Teutonics wrote:OK, Soloman, I did as you asked and looked into the games a little further. The evidence became even more damning. Only once in those 9 games was anyone able to take out one of your two positions. If everything was normal, this should have at least happened six times, especially since you two were often playing against higher ranked players. The chat was also quite damning as well.
The player 'saywhat' called you guys on your cheating in his game with you. So did barbie in her game with you two. In another game, BGunner had to remind Riskmaster that it was a terminator game because Riskmaster wasn't taking advantage of the opportunity to take you out.
Game 1841082007-01-20 10:50:18 - barbie: you arent fortifying your borders and arent attacking each others borders
2007-01-20 10:51:21 - barbie: green your fotified your border against me but not red,,, that is very telling
2007-01-20 10:57:11 - barbie: oh that must be it,,,, the fact that you two play almost all your games together and are the last two in each one would have nothing to do with it
Game 1959692007-01-27 11:14:23 - saywhat: You two should be playing a doubles game or do you always team up in singles?
2007-01-27 11:35:40 - saywhat: It is evident when you leave a border position with 1 army on it next to his but next to mine you stack them up AND your one little army is never attacked by your teammate...
But, Soloman, my advice to you is to keep denying that you are cheating because if you fess up like OOGA BOOGA did, you'll get hammered hard, but if you keep denying the obvious, then you'll only get slapped on the wrist.
you have 2 people whose poor strtegy cost them the game and instead of looking at it logically based on attacks jumped to accusations. wow 9 out 107 games that is astronomical numbers. how about if I drop a list of games where I leave 1 on the border against somebody also see how many of them are not my brother? have you never attacked another player that was in a postion that was easier to take?
DO the games where risk or myself took the other out early due to an opening we saw not count? If any thing we are guilty of knowing the others strategy and knowing that playing accordingly in our own best interests same as I do against anyone I have played multiple games against.
In fact lets look at the Log on the last game for Example Game # 195969
2007-01-27 01:37:41 - Game has been initialized
2007-01-27 01:38:58 - saywhat receives 5 armies for 16 territories
2007-01-27 01:39:20 - risk master2000 receives 5 armies for 16 territories
2007-01-27 01:39:42 - saywhat deployed 5 armies on Firsthold
2007-01-27 01:39:42 - risk master2000 deployed 5 armies on Valenwood
2007-01-27 01:39:54 - saywhat attacked Cloudrest from Firsthold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 01:40:13 - risk master2000 attacked Silvenar from Arenthia and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 01:40:40 - risk master2000 attacked Firsthold from Woodhearth and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 01:41:01 - risk master2000 fortified Valenwood with 1 armies from Dune
2007-01-27 01:41:15 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 01:43:40 - saywhat fortified Sunhold with 2 armies from Alinor
2007-01-27 01:44:18 - saywhat fortified Stros M'kai with 2 armies from Lillandrill
2007-01-27 01:45:00 - saywhat fortified Sunhold with 3 armies from Cloudrest
2007-01-27 01:45:17 - saywhat gets a card
2007-01-27 02:12:42 - Soloman receives 5 armies for 16 territories
2007-01-27 02:12:52 - Soloman deployed 5 armies on Soulrest
2007-01-27 02:13:05 - Soloman attacked Lilmoth from Soulrest and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 02:13:42 - Soloman fortified Soulrest with 2 armies from Torval
2007-01-27 02:14:04 - Soloman fortified Skingrad with 2 armies from Cyrodiil
2007-01-27 02:14:22 - Soloman fortified Velothi Mts. with 2 armies from Riften
2007-01-27 02:15:41 - Soloman fortified Murkwood with 3 armies from Lilmoth
2007-01-27 02:15:59 - Soloman fortified Soulrest with 2 armies from Lilmoth
2007-01-27 02:16:36 - Soloman fortified Skaven with 2 armies from Rihad
2007-01-27 02:17:18 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 02:17:18 - Incrementing game to round 2
2007-01-27 10:44:21 - saywhat receives 4 armies for 14 territories
2007-01-27 10:44:49 - saywhat deployed 4 armies on Sunhold
2007-01-27 10:45:00 - saywhat attacked Firsthold from Sunhold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 10:45:29 - saywhat attacked Woodhearth from Firsthold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 10:47:24 - saywhat fortified Hrothgar with 2 armies from Sancre Tor
