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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby GaryDenton on Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:47 pm

just face the fact the only record being set here is number of dead Ukraine, does not matter how many weapons we send they not going to win and thx to us now our stockpile is down and will be years before we can refill it back up, this is not usa problem but a europe problem let them figure it out......once again not our problem


Ever since Russia has turned capitalist Fascist instead of communist the American conservatives support them and our Right have become the new isolationists and repeat the propaganda they are told.

Russia is badly losing and the Russians realize this was a colossal mistake they can't get out of until Putin is gone.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:10 pm

REVEALED: AMERICANS BOMBED CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURE TO HELP ITS MEGA CORPORATIONS

The legendary, Pulitzer Prize and George Orwell Award winning reporter Seymour Hersh - whose journalism revealed the Mỹ Lai Massacre, the Abu Gharib scandal, and countless other groundbreaking stories - has just dropped another bombshell.

Hersh confirms, for the first time, that the U.S. launched a bombing attack against the Nord Stream 2 pipeline on Biden's orders to run-up energy prices and make Germany dependent on higher-priced U.S. natural gas imports. Previously Biden accused Russia of doing so and his lapdog "factcheckers" declared any assertion to the contrary as disinformation. The story also reveals the U.S. covertly collaborated with Norway to stage the attack, despite Norway's protestations it had nothing to do with it.

    Another lie the glassy-eyed, obedient, narrative bots so eagerly gulped down without questioning because Unnamed Official at Unnamed Agency told them it was true. The corporate consumer drones are living in a gentle fantasy world their elderly and fading leader, Biden, has constructed for them. When the house of cards comes finally comes tumbling down, they won't survive.
The state-affiliated media in America aren't touching the story but it's making headlines in Germany and Norway where outrage is exploding and demands are accelerating Germany pull-out of providing support for Ukraine as Germans - whose energy bills have tripled since the bombing - realize they were played for the sake of American domestic politics.

Asked why he thought the Russians failed to respond, [the source] said cynically, “Maybe they want the capability to do the same things the U.S. did.

“It was a beautiful cover story,” he went on. “Behind it was a covert operation that placed experts in the field and equipment that operated on a covert signal.

“The only flaw was the decision to do it.”

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The Germans just learned the hard way: America doesn't have friends, it has assets.

The West is doomed.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:52 pm

The legendary civil rights campaigner Edward Snowden is calling this the greatest scandal since the Bay of Pigs invasion, when the White House conspired with big agricultural conglomerates to launch an ill-fated, violent assault on the anti-fascist government of Cuba. Like saxi, Snowden is none-too-impressed with consumption drones -- a class of humans who merely eat and excrete -- who eagerly gulp down what Unnamed Official from Unnamed Agency says, despite the fact Unnamed Official is constantly being proved to be a liar.

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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:45 pm

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The Germans just learned the hard way: America doesn't have friends, it has assets.

The West is doomed.


The West is definitely not doomed, but Europe is fast learning that it needs to rearm and not be dependent on the Americans for defense.

Europe definitely has the economic potential to crush Russia without needing American help, it has lacked the will to translate its economic power into military power.

It is time for Europe's rebirth.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:26 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
The Germans just learned the hard way: America doesn't have friends, it has assets.

The West is doomed.


The West is definitely not doomed, but Europe is fast learning that it needs to rearm and not be dependent on the Americans for defense.


Europe has been on the verge of challenging the United States for the last 70 years.

America will come out on top because it will feed Europe to the sharks to guarantee it does. Germany just learned that the hard way. And, even now, it will still do as Washington commands it because it would rather take a stab wound in the leg (being forced to buy US natural gas due to Biden bombing their pipeline) than the alternative which is a bullet to the brain (a suddenly materialized color revolution).

