Han Solo [Busted]

[buzzpower]

Accused:

• Han Solo
  
  The accused are suspected of:
  
  • Being Multis
  • Other: Operating a team of multiple players
  
  Game number(s):
  
  • Game 2261239
  • Game 2261242
  • Game 2261243
  • Game 2261246
  • Game 2261247
  • Game 2261248
  • Game 2261296

Comments:
Recently, this player accused me of running a giant network of new players in order to win at my favorite game type, Doodle Earth Assasin. The entire thread and my subsequent clearance can be seen here: viewtopic.php?t=48355

I recently started a new batch of 50 games of my favorite game type. I noticed that I had the eight person games fill up extremely fast. Then I looked and saw that Han Solo had joined in right at the tail end of these new accounts joining. Now Han Solo implied in his thread on me that no player would actually want to join a game like this, so I was surprised to see him joining these games.

I was also surprised to discover that every single one of these new player joined a game of mine, using all 4 of their free games. I managed to put Han on my foe list before he had a chance to join Game 2261237 which is the 8th game I gather he wanted to join with these new accounts. When Han couldn't join that game, he PM'ed me and I replied. The contents are posted below:

Re: "?"

Sent at: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:19 am
by buzzpower
I excluded you because I frankly don't want to have to deal with you making any more spurious claims and I no longer value you as a player due to your attacking me. Plus, I don't want to have to spend anymore time defending myself from random conspiracy theories.

So, good riddance. It is my right to blacklist you from my games.

* Quote Han Solo

"?"

Sent at: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:46 am
by Han Solo
hey, why did you suddenly put me on ignore ? I was interested to see your games "life". I saw that (again) many "?" were joining you.... excluding me makes me even more suspicious.

As you can see, Han makes a strange comment about wanting to see my games "life" even though he had difficulty in accepting the decision handed down by the multi hunter. As the games progressed, it quickly became clear that these new accounts were trying to get Han a victory. In these 7 games, Han won each time. However, he only won by eliminating his own target 2 times (2261242 and 2261296), both of the times after another one of the players weakened his target. The other 5 times, he won after the other players killed his target. This may happen occasionally, but you can clearly see from the battle log that these new players went through other players to attack his target.

As this case of cheating became painfully obvious, I sent Han another PM which is quoted below:

Re: suspicious

Sent at: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:57 am
From: Han Solo
To: buzzpower

buzzpower wrote:This is getting downright suspicious that you keep "winning" all of these games after new accounts take out your target.

Quite strange and I hope you have a good explanation for this because it will soon appear on the cheating board.



oh yes, i've seen that. it's really amazing, isn't it ? I've heard those things happen all the time on those games ? or maybe a standard deviation ? i don't see more explanations than the ones you had.

Here, he clearly makes reference to my case and shows that he is still upset about me not getting busted for multis. In the course of my case, I tried to explain to him that he didn't understand statistics enough to make his case built on that, so that is where the standard deviation idea comes from.

In conclusion, it is obvious that Han Solo subverted the rules of CC in order to get back at because he lost the case he built against me. Not only is this the act of a big baby, he also operated a team of multiple accounts in order to seek revenge in game. In doing so, he clearly broke the rules and should be punished as such.

[buzzpower]

bump to get above other Han Solo thread

[ParadiceCity9]

dude i already made a thread about this.

[buzzpower]

But you didn't add any evidence. The hunters will just see your thread and your 1 sentence and have no context as to the case.

[ParadiceCity9]

well you could have just added your evidence to my thread since i made it first.

[deltaray]

Speaking as someone who accused KLOBBER of cheating and tried to back it up with mathematical evidence. I think CC is a tough dog to predict. After creating 11 FOW Circus Maximus games and watching all of them take days for anyone to join, only to have new players join once they reached the top of the list from the point of view of new players, I can see that there are definately some types of games that experienced players don't like playing and some experienced players love to play (or are stupid enough to keep trying).

Doodle Earth Assassin "might" be one of those, but I don't think so. A lot of people play Doodle earth in assassin mode because its such a fast game and a lot of fun. I've played a few times myself and if you search for that type of game you'll find a lot of experienced players playing them. I think this type of game would fill up within a day, so it would be unlikely to attract so many new players. Especially in such an order.

