gloman55/jsmith72 [blocked]

[TheBro]

I've looked at a few, I don't see it. In a 6 player assassin game there were 3 or 4 targets who were attacked by 2 different people, but you claim they are cheating because they attacked the same target. I really don't care to waste my time searching more, because it seems clear that they aren't cheating, there is no evidence of cheating, and they've already been cleared. The logs do not show who attacked who, therefore you cannot make a valid argument. If someone in the game could make these claims valid, then you're in business.

[BaldAdonis]

So, you picked a couple from the short list where you can't tell what happens because they don't get a chance to do anything. Try the other list, the longer one, where they blatently cheat every time. Or just do a search and choose at random. Odds are very high you'll hit one right away.

[nagerous]

I heard about defending clan members Bro but this is ridiculous....

There is ample evidence from all the game chats and game logs that this guy has been cheating...

[TheBro]

I'm just saying you can't tell from the logs. I don't have to defend them because they're cleared, I'm reading what you guys are posting and just saying I don't see it. That is not proof.

[Dancing Mustard]

Has anybody got pictures of the multi that the Pentagon says flew into the side of CC yet?

Show me the pics and I'll stop saying it's a conspiracy.

[Teutonics]

Well, so far we have 3 votes for a CC conspiracy. I think this brush off has more to do with office politics and the belief of some mods that we shouldn't report suspected cheaters if we are not somehow a direct victim of their cheats. A while back Optimus Prime told OOGA BOOGA (the original OP of this cheat report):

I just think you've gone way over the line with accusations that so far as I can tell have absolutely nothing to do with you. Why did you feel it important to "investigate" the two of them again? I don't think you ever made that clear actually.

Optimus Prime, your position is irresponsible and downright bizarre. If there's no need to investigate the cheaters that aren't involved in our personal games, then there's no reason to have Hunters. There's no reason to run IP checks, which, by the way, have uncovered 1500 multis since the beginning of the year. According to you, if we are not directly involved, we have no justification to investigate.

That opinion is absurd. We should be going to all reasonable lengths to maintain the integrity of the Conquer Club. OOGA BOOGA should have been applauded for the time and effort he invested in trying to maintain a fair playing environment for ALL the players of this site. Instead, King Achilles left this thread hanging for 3 weeks & over 80 posts, while OOGA BOOGA was ridiculed by the cheaters and their cohorts. But within hours of damning evidence being presented, King Achilles tried to brush the issue away.

I think the clue to what happened is back in OOGA BOOGA's first post, in which he called himself a self-appointed hunter and told King Achilles what he thought the punishment should be. Based on my experiences with office politics, the nature of OOGA BOOGA's first post could have very well angered the King and he could have viewed it as an unwanted intrusion into his sphere of control. The King could have viewed OOGA BOOGA as an unwanted upstart, who needed to be put into his place. At this point in time, the only conspiracy going on is the mods protecting their own (as Cops do) & not wanting to try to override the King, unless absolutely necessary. I imagine they would prefer that this thread just dies away. I am actually a little surprised that it hasn't been locked yet.

This gross betrayal of justice and fair play in favor of office politics has been and continues to be a disturbing disgrace to the CC community.

[Optimus Prime]

If you are so concerned about a conspiracy amongst the mods, contact Twill.

I'm sorry to say you will be sorely disappointed.

[OOGA BOOGA]

Of course he will. Thats the point. You guys let people cheat and there is nothing that we can do about it. Now who do we report it to another mod? Yeah right. I see this going nowhere. The mods can do whatever they want and we (the common folk) have to deal with it. I so crazy that I don't want to believe it but it seems that there is nothing we can do. The mods are right we are wrong. We might as well just get rid of the cheating and abuse reports because if somebody reports a friend of the mods nothing will get done and it will be swept under the rug.

[Teutonics]

I am sure that some of the mods already know about the case against gloman/jsmith, and in time, the rest will eventually learn about this thread as well. There were plenty of victims in this crime spree and I intend to fight this case in the court of public opinion. The evidence in these last few pages is clear and profound. Eventually enough people will be questioning the reasons for why these two were cleared, that someone with some concern for fairness and the reputation of the club will have to step in and set matters right.

So far 3 people think its a mod conspiracy, whereas I think its politics. And several others have simply expressed their shock, dismay, and downright outrage that these two were cleared.

In light of all the new evidence that came out after the ruling was made, I believe that this case should be reviewed again.

[wicked]

Looking at the first 34 of gloman's 6+ doodle earth assassin games, these are the games where he attacks someone else's target. 22 of 23 were with jsmith. Keep in mind that in the other 11, none of which were with jsmith, he did not attack someone else's target.

In light of that information, and all the other info presented here, and looking through the games myself, I'm going to block these guys from playing together. That is just TOO coincidental and damning and deservant of at least a block.

And cut OP some slack. He's just posting here as a community member, and is entitled to his own opinions, as you all are.

[kha1i1]

Looking at the first 34 of gloman's 6+ doodle earth assassin games, these are the games where he attacks someone else's target. 22 of 23 were with jsmith. Keep in mind that in the other 11, none of which were with jsmith, he did not attack someone else's target.

In light of that information, and all the other info presented here, and looking through the games myself, I'm going to block these guys from playing together. That is just TOO coincidental and damning and deservant of at least a block.

And cut OP some slack. He's just posting here as a community member, and is entitled to his own opinions, as you all are.

thank you for partially restoring my faith in this process.

that being said:
why did it take so long for this to be concluded??
why were they cleared the first time??

also, some of the posters in this thread, namely Optimus Prime and TheBro should be absolutely ashamed of the way they carried themselves regarding this topic. Especially Optimus, who as a member of the staff should be setting an example in civility and sportsmanship not knocking other players who file reports, questioning their reasons for reporting obvious cheaters and being downright insulting.

