Abortion

[reverend_kyle]

So jay, if you have a daughter wheo gets d at the age of 13 you want her to have the rapists child?

Killing a child for the sins of the Father? Um no, adoption is an option.

So you want a rapists heir... living in a tough situation as an orphanage that makes him prone to crime?

"prone to crime"? You ooze with liberalism. Common sense this way

Jay who is more likely to commit crime.. someone who lives in a shitty orphanage and has a shitty life.. or someone from a middle class/rich family....


The poor one in the orphanage... its that simple..


unless you count corporate crimes.. but those go to a white collar resort anyways.

[spring1]

Believe it or not jay not everyone is of your religion.

Believe it or not kyle, everyone still must adhear to God's law.

You know, Jay..I have really been trying to steer clear of you, but, Jesus Christ...give it a break will you?! If you want to preach, go find a pulpit or stick to your own convoluted God thread. It's people like you that turn people like me completely OFF to the idea of organized religion.

[foutballfreek15]

So do u think people should just kill a baby rather than put them in an orphanage, and has anyone ever heard of someone being adopted from an orphanage, or has that thought never crossed your minds?

[heavycola]

Don't knwo if anyone has read Freakonomics - it's a series of essays by Stephen Levitt, a harvard economics whizz. Very interesting read.

Anwyay - he reckons the sudden drop in America's crime rate during the 90s was down to Roe V Wade - that a generation of disadvantaged, poverty-stricken children - i.e. those most likely to become criminals - simply hadn't been born. Whatever you think abotu the issue it's an interesting idea.

[foutballfreek15]

True, but if you can't provide for a kid just put them up for adoption every person has right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

[qeee1]

Every baby aborted is a crime against pedophiles everywhere.

[jay_a2j]

Don't knwo if anyone has read Freakonomics - it's a series of essays by Stephen Levitt, a harvard economics whizz. Very interesting read.

Anwyay - he reckons the sudden drop in America's crime rate during the 90s was down to Roe V Wade - that a generation of disadvantaged, poverty-stricken children - i.e. those most likely to become criminals - simply hadn't been born. Whatever you think abotu the issue it's an interesting idea.

OK, lets kill anyone who commits a crime...that would drop the crime rate also! My God, you don't kill people because of what they "might do". What is this Nazi Germany?

[jay_a2j]

Believe it or not jay not everyone is of your religion.

Believe it or not kyle, everyone still must adhear to God's law.

You know, Jay..I have really been trying to steer clear of you, but, Jesus Christ...give it a break will you?! If you want to preach, go find a pulpit or stick to your own convoluted God thread. It's people like you that turn people like me completely OFF to the idea of organized religion.

Spring you obviously don't like conviction. Is your conscience getting to ya? Don't tell me where to go or what to say. Either steer clear or live with it. When you become dictator of the USA then you can bark orders.

[qeee1]

Spring you obviously don't like conviction. Is your conscience getting to ya? Don't tell me where to go or what to say. Either steer clear or live with it. When you become dictator of the USA then you can bark orders.

Isn't saying that like telling Spring what to say?

...just a thought.

[jay_a2j]

Isn't saying that like telling Spring what to say?

...just a thought.

How do you figure? Common sense people!

[qeee1]

Well Spring is criticising you for telling people how to live, then you criticise him for telling you "where to go or what to say", which is exactly what he was criticising you for.

Also (this was my main point the last time) when you tell him not to tell you what to say, you are in fact telling him what to say, which is hypocritical.

[spring1]

Spring you obviously don't like conviction. Is your conscience getting to ya? Don't tell me where to go or what to say. Either steer clear or live with it. When you become dictator of the USA then you can bark orders.

Don't misunderstand...I try and steer clear of you and others like you because any sort of meaningful conversation that encourages an exchange of ideas absolutely cannot be had...you refuse to see any other point but your own, and that's fine--I have no problem with that. What's irritating about you is that you continually have to try and force your beliefs on those around you. Ironically, I would give anything to believe...to have faith in empty answers. Unfortunately, everything I see, hear, and touch tells me that we are alone--and that's ok. I've come to grips with that particular epiphany. I accept it without melancholy or malice. The presentable facts only enforce my belief that religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who need something, anything to explain away their own ignorance and cope with their fear of the unknown. we each deal with our demons in unique ways...I don't fault religious people for their beliefs as I don't fault me for mine. I only take issue with those, such as yourself, who seem to seize every opportunity to tell someone else that what they believe in is, in effect, wrong. From what I have read and religiously speaking, you are a brain-washed zealot. More power to you. Is it possible to keep some of your thoughts to yourself? Must you post something about the conveniently omniscient "God" with every post you type?

[Sammy gags]

i dont see y abortion is a crime, its more of preventing a life than taking one, but if i was a girl & had a kid i wouldnt get an abortion because u will never 4get that child that had potential

condoms is preventing a life. Once the sperm fertilizes the egg its a life. Abortion ends a life not prevents one.

ya wen u wash ur hands u r killing germs, ever feel bad 4 them? A fertilized egg isnt much different

[jay_a2j]

ya wen u wash ur hands u r killing germs, ever feel bad 4 them? A fertilized egg isnt much different

ROFL! Ummm no. And if you don't know the difference between an embryo and germs....... well, there is really no need to continue talking with you.