2007-01-27 10:47:44 - saywhat fortified Hrothgar with 2 armies from Falcreath
2007-01-27 10:48:26 - saywhat fortified Stros M'kai with 2 armies from Woodhearth
2007-01-27 10:48:37 - saywhat gets a card
2007-01-27 11:11:30 - Soloman receives 5 armies for 17 territories
2007-01-27 11:11:47 - Soloman deployed 4 armies on Skaven
2007-01-27 11:11:53 - Soloman deployed 1 armies on Murkwood
2007-01-27 11:12:56 - Soloman attacked Fang Lair from Skaven and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 11:13:35 - Soloman attacked Dragonstar from Skaven and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 11:14:06 - Soloman attacked Riverhold from Skingrad and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 11:14:33 - Soloman attacked Sancre Tor from Skingrad and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 11:14:48 - Soloman attacked Thorn from Murkwood and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 11:15:34 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 12:50:25 - risk master2000 receives 4 armies for 12 territories
2007-01-27 12:50:53 - risk master2000 deployed 4 armies on Silvenar
2007-01-27 12:51:03 - risk master2000 attacked Woodhearth from Silvenar and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 12:51:13 - risk master2000 attacked Firsthold from Woodhearth and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 12:52:31 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 12:52:31 - Incrementing game to round 3
2007-01-27 12:53:31 - saywhat receives 4 armies for 12 territories
2007-01-27 12:53:47 - saywhat deployed 4 armies on Sunhold
2007-01-27 12:54:01 - saywhat attacked Firsthold from Sunhold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 12:54:17 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Black Marsh
2007-01-27 12:54:17 - Soloman receives 7 armies for 22 territories
2007-01-27 12:54:29 - Soloman deployed 10 armies on Sentinel
2007-01-27 12:54:42 - Soloman attacked Stros M'kai from Sentinel and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 12:54:50 - Soloman attacked Cloudrest from Stros M'kai and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 12:54:59 - Soloman attacked Lillandrill from Cloudrest and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 12:55:05 - Soloman attacked Alinor from Lillandrill and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 12:55:20 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 12:55:25 - saywhat fortified Falcreath with 6 armies from Hrothgar
2007-01-27 12:55:31 - saywhat gets a card
2007-01-27 12:56:13 - risk master2000 receives 4 armies for 13 territories
2007-01-27 12:56:29 - risk master2000 deployed 4 armies on Valenwood
2007-01-27 12:56:48 - risk master2000 attacked Torval from Valenwood and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 12:57:12 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 12:57:12 - Incrementing game to round 4
2007-01-27 12:57:47 - saywhat receives 3 armies for 9 territories
2007-01-27 12:57:54 - saywhat cashed in a set of Dragon Bridge, Narsis, and Necrom worth 4 armies
2007-01-27 12:57:54 - saywhat gets bonus of 2 armies added to Necrom
2007-01-27 12:57:57 - risk master2000 receives 4 armies for 14 territories
2007-01-27 12:58:12 - risk master2000 deployed 4 armies on Torval
2007-01-27 12:58:17 - risk master2000 attacked Alabaster from Torval and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 12:58:22 - saywhat deployed 7 armies on Falcreath
2007-01-27 12:58:31 - saywhat attacked Fang Lair from Falcreath and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 12:58:44 - saywhat attacked Rihad from Fang Lair and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 12:58:55 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 12:59:40 - saywhat attacked Sentinel from Rihad and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 12:59:53 - saywhat attacked Stros M'kai from Sentinel and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:00:07 - saywhat attacked Cloudrest from Stros M'kai and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:00:27 - saywhat attacked Lillandrill from Cloudrest and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:00:34 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Black Marsh
2007-01-27 13:00:34 - Soloman receives 6 armies for 19 territories
2007-01-27 13:00:37 - saywhat attacked Alinor from Lillandrill and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:00:48 - Soloman cashed in a set of Alinor, Hrothgar, and Skaven worth 6 armies
2007-01-27 13:00:48 - Soloman gets bonus of 2 armies added to Skaven
2007-01-27 13:01:00 - Soloman deployed 15 armies on Skaven