The only country on the continent that has taken even a modicum stand against the Empire is Turkey. But Europeans don't want to count them since they're Muslim.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby ConfederateSS on Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:55 pm

------------- Well Trump warned Germany, they laughed in his face....Trump also made NATO nations cough up cash for NATO....They were happy Biden won, so they could free load on defense again...
------------- Turkey/Ottoman Empire has always been The Poor Sick Man of Europe....
------------- Actually, the only country in Europe, that has moved (America 1st Policy)...Is Italy, the new Prime Minister...Giorgia Meloni...She is, Italy 1st... Following Trump's policies in The USA as a model...
... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
------------ But The USA, Military, Industrial Complex...Wiil pay for both sides in The Russia (Soviet Union)/Ukraine war...To keep it going as long as they make money... Spending U.S. Tax Payers money for the long hall......
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:43 pm

ConfederateSS wrote:Well Trump warned Germany, they laughed in his face....Trump also made NATO nations cough up cash for NATO....They were happy Biden won, so they could free load on defense again...

Wrong.

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Germany's military budget had an major cut in 2015, but it's been increasing steadily since then. This trend started before Trump, and it has continued along the exact same trend after Trump.

Trump didn't make a lick of difference. Just a blowhard, lying, cheating sack of shit taking credit for what others have accomplished, as always.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:08 pm

There was a time progressives despised NATO to the chagrin of the defense contractor-funded Democrats. When the North Atlantic Council met in Chicago, tens of thousands of progressives packed the streets to protest it and call for its abolition.

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Now progressives support NATO ... just because. Because Trump opposed it. They have no actual reason. They feign some simple talking points ("RUSSIA. RUSSIA. RUSSIA.") to explain the shift but it's just illusion. It's all because the other tribe likes chocolate, they need to like strawberry. Even if they can't stand strawberry.

Only a few brave progressives like Caitlin Johnstone, Roger Waters, Max Blumenthal, Ralph Nader, Susan Sarandon, Johan Galtung, Glenn Greenwald, Jeffrey Sachs, Aaron Maté, Jimmy Dore, etc. haven't done a 180 and still steadfastly continue to stand against the vile NATO doom machine (and its junior partner Israel) with blood dripping from its continually gnashing maws as it hypnotizes the masses to become little warmongers. The rest have become zombified cheerleaders for parasitic capitalism and Death -- the only two things that NATO represents.

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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:50 pm

It's more complicated than that. We have a responsibility to shoot rabid dogs, even if it's our own fault that they became rabid. Especially if it's our own fault.

Putin's pathology has been described as being the same as Hitler's. Just as the big scar on Hitler's psyche was the collapse of the German Army in 1918 and the Armistice that followed, the big psychological scar that drives Putin was the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and soon afterwards of the Soviet Union itself. Just as Hitler's defining drive was to restore the glory of the German Empire, Putin's defining drive is to restore the glory of the Russian Empire.

Now, if our people weren't perfidious bastards, Hitler might have ended up a statistic, dying lonely and ignored in some homeless shelter or old veterans' club in Vienna or Munich. Putin might have disappeared into the shadows and eventually died, sitting on the front porch of some cheap hovel, drinking and amusing himself by throwing empty vodka bottles at stray cats, maybe torturing some on his lucid days.

But our leaders weren't satisfied with destroying the Soviet Union in 1991, just as they weren't satisfied with crushing Germany in 1918. They had to turn a profit on the deal. There had to be Something In It For Them.

With communism collapsing, Russia could have smoothly been transformed into a social democracy. The factories and mines and other enterprises that the state was divesting itself of could have been shared among their workers with joint-stock arrangements or worker-administered trusts. There could have been a new Golden Age in Russia, but it was not to be. Enter the Western banks, and their backroom deals to distribute all of Russia's wealth to a new generation of corrupt oligarchs. Instead of a new prosperity to cement the transition from communism to socially-responsible capitalism, Russia got a new poverty. Most suffered worse under the rule of the oligarchs than they had suffered under the communists.

Just as the pillage of Germany by the victorious allies created fertile ground for the rise of Hitler, the rape of Russia by the western banks created a new sense of hopelessness and paved the way for the rise of Putin.