[Sammy gags]

unless it can cry & have any thinking ability i have no problem killing something

[slash1890]

Jay, you never replied to my post.

What Sammy is trying to say is there's no problem killing life so long as it's not intelligent. A fetus doesn't develop a brain until the end of the first trimester, so what's wrong with killing it before it can think? Don't tell me you're against killing unintelligent life, because I'm pretty sure you've chopped down a tree to celebrate Christmas before.

[Sammy gags]

i dont consider it killing, cuz it never had a life

[jay_a2j]

What's irritating about you is that you continually have to try and force your beliefs on those around you.

Really now? All posters who I held a gun to their head and "forced" my beliefs on please stand up.

Ironically, I would give anything to believe...to have faith in empty answers. Unfortunately, everything I see, hear, and touch tells me that we are alone--and that's ok.

I doubt it. If you would "give anything to believe", why haven't you? You don't have to take my word for it. Or Truman's or anybody else's. You can seek the answers on your own. So why haven't you? You're not gonna get a cell phone call from 555-1234 (like in Bruce Almighty).

The presentable facts only enforce my belief that religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who need something, anything to explain away their own ignorance and cope with their fear of the unknown.

This argument is older than dirt. Now lets be realistic for a moment. If I didn't believe in God and didn't want to please Him I'd probably drink, party alot, do whatever I wanted that pleases myself! So why would anyone choose this "crutch" over self-gradification? The answer is simple, He is a crutch. But a crutch that everyone needs. Because without Him we are lost. "Weak-minded"? Hardly.

From what I have read and religiously speaking, you are a brain-washed zealot. More power to you. Is it possible to keep some of your thoughts to yourself? Must you post something about the conveniently omniscient "God" with every post you type?

I am anything but "brainwashed". I have walked out of churches because their teachings are not consistent with the Bible. I will not fall victim to some cult because I make sure anything people tell me is consistent with scripture.


Your problem is not with me, but with He who is in me. And I accept that.

[jay_a2j]

Jay, you never replied to my post.

What Sammy is trying to say is there's no problem killing life so long as it's not intelligent. A fetus doesn't develop a brain until the end of the first trimester, so what's wrong with killing it before it can think? Don't tell me you're against killing unintelligent life, because I'm pretty sure you've chopped down a tree to celebrate Christmas before.

I'll try to be brief, THOU SHALL NOT KILL



any questions?

[slash1890]

Jay, you never replied to my post.

What Sammy is trying to say is there's no problem killing life so long as it's not intelligent. A fetus doesn't develop a brain until the end of the first trimester, so what's wrong with killing it before it can think? Don't tell me you're against killing unintelligent life, because I'm pretty sure you've chopped down a tree to celebrate Christmas before.

I'll try to be brief, THOU SHALL NOT KILL



any questions?

Yes. So this does include anything living? Including animals, bugs, and plants?

[Sammy gags]

better tiptoe across that grass

[heavycola]

Don't knwo if anyone has read Freakonomics - it's a series of essays by Stephen Levitt, a harvard economics whizz. Very interesting read.

Anwyay - he reckons the sudden drop in America's crime rate during the 90s was down to Roe V Wade - that a generation of disadvantaged, poverty-stricken children - i.e. those most likely to become criminals - simply hadn't been born. Whatever you think abotu the issue it's an interesting idea.

OK, lets kill anyone who commits a crime...that would drop the crime rate also! My God, you don't kill people because of what they "might do". What is this Nazi Germany?[/quote

That's not what i said. he merely pointed out a causal link. Stop putting words intyo peoples mouths. And stop talkign abotu common sense. Anyoen can claim that.

[jay_a2j]

Jay, you never replied to my post.

What Sammy is trying to say is there's no problem killing life so long as it's not intelligent. A fetus doesn't develop a brain until the end of the first trimester, so what's wrong with killing it before it can think? Don't tell me you're against killing unintelligent life, because I'm pretty sure you've chopped down a tree to celebrate Christmas before.

I'll try to be brief, THOU SHALL NOT KILL


any questions?

Yes. So this does include anything living? Including animals, bugs, and plants?

It includes humans. We were given dominion over the animals.


How's that for tiptoeing sammy?

[Sammy gags]

wut u were there wen god told all the animals that we were better than them? or u read it in a book wen they did? Or u misinterpreted a book that is filled with metaphors, im sure the baby wont mind if u dont let it mature, especially since it cant think or feel, just like grass & germs

[slash1890]

Jay, you never replied to my post.

What Sammy is trying to say is there's no problem killing life so long as it's not intelligent. A fetus doesn't develop a brain until the end of the first trimester, so what's wrong with killing it before it can think? Don't tell me you're against killing unintelligent life, because I'm pretty sure you've chopped down a tree to celebrate Christmas before.

I'll try to be brief, THOU SHALL NOT KILL


any questions?

Yes. So this does include anything living? Including animals, bugs, and plants?

It includes humans. We were given dominion over the animals.


How's that for tiptoeing sammy?

Specific bible passage, please?

And, you're also saying that there can be a man who enjoys killing animals for fun, skinning them alive and the like, but he's extremely devoted to his church, and he loves god and prays daily. This man would go to heaven?