KLOBBER - cheater?

[Genghis Khan CA]

I liked my suggestion. What was the gap in time between each new recruit that joined his games?

The way they cleared him was basically a "It's too hard to prove anything in this case, and since they are all from different places, he's cleared."

Are you a multi-hunter? No I didn't think so... it's pretty arrogant for you to waltz in here and act as if you know how to do their job better than they do.

Never did sully say what the reasons for clearing him were. An important part of the multi-hunters job is not to reveal their methods because that gives cheats ideas of how to get around their methods. If you think they just said it was too hard to prove anything you are mistaken... the only people who keep saying this are the same timewasters who make identical cheating accusations 2 days after a person has been cleared.

Sure it's fair enough to report a person and have it checked out... but when that person has been cleared, it's really harrassment to accuse them of exactly the same thing based on the same games 2 days later.

It's also insulting to sully when he has said that the person is cleared in definite terms (not saying that it was simply not possible to prove) that you basically say you don't think he's done a good job. You're also wasting your breath when the only people who's opinion counts - the multi-hunters, have cleared him.

[MOBAJOBG]

Trust me on this ...new recruits stick together. Hence, I'm not surprised to see plenty of new recruits join KLOBBER's 8-Player Standard, Sequential, Escalating Unlimited FoW games on Circus Maximus map.

Click on and read Game Chat http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1430882
2007-12-23 14:56:44 - MOBAJOBG: KLOBBER is the leader of new recruits. : )

When I'd dropped by to make the statement of truth, all of KLOBBER's opponents were new recruits but alas now, one of them ttoonnyy has been officially ranked.

[KLOBBER]

...Has he signed in as KLOBBER from IP's around the world?

to those not convinced it probably sounds like grasping at straws, but there are also alot who are suspicious. So if it is possible to check on that, it might be worth a look.

and yes I know, I know, I said I was staying out of it, but... I cant help it, he's really pissed me off, and I'm really hoping that we are right.

Spycunt, first of all, I told you in the last thread (you know, the one in which I was CLEARED) that I was indeed flying around the world in a private jet in order to maintain my rank as CAPTAIN by cheating here on CC. That's a given, and the multi-hunters can't prove or disprove that, since they don't have access to my private jet itineraries.

On a more serious note, there are only a handful of computer geeks with thick-rimmed glasses held together with masking tape who are "suspicious," like you for example. To everyone else, of course it sounds like grasping at straws, because your theories are INSANE.

Your final statement above is very telling of your reasoning for continuing to harass me without cause -- that you can't help it because I pissed you off. Your boyfriend, Eggass, admitted a similar reason the other day. Even shameless liars with no personal integrity, like the two of you, sometimes let the truth of the matter slip through unintentionally, and this is the case here.

In conclusion, I guess I should just point out that I am as happy to hear that I pissed you off as I was to hear that I have been CLEARED.

The fact that you are pissed off and I am not just means that I am more mature than you are -- but don't remain bitter -- I realize that the immature often feel upset when they are proven wrong, but it doesn't really mean that you're a bad person. It simply means that you're wrong.

I'm sure that if you retire to your powder room for a good cry, you'll feel much better. Girls like you always feel better after a good cry, so I hear.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go now: I'm expected to see to your mother's comforts, then I'm off to the Congo to play one of my many multi accounts, then Kiev in the former Soviet Union, then North Korea, then Tasmania, Guatemala, and Antarctica, then I have to fly back home to the US to play my KLOBBER account. Yup, gotta jet!

-K

[treefiddy]

Are you a multi-hunter? No I didn't think so... it's pretty arrogant for you to waltz in here and act as if you know how to do their job better than they do.

Never did sully say what the reasons for clearing him were. An important part of the multi-hunters job is not to reveal their methods because that gives cheats ideas of how to get around their methods. If you think they just said it was too hard to prove anything you are mistaken... the only people who keep saying this are the same timewasters who make identical cheating accusations 2 days after a person has been cleared.

Sure it's fair enough to report a person and have it checked out... but when that person has been cleared, it's really harrassment to accuse them of exactly the same thing based on the same games 2 days later.

