wilderbeast [pending]

[LFAW]

Leave Trust alone. Hes an amazing player and does make noob mistakes as do us all.

[TheTrust]

Thank you LFAW (I'm sure he means "she's the gal")

[kalishnikov]

This is ridiculous, the guy hasnt logged into CC for weeks and has quit because of these sort of accusations.

He's been accused twice of being a multi and he's been cleared twice. He's sick of you guys always comming up with threads just begging mods to find him guilty of something he's not done and he's quit CC because of it. I Wouldnt be surprised if he sends the mods a message telling them to bust him for anything, just to keep you guys happy lol. It really is sad tho. Sometimes players have a very unlikely situation that they play through and that unlikely situation translates into "he must be cheating because this situation is so unlikely" Well I for one will tell you Beast did no cheat, he had a legitimate situation with CC because of his living arrangements and was cleared twice... The guy refuses to come back to CC because among other things, he believes the mods will just be pressured even more to find something wrong with him. He's even said he would pm the mods to bust him on any given "Event X" because he can appreciate the trouble they're getting from players like you Gabon. I would personally love to see Beast come back to the game but I can understand why he wouldnt want to because of a situation that attracts so much attention, whether he's cleared twice or one hundred and twice. In theory he assumes if he doesnt return and the mods get sick of you guys, they can pull something out of their hats and end this with something. It doesnt really affect beast anymore but I find it sickening that the guy liked this place so much and let you guys bully him out lol.

Unlike everyone else in this thread, I don't think you and Beast are multis, the language and patterns in said language are completely different then Beast's. If you are Beast, you've got multiple personalities, lol.

Anyway, the thing is Beast's specific case has brought up many relevant questions that are MUCH bigger then the one, specific player in question; all of which need to be addressed and may have a large impact on CC as we know it.

The mods understand how large of a decision it is so they have much discussing to do, thus why it's taking them so long, and until then this thread will probably be kept alive but its not really about Beast any longer, it has evolved into a much larger question: where does 'account sitting' end and can you and other people, legally, share a premium account for prolonged periods.

Beast was merely the most obvious example of a question that has been posed many, many times (Skyt and whoever, and several other examples) but a definitive statement has yet to be issued.

[TheTrust]

I agree. The situation isnt about whether beast is a cheater or not anymore but whether what is allowed for now should be continuing, beast has however been targeted by so many people here making it personal against him and he did nothing wrong. This is the only issue I disagree with. If you have a problem with the system fine, address it, but to constantly accuse a single player and make it personal is on a whole different level. If beast had been cheating he would have been kicked earlier, he did not cheat and now whats being observed is whether or not what has been implemented by he and his room-mates should continue to be legal. In regards to calling beast an intentional cheater they are off. Beast would have been gone if that was the case 2 trials ago.

[kalishnikov]

I agree with you there.

I don't know Beast or any of you guys but it seems to me that if all the accusations I've heard about Beast were true, he would have been banned/punished in some way long ago. It sounds more to me like Beast just talked a lot of crap to people and they got pissed about it, so he said some things he should have thought out more. Crap talking is certainly not against the rules but it will bring consequences from the community, usually in the form of 'cheating' accusations.

I just want to know how 'shareable' premium accounts are before mine and my girlfriend's both need renewed next month, to avoid further complications and this thread is a great precedent for that.

My girlfriend and I play different games, with different styles with different people at different times so if we shared an account BEFORE this question has reached a conclusion we could be the next big debate in the C&A forums and I don't want that. She doesn't play much though so $25 is rough for her to decide to play like 8 games, then not play for a few months, then play 6 games, etc.

[GabonX]

This is ridiculous, the guy hasnt logged into CC for weeks and has quit because of these sort of accusations.

