6 New Recruits [cleared]

[InsomniaRed]

Accused:

• claytonmugge
• pureownage
• live way
• bubolz21
• big_fish2
• mermidon

The accused are suspected of:

• Being Multis

Game number(s):

• Game 2391493

Comments:
They all registered one after the other, and it just looks extremely suspicious to me. Sorry if I am wrong, but I just thought I'd make a note of it.

[InsomniaRed]

Can I add this as well?
Accused:

• lordofthen
• barhoom
• Kalevala
• kkaled
• sayf12
• ajmoroder

The accused are suspected of:
Multi Account

Game number(s):

• Game 2391489
  

Comments:
It looks as though zimmm may be making these multi accounts to play against himself? I may be looking too far into this, but I just want to be sure he/she is not cheating.

[Trooper_TK1287]

Here's an example of 10 games. Unfortunately, I'm playing one with him, I mistakingly joined it. All of his accounts signed up one after another, and he takes turns one after another.

2391493
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* claytonmugge ( 0-0 )
* pureownage ( 0-0 )
* live way ( 0-0 )
* Bubolz21 ( 0-0 )
* big_fish2 ( 0-0 )
* mermidon ( 0-0 )

2391490
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* claytonmugge ( 0-0 )
* live way ( 0-0 )
* foreverblowingbu ( 0-0 )
* entourage ( 0-0 )

2391489
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* lordofthen ( 0-0 )
* omri64 ( 0-0 )
* barhoom ( 0-0 )
* Kalevala ( 0-0 )
* kkaled ( 0-0 )
* sayf12 ( 0-0 )
* ajmoroder ( 0-0 )

2385314
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* benjamenlewis ( 0-0 )
* pachead87 ( 0-0 )
* Woogabear ( 0-0 )
* JohnnyTeusday ( 0-0 )

2385312
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* aoppenhei ( 0-0 )
* StarvinMarvin ( 0-0 )
* Schilldo ( 0-0 )
* husky ( 0-0 )
* Ean ( 0-0 )

2377284
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* Pulinski ( 2-0 )
* ChrisGT ( 0-0 )
* becbec2 ( 0-0 )
* JaxJaguar ( 0-0 )
* fazooloo ( 0-0 )
* pall.e ( 0-0 )

2350334
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* ingaken ( 0-0 )
* sik_em_dawgs ( 0-0 )
* XxEndlesslyxX ( 0-0 )
* flave155 ( 0-0 )
* jesse_mcginnis ( 0-0 )

2350332
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* asm ( 0-0 )
* Welshshaun ( 0-0 )
* buttface ( 0-0 )
* Legatus ( 0-0 )
* stesicoro ( 0-0 )

2350330
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* Pulinski ( 2-0 )
* apv1 ( 0-0 )
* jimmylobe ( 0-0 )
* jntowie ( 0-0 )
* Machado ( 0-0 )

2350326
* zimmm ( 19-4 )
* Jakes1 ( 0-0 )
* AsAWiseManSaid ( 0-0 )
* Pulinski ( 2-0 )
* matteolonghi ( 0-0 )
* dewdarios ( 0-0 )

[Scott-Land]

they're all from different countries except for 2 from Aussie / big fish and pureownage

[InsomniaRed]

You're right Scott. I didn't know if when you joined you chose your country or not, I had forgotten. I guess this can be disregarded. It just looked odd to me to have them all join one after the other and all be in the same game.

[Trooper_TK1287]

One can have their IP bounced off of anywhere if one knows how the internet works. His IP changed every 20 minutes probably.

[Scott-Land]

You're right Scott. I didn't know if when you joined you chose your country or not, I had forgotten. I guess this can be disregarded. It just looked odd to me to have them all join one after the other and all be in the same game.

you might be on to something with the Aussies.... i have or had like 10-12 guys from Aussie on my ignore. I suspected by their play they were multis. not saying these guys are-

[InsomniaRed]

Yeah Scott-- I know about your never-ending problems with Aussies, it's sometimes a bit entertaining though to watch you get mad at them . I dunno about these guys.

[treefiddy]

Zimmm has a pretty regular pattern to his games. It looks like every now and then he'll start 4 games with the exact same settings. He has 4 up right now with no one in it. I do the same thing (normally about 16 games instead of 4) and I sometimes end up with several new recruits in one game. It's possible he gets them more because he makes Freestyle games which if I had to guess, aren't as popular as sequential games. The games eventually get to the first page for new recruits, and they all join because it's the first on the list.

[InsomniaRed]

Zimmm has a pretty regular pattern to his games. It looks like every now and then he'll start 4 games with the exact same settings. He has 4 up right now with no one in it. I do the same thing (normally about 16 games instead of 4) and I sometimes end up with several new recruits in one game. It's possible he gets them more because he makes Freestyle games which if I had to guess, aren't as popular as sequential games. The games eventually get to the first page for new recruits, and they all join because it's the first on the list.

That makes sense as well, like I said I wasn't sure about this and I really didn't have much evidence, and I'm sorry if this topic is a complete waste, I just for some reason thought it should be noted in case there is cheating going on. Why someone would take the time to have that many accounts and take all those turns and make that many e-mail, I have no idea. I guess I didn't think this through as well as I should have and I'm sorry for the accusation.