The real question is though. Is it buzzpower who is cheating or Han Solo. Or are they the same person. I really don't know and don't care to accuse anyone. But the fact that all the new accounts come from different countries should prove my point that its possible for someone to have control of machines in various parts of the internet and use them as proxies.

[Lubawski]

I've played with Han Solo many times, and would vouche for his honesty. When looking at the games, it seems obvious though that something dishonest went on. I have a few more questions however.
First, it seems from the reports that Han Solo accused Buzzpower of cheating (using this same method) in the past. Knowing how Han Solo thinks (he is very righteous in his honesty), I could definately see him joining these games to see if Buzzpower was "still up to it." If that were the case, could Buzzpower have originally set up these games for purposes of cheating, but then see the opportunity to set Han Solo up? I don't know Buzzpower, so I hate how I sound so accusatory here, but I do know Han Solo very well, and this is very unlike his character. Also, why risk joining an eight player game with many alias' first, then have to scramble to join as the eighth player. It would risk missing out on these games. Had he joined 2nd, then 6 newbies came in behind him, it would make sense.
Have these newbies played anything since these doodle games? If they went cold, they were definately set up for the purpose of cheating.
Just my thoughts. I hate seeing someone so honorable being accused of something so serious.

[buzzpower]

Wow, both of the people who posted above have some serious mental deficiencies. I can't make heads or tails of either of their statements, rather it looks like a random assortment of text.

But I would only expect member of his own "clan" to defend him.

I'd also like to note that the final 6 person game just filled up today. Today, not the same day I created the games.

[cisco2001]

I'm copying this post from the orginal thread started by Paradice City:

(I don't know if he's cheating. However, it looks VERY suspicious. All the newbies joined on 4/20/08 and all are international. What is really strange is that the newbies all joined the same games IN THE SAME ORDER! The odds of this happening in multiple games are astronomical.

This thread is very important is it can help answer other accusations about this type of cheating that have been made in the past. i.e. Klobber

I hope that the moderators will be able to figure this one out.)


What, to me, verifies that someone is cheating; is that the "newbies" joined multiple games in the same precise order. This can't be ignored by the moderators and it also verifies Deltaray's theory, from the Klobber thread, that someone can set up multiple identities from international IP's.

As to who's cheating, that will be up to the Mods to figure out. Once this get solved, there will be a lot of other players cases that will be brought to attention again. I suspect that this will cause a large domino with other players that have been accused of the same thing in the past.

Cisco2001

[Lubawski]

Then how about this, Go to Game Finder, and select Finished with Buzzpower on Doodle Earth. You will see on the last page of his finished games 9 games with primarily new players who have played no other games ever (except for poor Masli who was in the 2nd slot and subsequently only won one of those games) Game 1040874 Game 1040877 Game 1040880 Game 1040881 Game 1040882 Game 1040892 Game 1040892 Game 1040894 Game 1040895 Game 1040897. On occasion, a good player joined in the eighth spot. On such occasions, Buzzpower lost. He won 6 of the 9.
Do the same search for Han Solo. You will see many Doodle Assassin games there too, but only the games with Buzzpower are there a bunch of newbies, with three exceptions (he only won one of those three).
In his recent mass of Doodle Assassin games, Buzzpower also had other games with all newbies in them, though he somehow didn't win any of them ( [Game]2261295[Game][/Game]2261281[/Game] Game 2261278 Game 2261249 ). None of those players (3 hits and win, Mistigri, Revelations, Tsu Nami, God Servant, Estelle, or Mandel Opus) have played any other games. Could the losses be part of the smoke screen for your defense? It seems odd that new players would join 4 quick games, three different ones had wins, but none of them have joined another game.
There is definately cheating going on. I choose to believe the person without a similar patern in the past. Sorry Buzzpower, you look guilty here.
Again, if you were going to cheat in this way, you would join the game early, and then pad it with your multiple players.

[buzzpower]

Lets see. I was already cleared on these charges from a multi hunter, in part because what Han claimed I did would involve creating something like 700+ new accounts.

So I bring up a similar case against Han Solo, one involving the creation of only 12 new accounts over 7 games, and one of his "empire" buddies attacks me and claims that I am guilty?

That seems about right. Regular bunch of lawyers here. Stunning logic.

