban or reset written all over it. This is an incredible find and a very slick tool.

[Frop]

This is an incredible find and a very slick tool.

Yes, but I realize now that they have also played games with more than one of the bunch involved. Obviously there's an overlap right now as the tool doesn't take this into account (you can only search 2 players at once). The grand totals aren't accurate, but at least it gives an indication of the points gained.

[Squirly]

I did not read this whole thread but I laughed when I saw it. Kidpat was in a few games with me. I thought he was suspicious and I noticed there was a new recruit (also from Italy) in the game (tasdevil). I checked out some of his other games and noticed he is always in games with other new recruits form Italy and he always seems to win. I think I reported him for multiple accounts and if I remember correctly he was blocked form playing with some of them. I see he is still creating new accounts to cheat with and they continue to let him use the site. My problem with him was a long time ago, he went on my ignore so I never had probs w/him again. Just put him on your ignore list (foe list) and then forget about him. What a loser!

[cisco2001]

He was blocked a couple of weeks ago from playing with HeyDay but, at that time, they thought it was an alliance. Now, it's obvious that he has many multis. Lack just updated that thread to note that they were doing more investigating. It's just a matter of time until they hang him out to dry.
At this point he's had two blocks. It's time for a more meaningful punishment. This is a top 50 player that has reached that rank solely by virtue of cheating.

[cisco2001]

Please check out this game:

Game 2571592

Sres was about to wipe the map but left KIDPAT with 1 army and 5 cards. PLEASE

Now, I'm sure KIDPAT will make a remarkable come from behind win. Unbelievable.

[Squirly]

Conquer Club seems to be many different things to many different people. To some people it is nothing more than a silly game and to others it is as serious as life and death. None of these people are wrong as long as they play w/in the rules. To people like Kidpat CC is still a game but a different game than the rest of us are playing. Their game has become how much they can cheat and get away with it. These type of people should be removed from the CC community for good.

[king sam]

The free accounts are taking away from our paid accounts enjoyment of the game.

Since most of the cheaters play for free why not have a section for premium members only?

Said the best... And this will be one of the reasons i will not be renewing my account

[glide]

In my humble opinion, Conquer Club is losing credibility allowing these jerks to "get away with it"...it's a slap in the face to honest players, and it is the main reason why I play 99% of my games within my XI family. Enough is indeed enough! Let's have some meaningful punishment, and make it well publicized. And the "Wall of Shame" would look good in a more prominent location as well.
Tens of thousands of honest players are being screwed by these jerks. Let's deal with it. Our "Cops" are doing a great job....now we just need our "Judges" to do a great job as well.

[cicero]

And the "Wall of Shame" would look good in a more prominent location as well.

Where is it at the moment glide?
I have to admit I didn't know there was one.

[delboy01]

In my humble opinion, Conquer Club is losing credibility allowing these jerks to "get away with it"...it's a slap in the face to honest players, and it is the main reason why I play 99% of my games within my XI family. Enough is indeed enough! Let's have some meaningful punishment, and make it well publicized. And the "Wall of Shame" would look good in a more prominent location as well.
Tens of thousands of honest players are being screwed by these jerks. Let's deal with it. Our "Cops" are doing a great job....now we just need our "Judges" to do a great job as well.

Well said. The punishment in the case of cheats is quiet honestly pathetic when you consider the amount of work that goes in to busting someone. They simply pay up again and create new multi's and off they go again. I very seldom play outside of xi unless it's singles. It seems like 50% of the public games you enter are either multi's or secret alliances. And then you have the players that have to have an alliance even in a 3 player game right from the start...... Where the hell is the skill in that.

Anyone caught more than once should have their sign up fee doubled.

[cisco2001]

I understand all of your frustrations. However, we can do something about it. Even if they create new identities, at least, they have been forced to face the music. Setting examples like this shows the other players on this site that cheaters are will be made accountable. KIDPAT does have the choice of stepping forward and admitting to what he did.

He has the opportunity to gain back his honor by publicly confessing and apologizing.

Finally, multis can be beaten. Take a look at the game below. KIDPAT, with help, is still not a very skilled player....lol.

Game 2571598