[treefiddy]

Don't worry about it. If you see suspicious stuff, it's a good idea to report it. You went into it with an open mind; so it doesn't hurt anybody.

[Trooper_TK1287]

Look at the game 2391493 which I am in. They join right CC right after another. Members in my game took turns after one another in groups of two. Take turn, sign out, log in, take turn, sign out.

claytonmugge
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 10:40 pm

pureownage
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 10:59 pm

live way
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 11:14 pm

Bubolz21
Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 11:29 pm

[Kemmler]

they may just be the newest people on the site... you get things like this happening all the time

Game 2302456
Game 2299342

[Trooper_TK1287]

Seriously guys, just watch the game. Zimmm is setting things up with the multiaccounts to eliminate others. Look what he's doing right now, he deployed 3 on Eastern Aussie with yellow last turn to isolate cyan down there. Then he had green attack siam to get rid of cyan in Asia. Yakusk is cyan's last territory, and it's right next to red. Check his other games, even in one of his feedback someone said that they felt it was set up.

[Bruceswar]

Zimmm has a pretty regular pattern to his games. It looks like every now and then he'll start 4 games with the exact same settings. He has 4 up right now with no one in it. I do the same thing (normally about 16 games instead of 4) and I sometimes end up with several new recruits in one game. It's possible he gets them more because he makes Freestyle games which if I had to guess, aren't as popular as sequential games. The games eventually get to the first page for new recruits, and they all join because it's the first on the list.

Being a Freestyle player and a Terminator player, I can tell you this happens on RARE occasion. He surely does have a lot all at once. Also the country flag means nothing. With a few proxies you can have 20 different counties in a matter of minutes. Now I am not saying this guy is a cheat or not, but maybe it needs to be looked into. I never had a problem filling my freestyle terminator games.

[VERBATIM666]

It's become rampant within the last few weeks I have seen many games the same.
But I think nothing will be done about it.
I myself tend to ignore the new recruits and hammer at the people with rank otr the ones I suspect of running the multi accounts.
When you have multi accounts wound'nt be hard to remember all the passwords I guess thats one way the mods could figure it out.
Look at my games and see how many new recruits played not even 1 turn.
So I don't think it's random it's been getting to be a real pain to play a game for fun instead of trying to find out someone cheating to win.

[InsomniaRed]

I dunno, this is the first time I've even posted in the forum so I guess I don't really know what I was doing when I did this. I guess I didn't think about it.

[Bruceswar]

I dunno, this is the first time I've even posted in the forum so I guess I don't really know what I was doing when I did this. I guess I didn't think about it.

Sure you did. This happens a lot where new players will all join the same game aka multis. Not saying this is one of those cases, but it could be. Usually the game creator has nothing to do with these multis.

[InsomniaRed]

I dunno, this is the first time I've even posted in the forum so I guess I don't really know what I was doing when I did this. I guess I didn't think about it.

Sure you did. This happens a lot where new players will all join the same game aka multis. Not saying this is one of those cases, but it could be. Usually the game creator has nothing to do with these multis.

Well, I hope not but it just looks suspicious because it seems like this guy has more of these new recruits filled in his games than others. I mean Bruce, I've seen some games of yours where there are 6 new recruits, but does that happen in 4/5ths of your games? Nah. That's all, it just looked incredibly odd to me.

[Bruceswar]

I dunno, this is the first time I've even posted in the forum so I guess I don't really know what I was doing when I did this. I guess I didn't think about it.

Sure you did. This happens a lot where new players will all join the same game aka multis. Not saying this is one of those cases, but it could be. Usually the game creator has nothing to do with these multis.

Well, I hope not but it just looks suspicious because it seems like this guy has more of these new recruits filled in his games than others. I mean Bruce, I've seen some games of yours where there are 6 new recruits, but does that happen in 4/5ths of your games? Nah. That's all, it just looked incredibly odd to me.

Where there is smoke there is fire?

[InsomniaRed]

I dunno, this is the first time I've even posted in the forum so I guess I don't really know what I was doing when I did this. I guess I didn't think about it.

Sure you did. This happens a lot where new players will all join the same game aka multis. Not saying this is one of those cases, but it could be. Usually the game creator has nothing to do with these multis.

Well, I hope not but it just looks suspicious because it seems like this guy has more of these new recruits filled in his games than others. I mean Bruce, I've seen some games of yours where there are 6 new recruits, but does that happen in 4/5ths of your games? Nah. That's all, it just looked incredibly odd to me.

Where there is smoke there is fire?

Um...maybe? Yes?....what?

[scarface99x]

This was a trend I think started by klobber wasn't it? Now everyone is doing it. The multi wars continue! It was funny when that one guy joined klobs game and killed him with multis. Either way yes multis they are.

[InsomniaRed]

This was a trend I think started by klobber wasn't it? Now everyone is doing it. The multi wars continue! It was funny when that one guy joined klobs game and killed him with multis. Either way yes multis they are.

So you think they're multis? I think it's possible. And this has been done before? I mean I know some people have been busted with 1 or 2 multi accounts but...6? 10? 20? That's a bit extreme.

[lancehoch]

I have seen up to 10 at once; I do not remember the thread, but it was back in January or this year.

[InsomniaRed]

I have seen up to 10 at once; I do not remember the thread, but it was back in January or this year.

Wow that's crazy. I guess nothing is too extreme for some cheaters.