Ukraine unbroken two years into Putin's War

[saxitoxin]

In the "largest cyberattack in modern American history," the Russian organization C.L.O.P. has penetrated the U.S. Department of Energy's computer systems, among a number of other government agencies. The U.S. Government now has seven days to pay $1 billion or the personnel files of all USG employees will be published and released.

America could have stayed neutral. Joe Biden bought this destiny. And it will only get worse from here.

[saxitoxin]

Russia's Nazi Hunter, the KA-52 Alligator ... FEROCIOUS!


Look at all this American taxpayer money burning up ...


... $80 billion that could have been spent on infrastructure up in smoke.

[GaryDenton]

Weapons contractors love the Ukraine money.
I just don't like Russia attacking neighboring countries. It is a hard habit to break unless you stop it hard and violently.

[saxitoxin]

Weapons contractors love the Ukraine money.
I just don't like Russia attacking neighboring countries. It is a hard habit to break unless you stop it hard and violently.

By this standard, the U.S. should have been blasted back into the Stone Age years ago.

[saxitoxin]

Daniel Ellsberg, legendary whistleblower who leaked the Pentagon Papers and the 2018 recipient of the Olof Palme Prize for "profound humanism and exceptional moral courage," has passed away at age 92.

His dying words were that Ukraine is the fault of the U.S.

During the course of our hour- and-20-minute interview, Ellsberg contended America still runs a “covert empire” around the world, embodied in the U.S. domination of NATO. He believes Washington deliberately provoked Vladimir Putin into invading Ukraine by pushing its seat of power eastward toward Russia’s borders; that the mainstream media is “complicit” in allowing the government to keep secrets it has no right to withhold; and that any notion Americans are ever the “good guys” abroad “has always been false.”

“Democrats in this area are as shameless as Republicans,” he says.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... tid=Zxz2cZ

Edward Snowden says he spoke with him on the phone from Moscow prior to this death (where Snowden is an asylee from political persecution by the U.S. regime), and Ellsberg said - under the brigandish D.C. cartel - there was now a 1-in-10 chance of nuclear war.

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1669795834639032339

[saxitoxin]

The wonderful U.S. socialist activist Danny Haiphong was invited by the Russian Federation to denounce the corrupt and declining Biden States on the floor of the Security Council. He did an amazing job!

[GaryDenton]

Saxi supports Russian oligarchs and totalitarians instead of America. He will even praise a socialist if he is denouncing America.

But we knew that.

[bigtoughralf]

He will even praise a socialist

Take that back! saxitoxin may be a racist and a pedarist but he does NOT support universal healthcare.

[saxitoxin]

He will even praise a socialist if he is denouncing American 20th century militarism and warmongering.

Maybe I'm actually Danny Haiphong?

[mookiemcgee]

News broke a couple hours ago that Prigozhin name was on the passengers list of a plane that crashed suggesting he's been killed.

Personally, not believing it. Fits the playbook too well to be true.

Then again, it does clean things up nicely for Putin. You can't ask a dead guy questions

[saxitoxin]

When a prominent Russian politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's the result of a sprawling plot to deep-six Putin's enemies.

When a prominent American politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's just an unfortunate accident. Even when it keeps happening. And keeps happening. And keeps happening.

[mookiemcgee]

When a prominent Russian politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's the result of a sprawling plot to deep-six Putin's enemies.

When a prominent American politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's just an unfortunate accident. Even when it keeps happening. And keeps happening. And keeps happening.

Come off it Saxi, we'd already agreed previously in this thread that they were never enemies or even at odds. It was all about shaking out generals who weren't ride of die w/Putin

[jonesthecurl]

News broke a couple hours ago that Prigozhin name was on the passengers list of a plane that crashed suggesting he's been killed.

Personally, not believing it. Fits the playbook too well to be true.

Then again, it does clean things up nicely for Putin. You can't ask a dead guy questions

Yes, all the reports I've seen say his name was on the passenger list, rather than he was on the plane. All the news sources are a little sceptical. He's probably actually in a hotel, waiting to accidentally fall out of the window.

[Dukasaur]

News broke a couple hours ago that Prigozhin name was on the passengers list of a plane that crashed suggesting he's been killed.

Personally, not believing it. Fits the playbook too well to be true.

Then again, it does clean things up nicely for Putin. You can't ask a dead guy questions

Yes, all the reports I've seen say his name was on the passenger list, rather than he was on the plane. All the news sources are a little sceptical. He's probably actually in a hotel, waiting to accidentally fall out of the window.

When a prominent Russian politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's the result of a sprawling plot to deep-six Putin's enemies.

When a prominent American politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's just an unfortunate accident. Even when it keeps happening. And keeps happening. And keeps happening.

You haven't explained how any of these "crossed the president". Carnahan was on good terms with the President as far as I know. The other three I haven't heard of, but none of the articles you've cited mention any major conflict with the Prez.

[saxitoxin]

News broke a couple hours ago that Prigozhin name was on the passengers list of a plane that crashed suggesting he's been killed.