It was criminal pillage by our western banks that brought Putin to power, legalized pillage for which no criminal prosecution will ever take place or even be attempted. If there was justice in the world, it would be western bankers being rolled over by Russian tanks and not young Ukrainian men, but there is no justice in the world. The assignation of blame is purely an academic exercise. The survivors don't care who started it, only who was left standing. Nobody cares that Alexander's invasion of Persia was illegal and immoral, or Rome's attacks on Carthage, or Britain's invasion of India, or any of 1000 other empire-building wars. All that matters now is how they ended up.

There's no point crying over spilt milk. It's done, it's an injustice that will never be punished, and all that matters is what we do about it now.

As Churchill documented extensively, WWII did not need to have happened. If the Allies had reacted immediately when Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland, they could have had a cakewalk into Germany. If the Allies had reacted immediately when Hitler took Austria, they would have had Mussolini's assistance instead of letting him embrace Hitler. If the Allies had not forced the Munich Agreement on the Czechs, they would have had the bulk of the German Army tied up on the Czech frontier for months while the Allies mobilized and drove in from the west. Over and over, there were opportunities to stop Hitler which were missed, and by the time the Allies discovered their spine and stood up to him, it was almost too late.

Putin's murder of Alexander Litvinenko and other opponents on British soil was the equivalent of Hitler's remilitarization of the Rhineland. It was a test of western resolve, and when the West did nothing but gnash its teeth after Litvinenko's murder, Putin realized our resolve was weak. That was our First Test, in 2006, and like the Allies in 1936, we failed.

Putin's seizure of Crimea in 2014 was like Hitler's seizure of Austria in 1938. Again, we did nothing except make nasty noises, and were proven weak. That was the Second Test, and again, like the Allies in 1938, we failed.

After that, there was a deviation from the script. After having met no real obstacles in Crimea or Donbass, Putin expected another cakewalk invading the main body of Ukraine in 2022. If anything, I suspect that he might have expected a new Munich Accord -- that Ukraine's allies would try to avoid the risk of war, and would force Ukraine into negotiating a humiliating peace with Russia just to keep the sleeping dogs quiet. Luckily, I think there are enough people in the west who have studied Hitler's war and saw the parallels in time to stop this. If we hadn't sprung into action and tried to hold the line in Kiev, we would now be seeing Russian tanks rolling back into Poznan, Prague, Budapest, Ploesti, and all the rest.

The Allies in 1939 waited until the Fourth Test to start to find a spine. Luckily, the NATO of today has woken up during the Third Test. That might make all the difference in the world. We might still break Putin without a World War.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby jimboston on Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:20 pm

I am interested in the truth of this pipeline article.
It was written by a real journalist so there is reason to respect the possibility it’s true.

If true it’s not super surprising… the US Gov’t wants the Russian sanctions no wants to punish Russia economically… and it’s not outside the realm of possibility that we would destroy a pipeline to accomplish this goal.

It doesn’t mean Russia was “right”to invade Ukraine.
It just means that we/our gov’t is serious about curtailing Russian expansion.

In some ways Germany should be upset… in other ways Europe (which includes Germany) should be happy we take this Russian threat seriously.

The x-factor is China… what will China take away from this news (if true).
Will they take this as evidence that the US can’t be trusted and and make them more hostile to a friendly relationship?
Will they see this as a smart move by the US and will it make them reconsider their hostile posture?
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:39 am

Dukasaur wrote:It's more complicated than that. We have a responsibility to shoot rabid dogs, even if it's our own fault that they became rabid. Especially if it's our own fault.

Putin's pathology has been described as being the same as Hitler's. Just as the big scar on Hitler's psyche was the collapse of the German Army in 1918 and the Armistice that followed, the big psychological scar that drives Putin was the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and soon afterwards of the Soviet Union itself. Just as Hitler's defining drive was to restore the glory of the German Empire, Putin's defining drive is to restore the glory of the Russian Empire.

Now, if our people weren't perfidious bastards, Hitler might have ended up a statistic, dying lonely and ignored in some homeless shelter or old veterans' club in Vienna or Munich. Putin might have disappeared into the shadows and eventually died, sitting on the front porch of some cheap hovel, drinking and amusing himself by throwing empty vodka bottles at stray cats, maybe torturing some on his lucid days.