2007-01-27 13:01:08 - Soloman attacked Fang Lair from Skaven and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:01:16 - Soloman attacked Rihad from Fang Lair and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:01:21 - saywhat fortified Sentinel with 3 armies from Lillandrill
2007-01-27 13:01:25 - Soloman attacked Sentinel from Rihad and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:01:40 - Soloman attacked Stros M'kai from Sentinel and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:01:46 - Soloman attacked Cloudrest from Stros M'kai and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:01:46 - saywhat fortified Mournhold with 2 armies from Vvardenfell
2007-01-27 13:01:58 - saywhat fortified Mournhold with 2 armies from Necrom
2007-01-27 13:02:05 - saywhat gets a card
2007-01-27 13:02:54 - Soloman attacked Sunhold from Cloudrest and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:03:24 - Soloman fortified Fang Lair with 2 armies from The Reach
2007-01-27 13:03:27 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 13:03:27 - Incrementing game to round 5
2007-01-27 13:03:35 - risk master2000 receives 4 armies for holding Elsweyr
2007-01-27 13:03:35 - risk master2000 receives 5 armies for 15 territories
2007-01-27 13:03:38 - saywhat receives 3 armies for 9 territories
2007-01-27 13:03:44 - risk master2000 deployed 3 armies on Woodhearth
2007-01-27 13:03:50 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Black Marsh
2007-01-27 13:03:50 - Soloman receives 8 armies for 24 territories
2007-01-27 13:03:53 - saywhat deployed 3 armies on Mournhold
2007-01-27 13:04:01 - saywhat attacked Narsis from Mournhold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:04:08 - Soloman deployed 7 armies on High Rock
2007-01-27 13:04:16 - saywhat attacked Thorn from Narsis and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:04:27 - saywhat gets a card
2007-01-27 13:04:34 - Soloman deployed 4 armies on Archon
2007-01-27 13:04:42 - Soloman attacked Thorn from Archon and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:04:55 - Soloman attacked Narsis from Thorn and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:07:18 - Soloman attacked Vvardenfell from Velothi Mts. and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:07:47 - Soloman attacked Dunlain Falls from High Rock and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:08:28 - Soloman attacked Hrothgar from Winterhold and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:08:47 - Soloman attacked Falcreath from Fang Lair and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:09:03 - Soloman attacked Dragon Bridge from Dunlain Falls and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:09:10 - Soloman attacked Dawnstar from Dragon Bridge and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:10:08 - Soloman fortified Stros M'kai with 3 armies from Dawnstar
2007-01-27 13:20:12 - Soloman fortified Winterhold with 3 armies from Dawnstar
2007-01-27 13:21:19 - risk master2000 deployed 3 armies on Torval
2007-01-27 13:21:37 - risk master2000 deployed 3 armies on Dune
2007-01-27 13:21:47 - risk master2000 attacked Riverhold from Dune and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:22:21 - risk master2000 fortified Dune with 1 armies from Alabaster
2007-01-27 13:22:28 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 13:25:41 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 13:25:41 - Incrementing game to round 6
2007-01-27 13:26:36 - risk master2000 receives 4 armies for holding Elsweyr
2007-01-27 13:26:36 - risk master2000 receives 4 armies for 12 territories
2007-01-27 13:26:39 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Black Marsh
2007-01-27 13:26:39 - Soloman receives 2 armies for holding Black Marsh Embassy
2007-01-27 13:26:39 - Soloman receives 5 armies for holding Hammerfell
2007-01-27 13:26:39 - Soloman receives 2 armies for holding Hammerfell Embassy
2007-01-27 13:26:39 - Soloman receives 5 armies for holding Skyrim
2007-01-27 13:26:39 - Soloman receives 10 armies for 30 territories
2007-01-27 13:26:40 - risk master2000 cashed in a set of Cloudrest, Vvardenfell, and Stormhold worth 8 armies
2007-01-27 13:26:47 - risk master2000 deployed 7 armies on Colovia
2007-01-27 13:26:54 - risk master2000 deployed 9 armies on Torval
2007-01-27 13:27:00 - Soloman deployed 17 armies on Sunhold
2007-01-27 13:27:03 - risk master2000 attacked Skingrad from Colovia and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:27:22 - Soloman deployed 6 armies on Thorn
2007-01-27 13:27:28 - risk master2000 attacked Cyrodiil from Skingrad and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:27:34 - Soloman deployed 4 armies on Narsis
