Warsteiner and strakkebillen [blocked]

[Hotdoggie]

what happened here? he get accused or suspected again?

JR decided to give this thread a big bump, and decided to throw in sevral people who Steiner might be cheating with...including me! *yay*

[Risktaker17]

Hotdog cheating lol. No way! You accused him just because he accused him. I've defended War doesn't mean I was his multi, or in alliance with him. It is necessary to have indisputable evidence. Suspicion is not enough. It needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

what happened here? he get accused or suspected again?

JR decided to give this thread a big bump, and decided to throw in sevral people who Steiner might be cheating with...including me! *yay*

no I said warsteiner and Bladin had a secret alliance. I said I was watching games with you and others as well. Dont change my statement for others to read. It is documented above. And personally I dont care about your feedback. I have 460 ( CC record ) and that doesnt mean shit. If im going to have a secret alliance, my feedback isnt going to stop or support me.

[Risktaker17]

Rocket calm down, I have played countless games with Bladin War and Hotdog, and I haven't noticed anything suspicious. Nothing more suspicious than Prank with Scott in their games.

[Hotdoggie]

what happened here? he get accused or suspected again?

JR decided to give this thread a big bump, and decided to throw in sevral people who Steiner might be cheating with...including me! *yay*

no I said warsteiner and Bladin had a secret alliance. I said I was watching games with you and others as well. Dont change my statement for others to read. It is documented above. And personally I dont care about your feedback. I have 460 ( CC record ) and that doesnt mean shit. If im going to have a secret alliance, my feedback isnt going to stop or support me.

Well what is the need to even point it out? Are you on some power trip, some wanabee mod rush? IDC if you want to spend your life stalking peoples games who you don't like just to try and find some reason to moan to mods that they cheat so in future if it involves me, keep it to yourself.

[Risktaker17]

what happened here? he get accused or suspected again?

JR decided to give this thread a big bump, and decided to throw in sevral people who Steiner might be cheating with...including me! *yay*

no I said warsteiner and Bladin had a secret alliance. I said I was watching games with you and others as well. Dont change my statement for others to read. It is documented above. And personally I dont care about your feedback. I have 460 ( CC record ) and that doesnt mean shit. If im going to have a secret alliance, my feedback isnt going to stop or support me.

Well what is the need to even point it out? Are you on some power trip, some wanabee mod rush? IDC if you want to spend your life stalking peoples games who you don't like just to try and find some reason to moan to mods that they cheat so in future if it involves me, keep it to yourself.

YEAH HOTDOG!!! LAYING THE HAMMER DOWN!

[Hotdoggie]

Oh, and as for th FB comment - I have no negs, you do.

Anyway, sod this topic, dont wanna read people moaning about such petty stuff and attacking me for no reason.

[Risktaker17]

Oh, and as for th FB comment - I have no negs, you do.

HAHA!! WELL DONE HOTDOG!

[Warsteiner]

The only thing that keeps me from pursuing is that Warsteiner isn't a full-time cheater as far as I can see. And he seems also able to score points when he's not cheating. Entitling him to some sort of a high rank. He's just plain stupid, as Poo mentions, to take these risks.

wtf? I win regardless of WHOEVER is in my game. I need NO secret alliances WHATSOEVER to win. When will you stop being so Damn BLIND and just OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE.

you damn morons you and JR seriously.

You guys don't even understand how freestyle speed multiplayer games work so please do not even try thinking you do. Everyone that plays me in those games sees nothing fishy AT_ALL happens geez.

I am trying so damn hard not to be accused anymore. I even deliberatly avoid games with players I know and I even say at the start of EVERY game in game chat the names of players i know. Like "Hi Poo Maker, Hotdoggie & skeletonsofdeath, gl all"

in case u didnt notice. What more is there to do for me to prevent from being accused? I play as fair as I can now please come on tell me what the f*ck CAN I DO TO GET YOU TWO FUCKERS OFF MY BACK? you're pathetic and now PISSING ME OFF

[KoE_Sirius]

Oh, and as for th FB comment - I have no negs, you do.

Anyway, sod this topic, dont wanna read people moaning about such petty stuff and attacking me for no reason.