[wicked]

We're only human and everyone makes mistakes.

And don't hold OP to some higher posting standard just because he volunteers to help out with tourneys. He's not a hunter, and was only posting here as a member of this site, as you all were. I didn't read through the bickering, just the facts presented.

[kha1i1]

We're only human and everyone makes mistakes.

And don't hold OP to some higher posting standard just because he volunteers to help out with tourneys. He's not a hunter, and was only posting here as a member of this site, as you all were. I didn't read through the bickering, just the facts presented.

fair enuf. i also misunderstood your previous comment about optimus, i thought you meant cut the Original Poster some slack.

thank you for correcting and addressing this situation wicked.

[wicked]

oops!! Sorry for the confusion.

[Timminz]

that Original Poster/Optimus Prime thing confuses me often too.

[Optimus Prime]

that Original Poster/Optimus Prime thing confuses me often too.

You aren't the only one.

[Teutonics]

Wicked, thanks for stepping in and restoring some of my faith in the system as well. OOGA BOOGA, the original poster, is probably still smarting though. Some months earlier he had come forward and admitted that he and another player had cheated in the assassin games as well. He had a guilty conscious and wanted to set matters right. His crimes were much less extensive than what these two did, yet in addition to the block, his points were reset. He now has to live with the knowledge that he got punished much more severely after he fessed up to his crimes, than these two were. He also must have experienced a great deal of frustration with the system because for the first 3 weeks and 80 posts, the bickering was just between him and the cheaters, their cohorts, and OP. I'm sorry that I was hard on OP, but I had remembered all the things he had said to OOGA BOOGA, including questioning his sanity, when it was just OOGA BOOGA against everyone else.

What is the rationale for reseting OOGA BOOGA's points, while letting these two go without a score reset? OOGA BOOGA's admission thread, "Me and a guy had a secret alliance [blocked & score reset]" can be read here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40756

[Dancing Mustard]

Is my earnest belief.

[wicked]

Wicked, thanks for stepping in and restoring some of my faith in the system as well. OOGA BOOGA, the original poster, is probably still smarting though. Some months earlier he had come forward and admitted that he and another player had cheated in the assassin games as well. He had a guilty conscious and wanted to set matters right. His crimes were much less extensive than what these two did, yet in addition to the block, his points were reset. He now has to live with the knowledge that he got punished much more severely after he fessed up to his crimes, than these two were. He also must have experienced a great deal of frustration with the system because for the first 3 weeks and 80 posts, the bickering was just between him and the cheaters, their cohorts, and OP. I'm sorry that I was hard on OP, but I had remembered all the things he had said to OOGA BOOGA, including questioning his sanity, when it was just OOGA BOOGA against everyone else.

What is the rationale for reseting OOGA BOOGA's points, while letting these two go without a score reset? OOGA BOOGA's admission thread, "Me and a guy had a secret alliance [blocked & score reset]" can be read here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40756

Point resets require much discussion among the hunters, as they're not handed out lightly. If you note I said they were getting "at least" a block. We'll look at and discuss score reset as well, but no promises, and it will take awhile.

[TheBro]

Fair enough. We have to stand by the decisions whether we agree with them or not.

[delboy01]

I find that a very condecending attitude. There seems to have been a lot of you, who are in the same clan, defending the undefendable, and with some vitriol. You have castigated the accuser who it seems has been proved right.

Rather than say 'we have to accept it even if we disagree' you should ALL be apologising.

This was as clear a case as I have seen.

I have to say that a points reset as punishment shoud also be handed down.

Far too many people on this site. 'Get away' with cheating, blocking two players from playing games with each other is hardly a punishment for what they did. It's like catching two car thiefs and punishing them by stopping them from seeing each other!!!!

Come on CC punish the guilty properly.

[TheBro]

Not much to say about you.... *Condescending* - You can't spell it and you don't know what it means. There is 1 of us, me, defending Jsmith throughout the pages. Any other LoW members made 1 post, except for Jsmith because I think he's allowed to post in a thread against him.

I should apologize for not thinking my friend was cheating, because the admins think he was? I looked at the games, I don't think I ever saw a game where they attacked each other's target to help each other. Every time a target not their's was attacked, it was to get to their own. So I will not apologize, but I stand by any opinion the multi hunters have. There is nothing else I can do.

Wicked you can do what you want, but considering that some of the hunters didn't even think they were cheating in the first place, I see a block as more than enough.

[firth4eva]

Not much to say about you.... *Condescending* - You can't spell it and you don't know what it means. There is 1 of us, me, defending Jsmith throughout the pages. Any other LoW members made 1 post, except for Jsmith because I think he's allowed to post in a thread against him.

I should apologize for not thinking my friend was cheating, because the admins think he was? I looked at the games, I don't think I ever saw a game where they attacked each other's target to help each other. Every time a target not their's was attacked, it was to get to their own. So I will not apologize, but I stand by any opinion the multi hunters have. There is nothing else I can do.

Wicked you can do what you want, but considering that some of the hunters didn't even think they were cheating in the first place, I see a block as more than enough.

That is impossible to tell.

[wrestler1ump]

I sure takes a lot of pages to bust some of these multis. Do you guys really think it is worth the time and effort to go that far just to have a chance at getting rid of one multi/secret alliance?

[Teutonics]

It's been a long and aggravating process, but if one doesn't fight the corruption caused by those who lack integrity, then the sore festers and gets worse. Perhaps, as delboy01 suggested, stiffer punishments would help to curb these problems.