The Big Bad Homosexuality and Gay Marriage FAQ

[MeDeFe]

Nor is it any less real.

[Stopper]

If a church wants to play "liberal we'll accept anything" then fine they should also be allowed to have gay marriage but to force it destroys the point of and removes the "freedom" from freedom of religion.

This touches on the point that confuses me, and s.xkitten mentioned it too. I can see why there is an argument to be had over what marriages the state will recognise, and I would strongly agree with the right of homosexuals to marry in my country, were it not for the fact that the UK already recognises "civil partnerships", or, to the rest of us, "homosexual marriage". In principle, I'd say American homosexuals should have the right to the same thing.

But as far as what any individual church chooses to recognise, what does that have to do with any non-member of that church? If Jay's church doesn't want to recognise same-sex marriage, why does that concern anyone who is not a member of his church? Leave them to stew in their own juices.

[Bogusbet]

Jesus, I'm Gay!! I eat veg and everything!!

And you guys ignore me, you do NOT know what GAY is, heartless morons.

Corn burger anyone?

[reverend_kyle]

I'll post more later......

please don't.

CC is winning a contest today. 3x.

[DIRESTRAITS]

If a church wants to play "liberal we'll accept anything" then fine they should also be allowed to have gay marriage but to force it destroys the point of and removes the "freedom" from freedom of religion.

This touches on the point that confuses me, and s.xkitten mentioned it too. I can see why there is an argument to be had over what marriages the state will recognise, and I would strongly agree with the right of homosexuals to marry in my country, were it not for the fact that the UK already recognises "civil partnerships", or, to the rest of us, "homosexual marriage". In principle, I'd say American homosexuals should have the right to the same thing.

But as far as what any individual church chooses to recognise, what does that have to do with any non-member of that church? If Jay's church doesn't want to recognise same-sex marriage, why does that concern anyone who is not a member of his church? Leave them to stew in their own juices.

I think gays should have Civil Unions, but not marriage. I am personally agaist gays, but they have a right to be legaly bonded, but not spiritually bonded

[cowshrptrn]

I think gays should have Cicil Unions, but not marriage. I am personally agaist gays, but they have a right to be legaly bonded, but not spiritually bonded

We're talking about marriage as a civil bond, allow them to be legally married, and all the benefits that come with that. There are atheists heterosexuals who are married, they just didn't do it in a religious manner. Its also about viewing it as whether or not they have the legal right to marry, and whether society accepts them as normal people who just are homosexual.

[2dimes]

Totally agree Free.


It would probably feel pretty good to eat Bacon pizza, doughnuts and soft drinks for the first 15 years.

If you exercise enough to work out those calories, it doesn't really matter.

You honestly figure you can get all the nutients you need there? Good luck with that.

[cowshrptrn]

Totally agree Free.


It would probably feel pretty good to eat Bacon pizza, doughnuts and soft drinks for the first 15 years.

If you exercise enough to work out those calories, it doesn't really matter.

You honestly figure you can get all the nutients you need there? Good luck with that.

You also drink water, and eat veggies, but those would detract from the main argument.

The whole sodomy is the reason homosexuality is wrong argument is busted by three things:

people who have sex with condoms or other contraceptives

If one uses lubricant, and takes precautions not to tear or injure the tissue, then any negative effect is negligible.

plenty of hetero couples have anal sex

[2dimes]

okay, so other then the religious reason...what legal reason do we have to ban gay marraige? i can understand religions not recognizing their marriage as true, but what legal right does the government have to deny them the opportunity to get married?

The government has written the legislation regarding the definition of and legal entitlements of marriage.

In most cases those laws were written to define marriage as the union of two people one man and one woman.

The intent is to provide certain legal rights to a woman or sometimes a man who is married, such as automatic inheritance of joint property if her husband dies and inclusion in work place benifits.

I assure you that if a person is living thier life for Jesus they would have absolutly no problem allowing that same right to anyone, yes including homosexuals.

Here's where the church stuff comes in. The people intitled to perform cerimonies are legaly recognised ministers. That's called ordained. In the case of civil only type cerimonies a person that is licensed to do so may perform that, commonly a "justice of the peace."

The reason Jay's church has a legitimate concern is because they don't believe that a homosexual has a right to the spiritual union that defines what they see as marriage.

Now Jays church has many members and all are likely treated the same but not all are going to be living for Jesus. Some are going to be going through the motions with out ever actually accepting God as real even if they want to. Some might be homosexual. Some may even be something really horrible like an electrician.

The law changes in Jays state to allow gay marriage and the Homosexual comes forward and would like to marry his or her partner. Up until now they have forgot to tell the pastor about thier lifestyle choice.

Jay's minister is a little up tight and not quite ready to perform the wedding. He politely declines and asks the person to cease being a member. Then he gets to check out the lifestyle first hand as he is put into jail and possibly marries the guy with the most cigarettes.

[2dimes]

Freetymes and I are not doctors but I hear the problem with eating too much bacon covered with cheese is that some of the stuff in the fat part collects on your arteries.