He's been accused twice of being a multi and he's been cleared twice. He's sick of you guys always comming up with threads just begging mods to find him guilty of something he's not done and he's quit CC because of it. I Wouldnt be surprised if he sends the mods a message telling them to bust him for anything, just to keep you guys happy lol. It really is sad tho. Sometimes players have a very unlikely situation that they play through and that unlikely situation translates into "he must be cheating because this situation is so unlikely" Well I for one will tell you Beast did no cheat, he had a legitimate situation with CC because of his living arrangements and was cleared twice... The guy refuses to come back to CC because among other things, he believes the mods will just be pressured even more to find something wrong with him. He's even said he would pm the mods to bust him on any given "Event X" because he can appreciate the trouble they're getting from players like you Gabon. I would personally love to see Beast come back to the game but I can understand why he wouldnt want to because of a situation that attracts so much attention, whether he's cleared twice or one hundred and twice. In theory he assumes if he doesnt return and the mods get sick of you guys, they can pull something out of their hats and end this with something. It doesnt really affect beast anymore but I find it sickening that the guy liked this place so much and let you guys bully him out lol.

Hey the trust, lol, he was playing as recently as last week, lol, and has a game awaiting players, lol, and if you had taken the time to read my initial post you would have seen that the problem brought up wasn't that he was a suspected multi but whether or not it is allowed to share an account lol. So, lol, I would suggest that before you go off on a tangent, lol, you take the time to find out what you're talking about.

Regardless of the situation with wilderbest the issue of players sharing a premium account remains unadressed, probably because the mods know they messed up by setting a precedent of it being OK while they don't want the site to lose money.

If wilderbeast had shown some modesty when playing, or in other words shut up, nobody would know that multiple people were playing on his account but instead he decided to brag. If I'm playing someone I would like to know that I'm playing one person on an account and not have them be able to fall back and say that I actualy hadn't beat them as was the case with wilderbeast. He brought criticism from me, and everyone else in this thread who complained about him, on himself and we deserve some kind of resolution.

[hulmey]

QFT

[TheTrust]

So beast let his room-mates play risk on his account? What was your problem with that? Nobody told him he couldnt do it and his room-mates had a good time on CC...

Just because you want to be able to say: "I beat beast" doesnt mean he should tell his room-mates... "fine, because GabonX wants to have bragging rights over beating me, so you guys cant play on my account." Its not about falling back, the result of the game never determins who plays it. To say that is to say "Beast really has no room-mates and is just pretending to have them if he ever loses a game".

However, because beast does have room-mates and lets them play, that means not all the games on the "Wilderbeast" account are his. The same players that fuss and moan about beast's room-mates are the same ones that say he has none, it's relatively ironic.

Beast teaches alot of people the game including myself... I will keep a name out of it because appearantly being trained by beast isnt overly popular here but there is a new member to CC being trained by beast who is 3-0 (or will be after his current 1-1 game). Thats right, a 100% win streak lmao. It is possible.

[jiminski]

So beast let his room-mates play risk on his account? What was your problem with that? Nobody told him he couldnt do it ....

Well i for one think that it is very kind of TheTrust to allow TheBeast to type using his account!




Although i make no judgement upon this specific allegation, I don't find it surprising for Beast to get a certain amount of 'ribbing' and a lack of respect in these forums.

All i have seen WB post are soapbox rants on how brilliant he is.
Perhaps these are tongue-in cheek but with just over 1000 points it does not hold much water.
Along with all the 'excuses' for his bad score and win percentage it lends him a slightly ridiculous aura.

To expound the certain disdain for this demigod, his 'disciples' all come out professing his superiority and his unmatched tutelage.

hehe you are courting a certain amount of teasing to be perfectly honest.

