Greater China [Quenched] (thanks Widowmakers)

[Wisse]

WM look my 2 posts above not much work i think, but we need some logo of sjanghai

[iancanton]

we could have 4 icons, (keep the bonuses the same) but i can't find an icon of shanghai

i think shanghai has no flag, or one that's not well-known. the communist emblem is probably best because shanghai is governed by the same laws as beijing.

if we have 4 cities (beijing in hebei, hong kong in guangdong, taipei in taiwan and shanghai), then the small bonus must be +1 for any 3 cities. wisse, can we move shanghai to it's proper location on the south side of the yangzi delta (zhejiang), so that it's possible for a southern player to gain the +1 bonus for 3 cities without crossing the river? all small bonuses are in the north just now, which is a bit unfair.

make the bridge connecting Henan to Hebei connect to Shanxi instead.

normally, i'd expect most players to ignore the +3 bonus for holding all cities because beijing is so far away. however, the henan-hebei bridge gives importance to beijing, so we ought to keep this bridge.

ian.

[Wisse]

we could have 4 icons, (keep the bonuses the same) but i can't find an icon of shanghai

i think shanghai has no flag, or one that's not well-known. the communist emblem is probably best because shanghai is governed by the same laws as beijing.

ok then use that one

if we have 4 cities (beijing in hebei, hong kong in guangdong, taipei in taiwan and shanghai), then the small bonus must be +1 for any 3 cities. wisse, can we move shanghai to it's proper location on the south side of the yangzi delta (zhejiang), so that it's possible for a southern player to gain the +1 bonus for 3 cities without crossing the river? all small bonuses are in the north just now, which is a bit unfair.

thats a nice idea, thats ok

make the bridge connecting Henan to Hebei connect to Shanxi instead.

normally, i'd expect most players to ignore the +3 bonus for holding all cities because beijing is so far away. however, the henan-hebei bridge gives importance to beijing, so we ought to keep this bridge.

ian.

i am not sure now about replacing the bridge or keep it as it is,

[iancanton]

i've had another look at the map. if we have a henan-shanxi bridge too, then hebei is still important because it's the only way out of the north (apart from the liaoning-shandong bridge), so i have no objection to a henan-shanxi bridge.

ian.

[WidowMakers]

OK here is what I am going to do

1) add a 4th city to the zhejiang territory

here is a flag I found for Shanghai

2) change the city bonus to +1 for 3 and +3 for all
3) move blue city icon to Taiwan territory
4) add shanghai icon to the legend

Question:
Am I adding a henan-shanxi bridge and KEEPING the current Henan to Hebei?

or

Am I adding a henan-shanxi bridge and REMOVING the current Henan to Hebei?

Let me know about the bridge and I will have an update by tomorrow morning.

WM

[Wisse]

well i am not sure about the bridges... but the flag seems fine

[iancanton]

no, don't use this flag. it represents only a foreign-administered part of pre-ww2 shanghai, in which the chinese government had no jurisdiction, not the whole of the city. it will therefore be a symbol of foreign imperialism and oppression to those natives who know what it is and who will welcome the sight of it as much as some black americans might welcome the confederate southern cross flag.

the only current shanghai city emblem i can find is the one below, but i think most chinese wouldn't recognise it at all.

http://www.shme.com/intro/emblem.htm

i therefore favour using the same communist emblem for both shanghai and beijing.

over to u, wisse.

ian.

[Wisse]

ok and i don't think that emblem does fit into my map the other "logo's" are much different

[iancanton]

Question:Am I adding a henan-shanxi bridge and KEEPING the current Henan to Hebei?

i have a slight preference for keeping the current henan to hebei bridge. if we need to remove a bridge to close the north, then i'd like it to be the shandong-liaoning bridge instead. however, i am reasonably happy with either option.

ian.