2007-01-27 13:27:42 - risk master2000 attacked Sancre Tor from Skingrad and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:27:50 - risk master2000 attacked Falcreath from Sancre Tor and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:27:52 - Soloman attacked Mournhold from Narsis and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:27:57 - risk master2000 attacked Fang Lair from Falcreath and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:28:09 - Soloman attacked Necrom from Mournhold and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:28:21 - Soloman attacked Stormhold from Thorn and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:28:38 - Soloman attacked Firsthold from Sunhold and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:28:57 - Soloman attacked Alinor from Sunhold and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:29:02 - risk master2000 attacked Soulrest from Torval and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:29:28 - risk master2000 fortified Woodhearth with 1 armies from Dune
2007-01-27 13:29:44 - risk master2000 fortified Woodhearth with 1 armies from Riverhold
2007-01-27 13:29:49 - Soloman attacked Lillandrill from Alinor and conquered it from saywhat
2007-01-27 13:29:49 - Soloman eliminated saywhat from the game
2007-01-27 13:29:49 - saywhat loses 21 points
2007-01-27 13:29:49 - Soloman gains 21 points
2007-01-27 13:30:38 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 13:30:55 - Soloman fortified Rihad with 6 armies from Lillandrill
2007-01-27 13:31:06 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 13:31:06 - Incrementing game to round 7
2007-01-27 13:31:40 - risk master2000 receives 4 armies for holding Elsweyr
2007-01-27 13:31:40 - risk master2000 receives 6 armies for 18 territories
2007-01-27 13:31:44 - risk master2000 cashed in a set of Archon, Lilmoth, and Riverhold worth 10 armies
2007-01-27 13:31:44 - risk master2000 gets bonus of 2 armies added to Riverhold
2007-01-27 13:31:45 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Summerset Isle
2007-01-27 13:31:45 - Soloman receives 10 armies for 30 territories
2007-01-27 13:31:52 - Soloman cashed in a set of Hrothgar, Winterhold, and Narsis worth 12 armies
2007-01-27 13:31:52 - Soloman gets bonus of 2 armies added to Hrothgar
2007-01-27 13:31:52 - Soloman gets bonus of 2 armies added to Winterhold
2007-01-27 13:31:52 - Soloman gets bonus of 2 armies added to Narsis
2007-01-27 13:31:52 - risk master2000 deployed 6 armies on Woodhearth
2007-01-27 13:32:03 - risk master2000 deployed 7 armies on Fang Lair
2007-01-27 13:32:34 - risk master2000 deployed 7 armies on Soulrest
2007-01-27 13:32:43 - risk master2000 attacked Firsthold from Woodhearth and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:33:03 - Soloman deployed 10 armies on Hrothgar
2007-01-27 13:33:09 - risk master2000 attacked Lilmoth from Soulrest and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:33:24 - Soloman deployed 5 armies on Winterhold
2007-01-27 13:33:37 - risk master2000 attacked Murkwood from Soulrest and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:33:54 - risk master2000 attacked Thorn from Murkwood and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:34:01 - risk master2000 attacked Archon from Thorn and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:34:08 - Soloman deployed 10 armies on Narsis
2007-01-27 13:34:16 - Soloman attacked Thorn from Narsis and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:34:28 - risk master2000 fortified Falcreath with 5 armies from Torval
2007-01-27 13:34:31 - Soloman attacked Archon from Thorn and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:35:31 - risk master2000 fortified Soulrest with 2 armies from Riverhold
2007-01-27 13:35:45 - risk master2000 fortified Soulrest with 2 armies from Fang Lair
2007-01-27 13:36:01 - risk master2000 fortified Murkwood with 4 armies from Soulrest
2007-01-27 13:37:00 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 13:39:06 - Soloman attacked Murkwood from Thorn and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:50:39 - Soloman attacked Solstheim from Winterhold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:54:14 - Soloman attacked Soulrest from Murkwood and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:54:23 - Soloman attacked Lilmoth from Soulrest and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:54:34 - Soloman attacked Torval from Soulrest and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:54:44 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 13:54:44 - Incrementing game to round 8