[TheTrust]

lmao beast has no access to my account. Thats my legitimate feeling, I dont believe there is a problem with beast letting his room-mates play games on his account, for other people to want bragging rights over beating "beast" isnt his problem. Naturally if you have other players playing games on your account your points will be affected. This whole thing cant be proven or disproven, Beast played for fun teaches well and tries to get people to enjoy the game. He also played it very well. For someone with his strategies to win alot of games I can personally see it, alot of people here cant and for that reason whether or not he has won what he says makes no difference because nobody wants to accept it so they say its not possible. For instance the player above mentioned whos about to win his 3rd game, thats 3/3, thats a 100% win ratio. It is possible, beast has just been at the site longer than him and played a few hundred games as opposed to just 3. Nonetheless it comes down to what people want to accept or feel they need to confront, nobody can prove that beast didnt perform as he said and thats where this distain for his room-mates come in because its a legitimate story. Sure nobody can prove that they played "beast" but also nobody can prove that they didnt so it comes down to hearsay and who was there... if You guys just asked him in the first place who you were playing I'm sure they'd tell you. However then people would just say... oh he's lying. Nope, nope, I refuse to accept that i'm not beating THE BEAST! lol its really kinda sad.

[TheTrust]

nonetheless... to continue with this I'll be old and grey before we get anywhere. I do believe I'm done here unless someone has anything relevent or exposing to say

[xxtig12683xx]

any day now??

[Maggog]

So what is this about? Was Wilderbeast a cheater? (Multi/Secret alliance?) Is this more about allowing people to play on his account? Are there rules against it? I didnt read anything upon entering that said people couldnt play on other people's accounts but I could have skimmed over it :s

[Timminz]

nonetheless... to continue with this I'll be old and grey before we get anywhere. I do believe I'm done here unless someone has anything relevent or exposing to say

I think the real point here, is that no matter how many times he says "there's no reason to lie", nobody's ever going to believe that this guy has won all but 9 of his "500" games.

[CrimsonDeath]

So what is this about? Was Wilderbeast a cheater? (Multi/Secret alliance?) Is this more about allowing people to play on his account? Are there rules against it? I didnt read anything upon entering that said people couldnt play on other people's accounts but I could have skimmed over it :s

This is no longer about beast individually. This is about the fact that beast allowed his room-mates to play games on his account. He didnt multi and he didnt have secret alliances with people, when he joined nobody mentioned to him that his room-mates couldnt play on his account.

Whats really being decided here is whether or not this should continue to be acceptable, (if in fact it is right now) Beast wasnt told about any laws restricting his room-mates from playing on his account so this isnt a personal attack against beast, nobody is suggesting that he's willingly cheating, its about the situation at hand and whether or not it should change. I do agree with trust tho that its become a moot point(regarding beast anyway, there are others that are wondering if they can do the same with their accounts that beast had done), whens the last time Wilderbeast account was accessed anyway?

[wrestler1ump]

This stupid thread has reached 8 pages. How could a moderator not have locked this damn thing? If you want to abuse the site, go to flame wars and troll with the rest of the Conquerclub losers.

[Iliad]

This stupid thread has reached 8 pages. How could a moderator not have locked this damn thing? If you want to abuse the site, go to flame wars and troll with the rest of the Conquerclub losers.

maybe because there is no point ?

whump why are you trying to go back to the mod thing? You failed miserably and you will fail miserably

[xxtig12683xx]

So what is this about? Was Wilderbeast a cheater? (Multi/Secret alliance?) Is this more about allowing people to play on his account? Are there rules against it? I didnt read anything upon entering that said people couldnt play on other people's accounts but I could have skimmed over it :s

This is no longer about beast individually. This is about the fact that beast allowed his room-mates to play games on his account. He didnt multi and he didnt have secret alliances with people, when he joined nobody mentioned to him that his room-mates couldnt play on his account.

Whats really being decided here is whether or not this should continue to be acceptable, (if in fact it is right now) Beast wasnt told about any laws restricting his room-mates from playing on his account so this isnt a personal attack against beast, nobody is suggesting that he's willingly cheating, its about the situation at hand and whether or not it should change. I do agree with trust tho that its become a moot point(regarding beast anyway, there are others that are wondering if they can do the same with their accounts that beast had done), whens the last time Wilderbeast account was accessed anyway?