[ParadiceCity9]

Ya I'm with buzzpower on this, that his clan buds are backing him are is a typical act. Obviously, since buzz had been cleared already, it must be Han as the cheater here, right? I mean he did win every game that I posted in my thread...

[SlayerQC]

it seems this hasnt been addressed even though there is TWO threads made by different player about this player.BUMP

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

im sure the mods are looking into this one. It appears to be the classic cheating case of a player setting up extra accounts and using them to suicide their target in assasin games. why he done it so many times with the same accounts against the same player and thought he would get away with it makes no sense, but either does having so many accounts and trying to get away with it too.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Accused:

• HanSolo
  
  The accused are suspected of:
  
  • Being Multis
    
  • Other: Operating a team of multiple players

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lol- made me laugh

[kerntheconkerer]

That looks very suspicious, I have not seen anything like that before, and clearly seems to be cheating. Can you guys take a look at my thread I just started?

[ParadiceCity9]

I'll say it again. Please take note that Han Solo won every game which i pointed out in my thread. Why hasn't that been noted...

[delboy01]

I can't wait to see the outcome of this one. Someone is clearly at it. A whole team of newbies and not one deadbeat among them!!!!!!! It also seems to prove that people can set up accounts with different countries of origin. The question is who is at it?

The newbies are all controlled by one person. And they all move to win for hans. But in some of the games buzz deploys but does not attack. The question is why?

Buzz also seemed to suss out that hans was stalking him, cos he says so in the thread. He blocked him from joining other games. So it is possible that buzz could have decided to win all these games for hans to implicate him!!!

The only games that hans may have 'won' were the ones he moved last in.

Alternatively, it could easily have been hans controlling the newbies.

There is however, just a choice of two. But which one is it?

Pick the bones out of that one.

[dustn64]

*busted*

[Lubawski]

Jonny Rocket wrote: "why he done it so many times with the same accounts against the same player and thought he would get away with it makes no sense"
That is my point exactly. Why would someone join games against someone they accused of cheating, then do exactly what they had accused him of? It defies logic. Han would have to be really dumb to do so. I know he is not.
By the way, as far as defending a clan member, I would certainly do so, but only if I knew them very well. I happened to come across this thread, and I found it odd that Han would be accused of cheating, so I looked into it. Don't hold it against Han that a member of his clan is defending him. I'm simply offering another possible scenerio for was happened. If Han did cheat, I wouldn't want him in the clan and I wouldn't defend him. But this blatent act against someone you previously accused of the same thing would be extremely ignorant and illogical. Han is too smart to do so.
I hope the Mods look into both players and anaylze their play before deciding. Han is always very talkative in games, and extremely honest. This patern just doesn't fit him.

[buzzpower]

Yeah, too bad you totally know Han so well. Because people are 100% honest all the time online.

And I was already cleared there smart guy. Why would I be investigated for reporting him for cheating?

[AlbroShlo]

so what happens now that he has been busted??

do his other accounts get deleted and his main "Han Solo" account stays active??

he still shows up in the search as a premium membership.

is there any sort of deterrent to keep him from just doing the same thing again??

[lancehoch]

so what happens now that he has been busted??

do his other accounts get deleted and his main "Han Solo" account stays active??

he still shows up in the search as a premium membership.

is there any sort of deterrent to keep him from just doing the same thing again??

He was not busted. That was a member giving his opinion. When a verdict is given, a moderator, whose name will appear in a different color, will make a post.

[AlbroShlo]

so what happens now that he has been busted??

do his other accounts get deleted and his main "Han Solo" account stays active??

he still shows up in the search as a premium membership.

is there any sort of deterrent to keep him from just doing the same thing again??

He was not busted. That was a member giving his opinion. When a verdict is given, a moderator, whose name will appear in a different color, will make a post.

i see , thx for clearing that up

[delboy01]

Don't all get too excited by this statement. It is just a statement of the facts. if you read though the thread it is possible that buzz won the games to implicate hans. It is also possible that hans did this to prove that buzz had done it previously due, as was stated earlier, to the fact that hans accused buzz of doing this. It may also be possible that due to the hissy fit going on between them that they are both doing it, which is why hans knew buzz was doing it and accused him, primarily because he could do it too!!

As I said previuosly this one is going to be fun to pick the bones out of!!!