I don't think countering it with veggies will help.

Red wine on the other hand might but our example diet features soda pop.

[cowshrptrn]

If you exercise enough and eat enough HDL (good cholesterol which cleans out arteries) it won't be a big deal, but u'll need to exercise a lot to burn off all those calories

[2dimes]

If you exercise enough and eat enough HDL (good cholesterol which cleans out arteries) it won't be a big deal, but u'll need to exercise a lot to burn off all those calories

Ok since you wish to continue with this, which one has more HDL, the bacon pizza, the doughnuts or the soft drinks?

[cowshrptrn]

my guess would be the mozzarella cheese on the pizza, but then again, i'm no dietitian

[2dimes]

So if the cheese is heavy enough and you run a rickshaw for a living that's a primo diet until the diabeties kicks in?

[vtmarik]

So if the cheese is heavy enough and you run a rickshaw for a living that's a primo diet until the diabeties kicks in?

You can eat other healthy foods along with the pizza, duh.

[2dimes]

So if the cheese is heavy enough and you run a rickshaw for a living that's a primo diet until the diabeties kicks in?

You can eat other healthy foods along with the pizza, duh.

No, no you can't.

My fictional healthy lifesyle choices diet, my rules.

[jay_a2j]

I assure you that if a person is living thier life for Jesus they would have absolutly no problem allowing that same right to anyone, yes including homosexuals.

WHAT?????! The Bible condemns homosexuality PERIOD. So, I would find it questionable, to say the least, that someone who is following Jesus to have "no problem" with gay marriage. Could you imagine Christ's reaction had Mark asked for Jesus' blessing to marry Luke.

[2dimes]

I assure you that if a person is living thier life for Jesus they would have absolutly no problem allowing that same right to anyone, yes including homosexuals.

WHAT?????! The Bible condemns homosexuality PERIOD. So, I would find it questionable, to say the least, that someone who is following Jesus to have "no problem" with gay marriage.

Well I don't know Jay, perhaps you should give me your interpretation of Matthew 5:44-48 because I would twist it to mean that Jesus himself taught we should let a homosexual legally marry another homosexual in a civil not a church marriage to be able to get his teeth fixed under a corporate dental plan.

Don't pull a single sentance out of context and fuss over it.

I personally think this was an important part of the statement thank you.

The intent is to provide certain legal rights to a woman or sometimes a man who is married, such as automatic inheritance of joint property if her husband dies and inclusion in work place benifits.

Could you imagine Christ's reaction had Mark asked for Jesus' blessing to marry Luke.

Uh no, I can't imagine that.

Can you, is that why you wrote it?

I kind of don't understand how you could think two religious Jews at that time would have been gay and want to get married but I guess I wasn't there so maybe you're right.

[vtmarik]

WHAT?????! The Bible condemns homosexuality PERIOD. So, I would find it questionable, to say the least, that someone who is following Jesus to have "no problem" with gay marriage. Could you imagine Christ's reaction had Mark asked for Jesus' blessing to marry Luke.

"No, Mark you can't marry Luke"
"Why not?"
"Because Luke got into his own medicine bag and he's high"
"Oh, dang. I thought he was really into me"
"That's alright, so did I once."


But seriously, how many times does the bible say that homosexuality is wrong? Once.

How many admonishments are there to heterosexuals? Over 300.

It seems to me that after Leviticus, it didn't really matter to Jesus.

Also, have you ever considered that those rules were written down over concerns of cleanliness? I mean, in Christ's days people were still wiping their ass with their left hand.

[2dimes]

I mean, in Christ's days people were still wiping their ass with their left hand.

Right now you mean?

[vtmarik]

I mean, in Christ's days people were still wiping their ass with their left hand.

Right now you mean?

Do you wipe your ass with your hand, or do you use toilet paper?

[2dimes]

I mean, in Christ's days people were still wiping their ass with their left hand.

Right now you mean?

Do you wipe your ass with your hand, or do you use toilet paper?

Hold on, before I answer I have to go thank God I'm a spoiled north american that doesn't live where they don't have toilet paper. BRB

[2dimes]

Ok, um I use toilet paper.

So you don't get out of the country much huh?

I can't blame you, regardless of what some Canucks think it's a pretty nice place overall.

[zarvinny]

Jay, since Jesus pretty much wiped out the old testament,

where does it say in the new testament that homosexuality is wrong?

[kclborat]

I understand that Jay has different beliefs than the majority of this site (and the world), but the one thing that jumped out to me the most and prompted me to post was him saying that homosexuality isn't love, it's lust. That is pure and utter bullshit. How many homosexual couples do you know? There is no proof of that statement in any way, rational or spiritual. You can also argue this for many heterosexual couples. I do know a homosexual couple, and their life does not revolve around sex and lust. Rather it revolves around building a home, a life in a new town and their commitment to each other. Say what you will about the righteousness about homosexuality, we can disagree, but don't make a claim that attacks their devotion to each other.