Thats because beast is playing as TheTrust now.

[hwhrhett]

i must say that i find it hilarious, that both thetrust and wilderbeast both never read anything at all that someone says before they reply and argue. im betting that they are the same person and will be busted for it eventually, lol.

i mean, what are the odds that there are two people both who can write but cannot read, who just happen to be friends?

[Maggog]

TT is a woman by the name of Ashlea who is a part time secretary at a Newfoundland high school. She attends College of the North Atlantic with General studies courses (She told me shes waiting to be accepted into an office admin program and is taking care of the business loose courses (Computers, law, etc...)


Beast goes to the same college, is a bit older, Plays football, soccer and wrestles. Beast is pursuing Accounting and Marketting at College of the North Atlantic. He is already accepted into his accounting program. Beast lives in a dorm most of the time with his room-mates (I know this forum is fairly familiar with 1 or 2 of them).


Relation between the 2: TheTrust and Beast go to the same college. TheTrust was introduced to CC by beast and learned the game through his emails and strat readings (which also directed her to the Legion of the Damned clan although shes no longer part of it and I dont know what happened there).

Beast has quit CC temporarily I believe, could be permanent but I dont know, you'd have to ask Crimson, he'd likely know more about that (seeing as Crimson is his room-mate). Beast only ever played his account despite having others play on his, TheTrust never had access to his account and he never to hers.

The 2 are most definately seperate individuals. Neither has access to the accounts of the other. This much I am sure of despite being behind in pretty much anything else.

As for the topic at hand, I am interested in knowing if my brother can play games on my account, note I can only play 4 at a time so we might go 2/2 depending on whats decided about allowing more than 1 player to 1 account. I do agree in a nutshell based on what I've read (and what I know to be true from above) that Beast is not a cheater so this is about players X and Y ... on account X. Maybe the fact that I am not premium will lend me a little less of a hard time if my brother does play on my account. Still I'm not just interested in what the mods decide (although it will have final say). What do you guys believe is appropriate? From what happened to beast its very obvious that even though a legitimate situation is occuring, the fact that its tough to prove will earn harsh remarks. My brother may not make an account for that reason and we'll settle for 2 games at a time each (serves us both fine as we're busy anyway). I just dont wanna be accused of being a multi when I'm innocent

[wicked]

guys stay on topic or don't post. obviously people are still posting relevant info here and you guys spamming the thread are making it impossible to sort the relevant info and your BS. Take your convo's elsewhere.

[CrimsonDeath]

I cant believe I keep comming back to this thread.

- Beast is gone, he is tired of mods getting pressured to take action against him after they have found him innocent not once, but twice.

- Beast had a great time at this site, as we all do. Instead of lying, he backed up his playstyle and strategies when people used rank as a means of saying he wasnt good enough to give advice. (For the record, the 500 wins and 9 "singles" losses was a fact, beast openly claimed that team games were not included in the stat. In reality, nobody wanted to hear or believe that a player could win 500 games and only lose 9 singles games. A poster geniusly mentioned above: "I dont think anyone believes he won 500 and lost 9". Beliefs are irrelevant. Upon recieving premium and unlimited games, beast had to keep track of what games were his and which werent.

The vicious cycle of this is as follows

To know the truth, you would have to be here... To be here, you are considered an non-credible witness... whoever is here can relay the truth, but it will make no difference because the people who are asking for the proof were not here, those that are, have their mere existance questioned.