I agree,but the topic has nothing to do with you anyway or does it?Maybe you can start a thread about how good your feedback is and how I stole your avatar and such things.Instead of high jacking other ppls topics.
P.S who attacked you and did they throw straight 6's?

[Warsteiner]

:roll:

Ok, JR wasn't playing or watching the game, so he can't really say what happened... very accurately.

What happened was... Bladin, Warsteiner and I were all setting up to kill yellow. I had 0 cards as i had just cashed in a 3 card set... I can't remember the cards that the other 2 had. I had 2 armies. 1 of 25 and another of 47. I used my army of 25 to take some of yellows 1's and 2's....(yellow had 3 cards btw) then, i used my army of 47 to take bastogne.... leaving only 3 countries( beind bastogne) left for me to take to kill yellow. Bladin, with his army of 40, auto attacked my army of 47, and he came out of it with 8 men... He did this knowing that Warsteiner had an army of 60 men right next to us. I then used my army of around 25 to take back bastogne, trying to kill yellow before War did. War autoed my army, killed yellow and easily killed bladin, since he had wasted his men on me. War then went on to win the game very easily.

The play for me wouldn't have been enough to give me suspicions of a secret alliance, but the chat that then followed did. I was really pissed of at Bladin for blatantly giving the game to War, but even after i spelled out what he had done wrong, he still thought he was right. Not only that, but WoWaholic, who was also playing, accused me of being wrong. Now.... Bladin and WoWaholic are definitely smart enough and have enough experience in freestyle speed games to know that i was right.... On top of that, War just took the win and didn't comment on how bad Bladins gameplay was...

I received a pm from Prankcall, saying how he thought their play was v.suspicious, but i decided to give War the benefit of the doubt...Because i don't think that he's stupid enough to have a secret alliance especially after he has been accused of one.

Bladin made a move I wouldn't do in such a situation I agree. However many players do that. I know how bladin plays therefore I was myself afraid to make the move you made Poo. In case u didnt notice i stayed as far from bladin's big stack as possible and already gave up on the kill of yellow until I saw u two guys attacked eachother. I didnt figure out who attacked who until I read the gamechat a while later. I didnt mingle in your discussion with bladin as I still had a game to finish if you don't mind. Moreover; Why would I comment on someone's bad gameplay when I won the game due to it? I only get angry and yell at someone when they have bad gameplay which makes me lose I was lucky bladin suicided on you, but happy it happened ofc so why would I mingle in the discussion?
Funny you mention WoWaholic. TBh i thought he was your alliance (he killed yellow in Zuid-Nederland) so the road for you to kill yellow was open). After I read his comments against you I presume he's not your ally. But this is a clear example of how easy it seems to be a secret alliance in our freestyle games as weird things happen.

I feel kind of shocked Poo that you accuse me of this as I've beaten and played you many times. I've won a few regardless of what players were in the game. If you check my recently finished games u can see that I win like 85% of all my games lately. I won 12 benelux 6-8 player games and lost only 2. all the benelux games consisted out of different players. I even believe your name appears most (havent checked) in the games. Why would I cheat if I'm already good enough to win myself? wouldnt make any sense would it? especially not cause this whining of JR already makes me pissed off and I'm completely pissed about this game lately cause of him.

More on topic: After my block with strakkebillen I avoid playing with people I know IRL. That's why I avoid playing with BladiN and only do doubles. He joined that benelux game before I could ( I already promised you I would join Poo in PM remember) so I joined. I would rather if he wouldnt have joiend cause I HATE BEING ACCUSED. I play fair to get my points. Everyone can see from my recently finished that I'm a good player thats how I got my poitns. not a damn cheater.

[Warsteiner]

Right Hotdoggie, you won the game.
And that's exactly the aim of a secret alliance: working together so you or Warsteiner can clinch the game.
Undisputable proof isn't needed to have you blocked from playing together again. Very suspicious behavior is sufficient. And you defending Warsteiner in this thread is part of that!

ROFL! I win 85% of all my games recently. I won 12 benelux games and lost 2. The one hotdoggie won is one of the ones I lost. Hotdoggie bugged me the most of all players in that game, he stole a kill I recall and won in the end cause i had 2 pair.