It's also insulting to sully when he has said that the person is cleared in definite terms (not saying that it was simply not possible to prove) that you basically say you don't think he's done a good job. You're also wasting your breath when the only people who's opinion counts - the multi-hunters, have cleared him.

It was you who asked for suggestions on how they could do their job. Because I do not know their methods, I posted what I thought would be a very easy way to find out if Klobber is cheating or not. If that is what they did, they can simply pop in and clear him again. That action takes about 10 seconds away from their day.

I never claimed to know how to do the Multi's job better than they do. I simply have a small amount of knowledge on some internet tools that would allow anyone to cheat and get away with it. I don't suspect or care that Klobber might be cheating; I just read the boards and respond where I might know the answer to someone's question. Normally that causes me to follow the thread to it's completion.

This forum exists for people to point out potential cheaters, and that is what Oggiss has done. Perhaps he doesn't think that enough time was put into actually investigating the report. With so many reports coming in everyday; having to do the work that I suggested on every single one could amount to about 20 hours a week just busting or clearing people. While the staff does a good job, I doubt they spend that much time, nor do I want them to. The hunters are busy, and they sometimes miss something. That's why I'm still yet to be cleared after almost a year.

Weren't SkyT and Krusher both cleared at one point for doing the very thing they eventually got busted doing? While both were at a much grander scale bringing them both to the top position in CC, it's happened and in both cases, it took someone to post about the same behavior to get it looked at more in depth.

[oggiss]

...Has he signed in as KLOBBER from IP's around the world?

to those not convinced it probably sounds like grasping at straws, but there are also alot who are suspicious. So if it is possible to check on that, it might be worth a look.

and yes I know, I know, I said I was staying out of it, but... I cant help it, he's really pissed me off, and I'm really hoping that we are right.

Your final statement above is very telling of your reasoning for continuing to harass me without cause -- that you can't help it because I pissed you off. Your boyfriend, Eggass, admitted a similar reason the other day. Even shameless liars with no personal integrity, like the two of you, sometimes let the truth of the matter slip through unintentionally, and this is the case here.


The fact that you are pissed off and I am not just means that I am more mature than you are -- but don't remain bitter -- I realize that the immature often feel upset when they are proven wrong, but it doesn't really mean that you're a bad person. It simply means that you're wrong.

I'm sure that if you retire to your powder room for a good cry, you'll feel much better. Girls like you always feel better after a good cry, so I hear.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go now: I'm expected to see to your mother's comforts, then I'm off to the Congo to play one of my many multi accounts, then Kiev in the former Soviet Union, then North Korea, then Tasmania, Guatemala, and Antarctica, then I have to fly back home to the US to play my KLOBBER account. Yup, gotta jet!

-K

Harass? I am not the one calling anyone spycunt?

Is it more mature calling someone spycunt?

fyi, I am not that geek sitting all day long infront of the computer.

[Harijan]

fyi, I am not that geek sitting all day long infront of the computer.

Games played: 1,251
High Score: 2,6whothefuckcares
Age: not in college, maybe 16-17.
Favorite Sport: Golf
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Harijan's favorite quote:

Can you guys stop telling me that I am a whiner, I know I am one and I don't give a shit if I am. It has taken me far in my CC-life

You sir, are that geek.

[oggiss]

fyi, I am not that geek sitting all day long infront of the computer.

Games played: 1,251
High Score: 2,6whothefuckcares
Age: not in college, maybe 16-17.
Favorite Sport: Golf
Favorite Song: Lighthouse Family - High
Miscellaneous: Avatar of a completely unattainable chick
Harijan's favorite quote:

Can you guys stop telling me that I am a whiner, I know I am one and I don't give a shit if I am. It has taken me far in my CC-life

You sir, are that geek.

SU?

I am 20 years old, studying at college economics if you are wondering. First year. Anyhow, I am into girls don't know about you?

And btw, was a bit of sarcasm in that line

[Harijan]

SU?

I am 20 years old, studying at college economics if you are wondering. First year. Anyhow, I am into girls don't know about you?

And btw, was a bit of sarcasm in that line

Ahh Economics, like a little Swedish Harijan. Update your profile, thats what I used as a source for most of the flame.