Because of the above circle nobody will ever be satisfied so everyone was happy to jump on beast because the story could not be disproven and anyone in a position to give actual numbers would not be taken seriously because of the "convenience" of being in a situation to give the objective number. Beast could have lied, beast should have lied. He has this moral christian belief thing going for him and the attitude that says: "what is, it is, like it or not, if and how you deal with it is up to you"

Beast had been cooperative with mods/hunters and open with them. We could have all just used his account and tried to fly below the radar but beast wanted to make sure that he was not overstepping boundries. Particularly he conversed with Sully (I believe it was). So often this site grows through word of mouth. Beast did alot of "selling" to others he thought might enjoy the game, particularly regulars from finalconquest.com. Now anyone that reads beast's emails or are referred to the game by him get the door slammed in their face by his previous clan and just get accused of being his multi when they see what CCs about.

Ironically, these newcommers have no idea what they're being accused of because they recognize the name "Wilderbeast" in topics concerning them and dont understand the history behind whats happening. Beast got a rotten deal based on speculation alone, people have been asses to him over and over. I might not agree that honesty is always the best policy but I respect the guy for the above attitude mentioned. The truth is, what is is and it has to be dealt with. If people dont believe the record is true, then fine, smirk at your screen and come up with all the odds that would be against it happening. If you could prove it untrue then perhaps you'd have something to write about but because of beast's situation nobody could prove the record untrue so bash it if you dont want to believe it, nobody cares but it doesnt make beast a cheater.

I for one miss the guy around here on CC. Real life's cool still.

[PinkyAndTheBrain]

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In the event that the story may be legit. (I find it hard to believe but I am in no position to say you are lying so I will not make the statement) then you my friend may be one of the players that could challenge me in a game. We'll definately have to meet sometime ingame.

[PinkyAndTheBrain]

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TT is a woman by the name of Ashlea who is a part time secretary at a Newfoundland high school. She attends College of the North Atlantic with General studies courses (She told me shes waiting to be accepted into an office admin program and is taking care of the business loose courses (Computers, law, etc...)


Beast goes to the same college, is a bit older, Plays football, soccer and wrestles. Beast is pursuing Accounting and Marketting at College of the North Atlantic. He is already accepted into his accounting program. Beast lives in a dorm most of the time with his room-mates (I know this forum is fairly familiar with 1 or 2 of them).


Relation between the 2: TheTrust and Beast go to the same college. TheTrust was introduced to CC by beast and learned the game through his emails and strat readings (which also directed her to the Legion of the Damned clan although shes no longer part of it and I dont know what happened there).

Beast has quit CC temporarily I believe, could be permanent but I dont know, you'd have to ask Crimson, he'd likely know more about that (seeing as Crimson is his room-mate). Beast only ever played his account despite having others play on his, TheTrust never had access to his account and he never to hers.

The 2 are most definately seperate individuals. Neither has access to the accounts of the other. This much I am sure of despite being behind in pretty much anything else.

As for the topic at hand, I am interested in knowing if my brother can play games on my account, note I can only play 4 at a time so we might go 2/2 depending on whats decided about allowing more than 1 player to 1 account. I do agree in a nutshell based on what I've read (and what I know to be true from above) that Beast is not a cheater so this is about players X and Y ... on account X. Maybe the fact that I am not premium will lend me a little less of a hard time if my brother does play on my account. Still I'm not just interested in what the mods decide (although it will have final say). What do you guys believe is appropriate? From what happened to beast its very obvious that even though a legitimate situation is occuring, the fact that its tough to prove will earn harsh remarks. My brother may not make an account for that reason and we'll settle for 2 games at a time each (serves us both fine as we're busy anyway). I just dont wanna be accused of being a multi when I'm innocent

[PinkyAndTheBrain]

dot

:-k

I think you are behind the times Gabon lol check the general thread page. Beast has decided to quit CC. (Appearantly he's not a fan of mods being pressured because they clear him). As for his room-mates, If they truly would be accused of having multiple accounts from 1 IP then I would understand whey they'd settle for just playing on 1 collective account.

I've read through some other threads too since Beast left... did you know that alot of people demanding a punishment be carried out against beast's room-mates are the same people that say he's lying and that they're fictional characters?