As said I avoided playing with bladin lately. THe games we were in the same game (check it) was the benelux one (mentioned in this topic) and some classic game earlier on. I would've won that classic game if BladiN didnt steal a kill right before my eyes. He was quicker he won it. Does that sound like alliance to you? rofl

[Hotdoggie]

Oh, and as for th FB comment - I have no negs, you do.

Anyway, sod this topic, dont wanna read people moaning about such petty stuff and attacking me for no reason.

I agree,but the topic has nothing to do with you anyway or does it?Maybe you can start a thread about how good your feedback is and how I stole your avatar and such things.Instead of high jacking other ppls topics.
P.S who attacked you and did they throw straight 6's?

Okay, I'll make one more post...I made the post you quoted because JR was implying I cheated with Steiner, I think that brings me into the topic.

And the avatar thing was funny, and we have fun when we play, so no need to be mean

[Warsteiner]

well I even warned Warsteiner and Bladin that I would be personally watching their games together. yesterday they figured they would not listen to my warning. They played this game "together" as secret alliances.

Game 1533121

you will clearly see Bladin cashing in a set of cards and suiciding poo maker to leave the game for Warsteiner to clean up. The best part is, Poo maker had no cards to collect leaving Bladins attack just totally rediculous. After Bladin used all his forces vs Poo, Warsteiner ran the table to win the game.

Seriously mods, how many times does a player need to be warned and blocked? How many of Warsteiners friends from the Netherlands are going to be permitted to play with him so he can climb the scoreboard?

when is enough-enough?

I didnt ask for BladiN to join the game. I'd rather if he didnt He just beat me to it. (I already promised Poo I'd join his game).

BladiN is indeed my doubles partner and that's the reason I avoid playing with him in publics (since he became my official doubles partner) although we play fair everytime we do. (He even backstabbed me in the BR by allying with someone else to win the game which he did.) BladiN even said once he rather beats me than anyone else, seems clear enough to me.

[poo-maker]

:roll:

Ok, JR wasn't playing or watching the game, so he can't really say what happened... very accurately.

What happened was... Bladin, Warsteiner and I were all setting up to kill yellow. I had 0 cards as i had just cashed in a 3 card set... I can't remember the cards that the other 2 had. I had 2 armies. 1 of 25 and another of 47. I used my army of 25 to take some of yellows 1's and 2's....(yellow had 3 cards btw) then, i used my army of 47 to take bastogne.... leaving only 3 countries( beind bastogne) left for me to take to kill yellow. Bladin, with his army of 40, auto attacked my army of 47, and he came out of it with 8 men... He did this knowing that Warsteiner had an army of 60 men right next to us. I then used my army of around 25 to take back bastogne, trying to kill yellow before War did. War autoed my army, killed yellow and easily killed bladin, since he had wasted his men on me. War then went on to win the game very easily.

The play for me wouldn't have been enough to give me suspicions of a secret alliance, but the chat that then followed did. I was really pissed of at Bladin for blatantly giving the game to War, but even after i spelled out what he had done wrong, he still thought he was right. Not only that, but WoWaholic, who was also playing, accused me of being wrong. Now.... Bladin and WoWaholic are definitely smart enough and have enough experience in freestyle speed games to know that i was right.... On top of that, War just took the win and didn't comment on how bad Bladins gameplay was...

I received a pm from Prankcall, saying how he thought their play was v.suspicious, but i decided to give War the benefit of the doubt...Because i don't think that he's stupid enough to have a secret alliance especially after he has been accused of one.

Bladin made a move I wouldn't do in such a situation I agree. However many players do that. I know how bladin plays therefore I was myself afraid to make the move you made Poo. In case u didnt notice i stayed as far from bladin's big stack as possible and already gave up on the kill of yellow until I saw u two guys attacked eachother. I didnt figure out who attacked who until I read the gamechat a while later. I didnt mingle in your discussion with bladin as I still had a game to finish if you don't mind. Moreover; Why would I comment on someone's bad gameplay when I won the game due to it? I only get angry and yell at someone when they have bad gameplay which makes me lose I was lucky bladin suicided on you, but happy it happened ofc so why would I mingle in the discussion?
Funny you mention WoWaholic. TBh i thought he was your alliance (he killed yellow in Zuid-Nederland) so the road for you to kill yellow was open). After I read his comments against you I presume he's not your ally. But this is a clear example of how easy it seems to be a secret alliance in our freestyle games as weird things happen.