And FYI, economics = geek. Been there, done that. In the hierarchy of geeky majors only Computer Science and engineering are higher.

[firth4eva]

I joined one of KLOBBERS games once. And so what f he only plays with 7 new recrits and refuses to play with anyone else. Loads ofother people do that but you don't hear anyone throwing multi accusations at them.

[Genghis Khan CA]

It was you who asked for suggestions on how they could do their job.

I never asked for that... show me a quote where I asked for suggestions. You've already falsely accused sully of concluding there wasn't enough evidence rather than clearing him.

This forum exists for people to point out potential cheaters, and that is what Oggiss has done.

That is true. I just find it excessive to accuse someone on the basis of the same games when he has been cleared 2 days ago. The first one is fair enough, the second almost seems like harassment.

Perhaps he doesn't think that enough time was put into actually investigating the report.

You don't think this is pretty rude? Basically saying he doesn't think the multi-hunters do a good job???

With so many reports coming in everyday; having to do the work that I suggested on every single one could amount to about 20 hours a week just busting or clearing people. While the staff does a good job, I doubt they spend that much time, nor do I want them to. The hunters are busy, and they sometimes miss something.

I posted what I thought would be a very easy way to find out if Klobber is cheating or not. If that is what they did, they can simply pop in and clear him again. That action takes about 10 seconds away from their day.

So your suggestion would take 20 hours a week or 10 seconds? (I know you're saying the 20 hours is cumulative over all cases). Are you really suggesting that they would skip a 10 second action because they don't have enough time? How long do you think their investigations are - 5 seconds? 2 seconds? 1 second???

That's why I'm still yet to be cleared after almost a year.

The real reason why you are posting here...

Weren't SkyT and Krusher both cleared at one point for doing the very thing they eventually got busted doing?

No...

1) SkyT was never cleared of anything, in fact he was warned about the babysitting problem.

2) Krusher was involved in secret alliances, which are notoriously difficult to prove. What he was cleared of previously were multi accounts, so not the same thing.

3) Both are completely different to investigations into multi accounts which are relatively easier to prove.

[SirSebstar]

quickly derailing even more from the subject gentleman!

[treefiddy]

It was you who asked for suggestions on how they could do their job.

I never asked for that... show me a quote where I asked for suggestions. You've already falsely accused sully of concluding there wasn't enough evidence rather than clearing him.

2nd to last post on the 5th page. Bolded so you can more easily remember what you wrote.

He has been CLEARED... if you can think of a technique of investigating, presumably those who have investigated hundreds of these cases know all these techniques plus more

I just find it excessive to accuse someone on the basis of the same games when he has been cleared 2 days ago. The first one is fair enough, the second almost seems like harassment.

I agree with that. Like I stated earlier, I don't agree with the original poster, nor do I even care if Klobber is cheating. I just saw a question that I could answer, and answered it. That caused me to check back into the thread and continue posting in it. My first post was a response about how people use different IP addresses, the second was in response to your question for a technique to find out if he's cheating, then you respond by saying I'm insulting Sully and the other Hunters because I gave a suggestion.

I'd love to see you go into the Bugs and Suggestions forum and tell everyone who makes a suggestion that they are insulting Lack. This is the exact same thing you are doing in this situation.

You don't think this is pretty rude? Basically saying he doesn't think the multi-hunters do a good job???

Yes, it can be looked at as being rude. I would not have made another post like the original poster did. That being said, I really don't care about the feelings of Sully or the other Hunters. Everyone makes mistakes at some point and the Hunters are no different. If their egos are so fragile that a suggestion as to how they could be more complete at their job would hurt them, then I don't think they are the right people for the job. If they already use that method, then it shouldn't be an insult because they've already used it to clear Klobber.

So your suggestion would take 20 hours a week or 10 seconds? (I know you're saying the 20 hours is cumulative over all cases). Are you really suggesting that they would skip a 10 second action because they don't have enough time? How long do you think their investigations are - 5 seconds? 2 seconds? 1 second???