Personally, not believing it. Fits the playbook too well to be true.

Then again, it does clean things up nicely for Putin. You can't ask a dead guy questions

Yes, all the reports I've seen say his name was on the passenger list, rather than he was on the plane. All the news sources are a little sceptical. He's probably actually in a hotel, waiting to accidentally fall out of the window.

When a prominent Russian politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's the result of a sprawling plot to deep-six Putin's enemies.

When a prominent American politician who recently crossed the president dies in a plane crash it's just an unfortunate accident. Even when it keeps happening. And keeps happening. And keeps happening.

You haven't explained how any of these "crossed the president". Carnahan was on good terms with the President as far as I know. The other three I haven't heard of, but none of the articles you've cited mention any major conflict with the Prez.

Stevens had just had a federal corruption conviction overturned after its was revealed the FBI had concealed evidence. The resulting scandal was a disaster for the DOJ.

Hale Boggs had been calling for the FBI/Secret Police to be defunded and Nick Begich was investigating the HAARP antenna array over military objections. (With Boggs and Begich we don't even know what happened. The plane just vanished over land and has never been found despite one of the largest SAR operations in history.)

Paul Wellstone was the most stridently anti war member of the Senate on the eve of the Iraq invasion.

Carnahan had just defeated Bush AG John Ashcroft for the Missouri Senate seat. His death - before taking office - meant a special election was held just one year later ... which the Bush backed Republican won this time.

[ConfederateSS]

---------Make it 2 years...The never ending story...Ukraine ....
--------------The American tax payers are paying for it...Of course Biden wants Congress to send more money to the Ukraine...
-------------My favorite is the new Russian weapon that will destroy things in space...So we better pass this bill , then another bill...More money...That is being tracked...Nobody knows where the money we all ready sent to the Ukraine is...So send more...But to come up with these new magical Russian weapons into scaring everyone , to strong arm everyone in Congress to send more money...
--------------Russia has weapons already...Nuclear...send one up, bang...It is called a Nuclear weapon...Have had them forever...One goes off in Outer Space, the shock wave will destroy every electronic thing in Space...Russia doesn't need some new special attack Space Weapon...
--------------Why scare everyone???...To keep the money, the war going...Rich American Weapon Companies, The Military Complex is making a fortune...As money also goes to the Ukraine, then slips back into Biden's pocket...That is why America needs to stop funding this war...So it can end...Russia Wins,Ukraine wins, it ends in a tie...So what???....America needs to stop sending money, needs to stop those Americans making money off the war...TAKE CARE OF THE INVASION AT THE U.S. SOUTHERN BORDER ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[Pack Rat]

Chamberlain appeases Hitler.

Trump falls down on his knees and begs Putin to help him win the election.

Pathetic.

[Pack Rat]

Tucker calls himself a journalist?

[saxitoxin]

The Biden Regime are suing for peace. Three weeks ago it apparently offered Russia the chance to carve off 1/5 of Ukraine if it will pledge not to take any more than that. U.S. intelligence sees the writing on the wall.

Joe Biden Offered Vladimir Putin 20 Percent of Ukraine to End War: Report

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-vlad ... rt-1778526

Russia smells blood in the water and wisely refused.

[saxitoxin]

[jusplay4fun]

Here is the main question here:

How much more money does the US send to Ukraine (money we DO NOT have, btw, since this merely adds to OUR deficit) just to give Russia and Putin a "bloody nose?" I think Duk said it well a while ago that the Russians have so many more people, resources, and money to throw at the outnumbered Ukrainians.

I can understand giving some money to Ukraine for arms and bullets (and the like), BUT I learned that some US money goes to PENSIONS for Ukrainian first responders and civil servants. REALLY?

Report: Ukraine May Have to Delay Salaries, Pensions Without Foreign Aid

Ukraine's government faces the prospect of delaying pensions and salaries for public servants if crucial Western financial aid is not approved soon, Deputy Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko told the Financial Times on Wednesday.

Kyiv has poured all its revenue into defense since Russia's February 2022 invasion, relying on foreign support to cover everything from pensions to social payments.

https://www.voanews.com/a/report-ukraine-may-have-to-delay-salaries-pensions-without-foreign-aid-/7415086.html

[Pack Rat]

The Ukrainians are fighting bravely for their country and to prevent the Russians to destroy their democracy. All this Chamberlin talk is unhealthy for all free countries, including our NATO allies!

Most of the aid gets funneled back to America and helps build a strong manufacturing base for America.

Trump has sent a message to all Republican Congressional members to NOT finance Ukraine, cause Russia and China wants Ukraine to be wiped off the face of Earth.

[jusplay4fun]

The main question was not answered by p-rat. NO Surprise.

I will add nuance to my question:
How much MORE money does the US give away to Ukraine? For how much longer?

I did not say cut off ALL aid. Read again, p-rat. You misunderstood and/or ignored so that you can advance your biased opinions. Again, NO Surprise here.