I feel kind of shocked Poo that you accuse me of this as I've beaten and played you many times. I've won a few regardless of what players were in the game. If you check my recently finished games u can see that I win like 85% of all my games lately. I won 12 benelux 6-8 player games and lost only 2. all the benelux games consisted out of different players. I even believe your name appears most (havent checked) in the games. Why would I cheat if I'm already good enough to win myself? wouldnt make any sense would it? especially not cause this whining of JR already makes me pissed off and I'm completely pissed about this game lately cause of him.

More on topic: After my block with strakkebillen I avoid playing with people I know IRL. That's why I avoid playing with BladiN and only do doubles. He joined that benelux game before I could ( I already promised you I would join Poo in PM remember) so I joined. I would rather if he wouldnt have joiend cause I HATE BEING ACCUSED. I play fair to get my points. Everyone can see from my recently finished that I'm a good player thats how I got my poitns. not a damn cheater.

Ok, even though i've officially left, i have to reply to this because you didn't read my post.

I am not accusing you of a secret alliance. The only reason that i replied to this thread was because JR was accusing you, and the info that he gave was 90% bullshit.

I still don't think that you had a secret alliance. But, Bladins ridiculous play was too ridiculous to be left without some kind of explanation or apology. Neither of which he gave... I know that you have beaten me many times before. I think that you even have a higher win record against me.

Gl on reaching #1

[Warsteiner]

thanks mate, I hope to see you more often on the battlefield

[Blitzaholic]

:roll:

Ok, JR wasn't playing or watching the game, so he can't really say what happened... very accurately.

What happened was... Bladin, Warsteiner and I were all setting up to kill yellow. I had 0 cards as i had just cashed in a 3 card set... I can't remember the cards that the other 2 had. I had 2 armies. 1 of 25 and another of 47. I used my army of 25 to take some of yellows 1's and 2's....(yellow had 3 cards btw) then, i used my army of 47 to take bastogne.... leaving only 3 countries( beind bastogne) left for me to take to kill yellow. Bladin, with his army of 40, auto attacked my army of 47, and he came out of it with 8 men... He did this knowing that Warsteiner had an army of 60 men right next to us. I then used my army of around 25 to take back bastogne, trying to kill yellow before War did. War autoed my army, killed yellow and easily killed bladin, since he had wasted his men on me. War then went on to win the game very easily.

The play for me wouldn't have been enough to give me suspicions of a secret alliance, but the chat that then followed did. I was really pissed of at Bladin for blatantly giving the game to War, but even after i spelled out what he had done wrong, he still thought he was right. Not only that, but WoWaholic, who was also playing, accused me of being wrong. Now.... Bladin and WoWaholic are definitely smart enough and have enough experience in freestyle speed games to know that i was right.... On top of that, War just took the win and didn't comment on how bad Bladins gameplay was...

I received a pm from Prankcall, saying how he thought their play was v.suspicious, but i decided to give War the benefit of the doubt...Because i don't think that he's stupid enough to have a secret alliance especially after he has been accused of one.

Bladin made a move I wouldn't do in such a situation I agree. However many players do that. I know how bladin plays therefore I was myself afraid to make the move you made Poo. In case u didnt notice i stayed as far from bladin's big stack as possible and already gave up on the kill of yellow until I saw u two guys attacked eachother. I didnt figure out who attacked who until I read the gamechat a while later. I didnt mingle in your discussion with bladin as I still had a game to finish if you don't mind. Moreover; Why would I comment on someone's bad gameplay when I won the game due to it? I only get angry and yell at someone when they have bad gameplay which makes me lose I was lucky bladin suicided on you, but happy it happened ofc so why would I mingle in the discussion?
Funny you mention WoWaholic. TBh i thought he was your alliance (he killed yellow in Zuid-Nederland) so the road for you to kill yellow was open). After I read his comments against you I presume he's not your ally. But this is a clear example of how easy it seems to be a secret alliance in our freestyle games as weird things happen.