Using my suggestion on every single case that comes through would take a great deal of time. My guess is about 20 hours a week. If they do use my suggestions already, then there's no reason to re-do the actions of my suggestions because it has already been done. This is a simple matter of "Work To-Do" and "Work Done". Restating the work has been done will take 10 seconds. Actually doing the work will take much more time. I thought it was pretty clear the first time I wrote it out, so I'm not sure where the confusion is for you.

It's possible that what I suggested be checked in this case, would take way too long to do with every single case that pops up. Because of that, it's possible it's not done on every single case. Perhaps I'm over-estimating the time requirement of my suggestion though, so perhaps it's already being done for everyone. If that's the case, it reverts back to the "Work Done" category where the repost doesn't take any time at all to repost the "Cleared" report.

And because you asked, I'd guess each investigation ranges between 2-10 minutes. Just look for the strings of last poster "Sully800" and you can get a good idea as to how long each case takes to investigate, decide upon, and clear or bust. In some cases, the larger breaks could be due to outside distractions that have nothing to do with the investigation (Phone, IM, or even their own CC games).

That's why I'm still yet to be cleared after almost a year.

The real reason why you are posting here...

Of course. Because I've made such a fuss about it over the last 9 months.

It was mostly an example of the hunters missing something. Again, a sign that they are human, and not perfect.

So why the angst against my posts in this topic? If you're upset with the original poster, then feel free to take it up with him. I'm only participated in this thread because a question was asked that I knew the answer to.

[lancehoch]

treefiddy, I understand why you thought he was asking a question, at first I did as well. However, I believe Genghis was stating: if you can think of a way of finding multis, then the mods/hunters are already doing it. Whether or not that is true is another matter.

[svtoflord]

well, you know the saying, "where there's smoke, there's fire." but i'm not here to acuse kobbler but it does strike me as somewhat suspicious that he's been acused so many times.

Yes, but he has been accused of the very same thing he was cleared of... your logic is somewhat none-existent here

i wasn't necessarily acusing him. but i was just pointing that out. and it does happen to be true in some cases but i don't think so here.

[GabonX]

Me and Klobber are actualy the same person, along with our army of new recruits lost in the void of Conquer Club...

[Genghis Khan CA]

It was you who asked for suggestions on how they could do their job.

I never asked for that... show me a quote where I asked for suggestions. You've already falsely accused sully of concluding there wasn't enough evidence rather than clearing him.

2nd to last post on the 5th page. Bolded so you can more easily remember what you wrote.

He has been CLEARED... if you can think of a technique of investigating, presumably those who have investigated hundreds of these cases know all these techniques plus more

This post confirms why you are an idiot... My post clearly says that if you can think of a technique then it is presumably already being done!!! It is hardly saying please post your amateur detective methods.

Your highlighting is like saying that:

His logic was not good

means his logic was good... any 5 year old with half a brain could tell that my post was saying that posting your suggested methods was not necessary.

Anyway I tire of arguing with someone incapable of comprehending simple sentences, good luck with your vigilante crusade, I had hoped to persuade you to stop wasting time, but clearly you are too determined...

[GabonX]

Whats the matter? I already told you I'm Klobber so I don't see why your still arguing. Spyhunter taught me how to mask my IP address so I figured "why have marginaly high ranked account when I can have two?"

I'm also Jmart

[treefiddy]

So basically the entire thing was a big misunderstanding, and I wasn't the only one who read your post in that way.

In the end, my suggestion doesn't harm anyone. It's not insulting if they already perform the action since we do not know what methods they use. It's also not insulting if it gives them another option to look into.

I wish to know how the methods I posted are "amateur". All you've been able to scream in this thread is that the hunters probably already do it.

[Dancing Mustard]

Me and Klobber are actualy the same person, along with our army of new recruits lost in the void of Conquer Club...

But you're such a nice guy...

Why, when you post as 'KLOBBER' do you make him such a cunt?

[oggiss]

Whats the matter? I already told you I'm Klobber so I don't see why your still arguing. Spyhunter taught me how to mask my IP address so I figured "why have marginaly high ranked account when I can have two?"

I'm also Jmart

Your irony somehow glance through posts from both KLOBBER and GabonX.

[wicked]

He's already been cleared.