[WidowMakers]

OK here is what I am going to do

1) add a 4th city to the zhejiang territory and use teh communist symbol used in bejing
2) change the city bonus to +1 for 3 and +3 for all
3) move blue city icon to Taiwan territory
4) add another icon to the legend (for the 4 cities)
5) Am I adding a henan-shanxi bridge and KEEPING the current Henan-Hebei bridge?

Correct?

[Wisse]

eum i have a bit preference to remove this bridge and move it to the other spot, so eum i think you should do that, it adds a bit more strategy to the game and less easy to get the 3 bonus

[WidowMakers]

OK here is version 8

-added a 4th city to the zhejiang territory and use the communist symbol used in bejing
-changed the city bonus to +1 for 3 and +3 for all
-moved blue city icon to Taiwan territory
-added another icon to the legend (for the 4 cities)
-added a henan-shanxi bridge
-removed the current Henan-Hebei bridge?

Once these are agreed upon I will update the XML.

Just to let everyone know, I will be done with this map after the XML edit, regardless of Quench or not. If there are any other changes I will give the map back to Wisse and let him finish. When I took over to finish I thought there was only several little minor things to change. I have spent a considerable amount of time on this that I had not planned. I have many other things going on right now as well. I am glad that I could help out and want to get this map to get done.

[iancanton]

looking good now.

ian.

[Wisse]

it looks great, only one small thing, can you remove the black border around the taiwan flag? (or put a black border around every flag )
other than that it looks great

[WidowMakers]

it looks great, only one small thing, can you remove the black border around the taiwan flag? (or put a black border around every flag )
other than that it looks great

OK and then I will update the XML and post Large/Small images with & without numbers.

WM

[Wisse]

ok
and then i think its quench time

[WidowMakers]

OK. Version 9

Updated XML. Everything should be good to go.

XML:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/6/15/ ... hinaV9.xml
Large:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4451 ... 09ldv3.png
Small:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8495 ... 09szz1.png


Greater China by Wisse
Map Creation Thread: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11235
Number of Territories: 29
Number of Continents: 7
Gameplay Features: One Way Borders / Bombardment / Collections / Neutrals

Recommended Gameplay Settings:
3 - 4 players

Gameplay Feature Associations:

One Way Borders-Gansu attacks Nei Mongol over the Great Wall & E. Xizang attacks W. Xizang over mountians
Bombardment-Chinese Kashmir can bombard E. Xizang
Collections-Territories with political emblems are part of a bonus group collection. +1 for holding any 3 and +3 for holding all of them.
Neutral-Shandong starts the game neutral with 2 armies

Map Description: This is a small political/geographical map of China.

[Wisse]

nice
now we need andy or any other foundry mod to look to this i think

[cairnswk]

Very nice WM....Congrats Wisse...finally!

[gimil]

The grey arrows could do with being a little sharper and Id like to see the E.Xizang in the legends a little darker for readability reasons

Other than that:

[Wisse]

The grey arrows could do with being a little sharper and Id like to see the E.Xizang in the legends a little darker for readability reasons

Other than that:

ty gimil, i don't know if it is easy to make the border of the arrows sharper, and i can read E. Xizang perfectly in the legend, not sure if others are having problems with it

[gimil]

The grey arrows could do with being a little sharper and Id like to see the E.Xizang in the legends a little darker for readability reasons

Other than that:

ty gimil, i don't know if it is easy to make the border of the arrows sharper, and i can read E. Xizang perfectly in the legend, not sure if others are having problems with it

E.Xizang is readable but I think its a little to light and blends a little with the background color in hte legends, jsut a little clarity would be nice

[WidowMakers]

So from a CA perspective, does this map need more work or is it done? I am just asking because if there is more work to do I will be handing it back over to Wisse to finish.

WM

[gimil]

So from a CA perspective, does this map need more work or is it done? I am just asking because if there is more work to do I will be handing it back over to Wisse to finish.

WM

I have only an issues with te grey arrows, they look a little untidy to me and jsut need to be sharpened up. But its an issues im not to fussed with.

[gimil]

Wisse can I ask you yo update your first post with the stamps you have recieved