2007-01-27 13:56:01 - risk master2000 receives 5 armies for 16 territories
2007-01-27 13:56:09 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Black Marsh
2007-01-27 13:56:09 - Soloman receives 2 armies for holding Black Marsh Embassy
2007-01-27 13:56:09 - Soloman receives 4 armies for holding Morrowind
2007-01-27 13:56:09 - Soloman receives 2 armies for holding Morrowind Embassy
2007-01-27 13:56:09 - Soloman receives 10 armies for 32 territories
2007-01-27 13:56:19 - risk master2000 deployed 2 armies on Nibenay
2007-01-27 13:56:24 - risk master2000 deployed 3 armies on Valenwood
2007-01-27 13:56:30 - Soloman deployed 15 armies on Hrothgar
2007-01-27 13:56:38 - risk master2000 attacked Riften from Nibenay and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:56:44 - Soloman deployed 6 armies on Sunhold
2007-01-27 13:56:53 - Soloman attacked Firsthold from Sunhold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:56:53 - risk master2000 attacked Velothi Mts. from Riften and conquered it from Soloman
2007-01-27 13:57:06 - Soloman attacked Falcreath from Hrothgar and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:57:26 - Soloman attacked Fang Lair from Rihad and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 13:57:42 - Soloman gets a card
2007-01-27 13:58:36 - risk master2000 gets a card
2007-01-27 13:58:36 - Incrementing game to round 9
2007-01-27 14:07:18 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Black Marsh
2007-01-27 14:07:18 - Soloman receives 2 armies for holding Black Marsh Embassy
2007-01-27 14:07:18 - Soloman receives 5 armies for holding Hammerfell
2007-01-27 14:07:18 - Soloman receives 2 armies for holding Hammerfell Embassy
2007-01-27 14:07:18 - Soloman receives 5 armies for holding Skyrim
2007-01-27 14:07:18 - Soloman receives 3 armies for holding Summerset Isle
2007-01-27 14:07:18 - Soloman receives 11 armies for 33 territories
2007-01-27 14:07:29 - Soloman cashed in a set of Dawnstar, Sentinel, and Fang Lair worth 15 armies
2007-01-27 14:07:29 - Soloman gets bonus of 2 armies added to Dawnstar
2007-01-27 14:07:29 - Soloman gets bonus of 2 armies added to Sentinel
2007-01-27 14:07:29 - Soloman gets bonus of 2 armies added to Fang Lair
2007-01-27 14:07:50 - Soloman deployed 9 armies on Stormhold
2007-01-27 14:08:01 - Soloman deployed 37 armies on Vvardenfell
2007-01-27 14:08:07 - Soloman attacked Velothi Mts. from Vvardenfell and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:08:18 - Soloman attacked Riften from Velothi Mts. and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:11:18 - Soloman attacked Nibenay from Riften and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:11:25 - Soloman attacked Cyrodiil from Nibenay and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:11:32 - Soloman attacked Skingrad from Cyrodiil and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:11:43 - Soloman attacked Sancre Tor from Skingrad and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:11:50 - Soloman attacked Colovia from Skingrad and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:12:06 - Soloman attacked Riverhold from Skingrad and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:13:09 - Soloman attacked Dune from Riverhold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:13:17 - Soloman attacked Alabaster from Dune and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:14:30 - Soloman attacked Arenthia from Dune and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:14:36 - Soloman attacked Silvenar from Arenthia and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:14:42 - Soloman attacked Valenwood from Silvenar and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:14:48 - Soloman attacked Woodhearth from Valenwood and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:14:56 - Soloman attacked Gidean from Stormhold and conquered it from risk master2000
2007-01-27 14:14:56 - Soloman eliminated risk master2000 from the game
2007-01-27 14:14:56 - risk master2000 loses 17 points
2007-01-27 14:14:56 - Soloman gains 17 points
2007-01-27 14:14:56 - Soloman won the game
Look at this log and tell me based on it where the uneven amount of attacks were. He(saywhat) took an area I took it back it went back and forth= the same way till I killed him. At the same time hitting risk when ever I saw him get to powerful since he tried to play as an opportunist and attack us after just we grabbed an area look at the map and log and you see all attacks followed a logical flow
a 3 player game where both brothers joined first with every intention to team up on the 3rd player. 2 brothers creating and joining in a 3 player game has nothing but cheating all over it.