I feel kind of shocked Poo that you accuse me of this as I've beaten and played you many times. I've won a few regardless of what players were in the game. If you check my recently finished games u can see that I win like 85% of all my games lately. I won 12 benelux 6-8 player games and lost only 2. all the benelux games consisted out of different players. I even believe your name appears most (havent checked) in the games. Why would I cheat if I'm already good enough to win myself? wouldnt make any sense would it? especially not cause this whining of JR already makes me pissed off and I'm completely pissed about this game lately cause of him.

More on topic: After my block with strakkebillen I avoid playing with people I know IRL. That's why I avoid playing with BladiN and only do doubles. He joined that benelux game before I could ( I already promised you I would join Poo in PM remember) so I joined. I would rather if he wouldnt have joiend cause I HATE BEING ACCUSED. I play fair to get my points. Everyone can see from my recently finished that I'm a good player thats how I got my poitns. not a damn cheater.

Ok, even though i've officially left, i have to reply to this because you didn't read my post.

I am not accusing you of a secret alliance. The only reason that i replied to this thread was because JR was accusing you, and the info that he gave was 90% bullshit.

I still don't think that you had a secret alliance. But, Bladins ridiculous play was too ridiculous to be left without some kind of explanation or apology. Neither of which he gave... I know that you have beaten me many times before. I think that you even have a higher win record against me.

Gl on reaching #1

i replied to what is in blue? what you mean you left? you quitting the site poo?

and to me if war was cleared, leave him alone guys.

[InkL0sed]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... highlight=

[sully800]

Ok, even though i've officially left, i have to reply to this because you didn't read my post.

I am not accusing you of a secret alliance. The only reason that i replied to this thread was because JR was accusing you, and the info that he gave was 90% bullshit.

I still don't think that you had a secret alliance. But, Bladins ridiculous play was too ridiculous to be left without some kind of explanation or apology. Neither of which he gave... I know that you have beaten me many times before. I think that you even have a higher win record against me.

Gl on reaching #1

Thanks for that post poo-maker. I thought that was what you were saying the first time around as well.

I definitely understand JR's viewpoint since Bladin attacked Poo and Warsteiner ended up winning. But with all the testimony of the players actually in the game, it seems to have just been an instance of poor play.

We bust/strip/reset players when there is proof of their cheating (in krusher's case we had testimony from players saying he asked them for a secret alliance and the evidence from games supported that.) If there isn't proof but enough suspicion players will be blocked from playing together....so if a similar incident happened with Bladin a block would definitely be appropriate. As I said before though, this seems to be a case of poor playing, just like most secret alliance accusations.

[Warsteiner]

thanks sully, as said I'm already avoiding playing with BladiN in publics, so it's no problem I prefer playing doubles with him anyhow.

[KoE_Sirius]

I'll be honest with you warsteiner...The only reason I jumped on this subject is because you accused me of cheating.If you have no guilt...Then why are you blocked....People in glass houses should not throw stones.
I was cleared btw.If I had been blocked for something I havent done.I'd never shut up about it.

[Maldor]

I ve just joind CC and this was the first thread on the forum I read.
I must say guys absolutely HILARIOUS.
One of the funniest threads I ever read.......cant wait to meet some of you on the battlefield

[Blitzaholic]

i can explain it:
i will use other words than they did but the meaning is the same (just because they are talking degousting) (so the first 4 lines are half edited)


2007-10-21 13:16:25 - Warsteiner: this will become a bad game
2007-10-21 13:16:52 - strakkebillen: don't deploy on brazil
2007-10-21 13:17:03 - strakkebillen: take europe then
2007-10-21 13:17:33 - Warsteiner: as if you could take south america
2007-10-21 13:17:46 - strakkebillen: maybe at last
2007-10-21 13:17:55 - strakkebillen: you can't move in brazil because of me
2007-10-21 13:18:10 - strakkebillen: bleu gets australia
2007-10-21 13:18:43 - strakkebillen: if he would fort

why is he getting accused for cheating so much and no one is doing nothing? is it all true or no? or some true?

[Blitzaholic]

i just do not know what to think anymore and i am not sure if i should take the scores you got out of the top 5's or not, what do you think jr?

[Hotdoggie]

i just do not know what to think anymore and i am not sure if i should take the scores you got out of the top 5's or not, what do you think jr?

He hasn't been proved to be a cheater so taking any top 5s away is bs.