But our leaders weren't satisfied with destroying the Soviet Union in 1991, just as they weren't satisfied with crushing Germany in 1918. They had to turn a profit on the deal. There had to be Something In It For Them.

With communism collapsing, Russia could have smoothly been transformed into a social democracy. The factories and mines and other enterprises that the state was divesting itself of could have been shared among their workers with joint-stock arrangements or worker-administered trusts. There could have been a new Golden Age in Russia, but it was not to be. Enter the Western banks, and their backroom deals to distribute all of Russia's wealth to a new generation of corrupt oligarchs. Instead of a new prosperity to cement the transition from communism to socially-responsible capitalism, Russia got a new poverty. Most suffered worse under the rule of the oligarchs than they had suffered under the communists.

Just as the pillage of Germany by the victorious allies created fertile ground for the rise of Hitler, the rape of Russia by the western banks created a new sense of hopelessness and paved the way for the rise of Putin.

It was criminal pillage by our western banks that brought Putin to power, legalized pillage for which no criminal prosecution will ever take place or even be attempted. If there was justice in the world, it would be western bankers being rolled over by Russian tanks and not young Ukrainian men, but there is no justice in the world. The assignation of blame is purely an academic exercise. The survivors don't care who started it, only who was left standing. Nobody cares that Alexander's invasion of Persia was illegal and immoral, or Rome's attacks on Carthage, or Britain's invasion of India, or any of 1000 other empire-building wars. All that matters now is how they ended up.

There's no point crying over spilt milk. It's done, it's an injustice that will never be punished, and all that matters is what we do about it now.

As Churchill documented extensively, WWII did not need to have happened. If the Allies had reacted immediately when Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland, they could have had a cakewalk into Germany. If the Allies had reacted immediately when Hitler took Austria, they would have had Mussolini's assistance instead of letting him embrace Hitler. If the Allies had not forced the Munich Agreement on the Czechs, they would have had the bulk of the German Army tied up on the Czech frontier for months while the Allies mobilized and drove in from the west. Over and over, there were opportunities to stop Hitler which were missed, and by the time the Allies discovered their spine and stood up to him, it was almost too late.

Putin's murder of Alexander Litvinenko and other opponents on British soil was the equivalent of Hitler's remilitarization of the Rhineland. It was a test of western resolve, and when the West did nothing but gnash its teeth after Litvinenko's murder, Putin realized our resolve was weak. That was our First Test, in 2006, and like the Allies in 1936, we failed.

Putin's seizure of Crimea in 2014 was like Hitler's seizure of Austria in 1938. Again, we did nothing except make nasty noises, and were proven weak. That was the Second Test, and again, like the Allies in 1938, we failed.

After that, there was a deviation from the script. After having met no real obstacles in Crimea or Donbass, Putin expected another cakewalk invading the main body of Ukraine in 2022. If anything, I suspect that he might have expected a new Munich Accord -- that Ukraine's allies would try to avoid the risk of war, and would force Ukraine into negotiating a humiliating peace with Russia just to keep the sleeping dogs quiet. Luckily, I think there are enough people in the west who have studied Hitler's war and saw the parallels in time to stop this. If we hadn't sprung into action and tried to hold the line in Kiev, we would now be seeing Russian tanks rolling back into Poznan, Prague, Budapest, Ploesti, and all the rest.

The Allies in 1939 waited until the Fourth Test to start to find a spine. Luckily, the NATO of today has woken up during the Third Test. That might make all the difference in the world. We might still break Putin without a World War.


You're racist. And that's basically it.

I don't generally call people that but you've demonstrated a pattern of pathological and completely unhinged hatred of Russia and Russians, which somehow weirdly couples and intersects with your similar hatred of Palestinians.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:42 am

Top Gun - Europe edition

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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby GaryDenton on Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:01 am

It is really hard to respond to a comment calling a rational argument for opposing Russia and Putin as racist.
Saxi has some twisted reasoning.
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Postby GaryDenton on Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:11 am

I had really respected Seymour Hersh until the last ten years. He now seems to rely on stories from single sources that haven't been collaborated. Too bad.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:14 am

Absolutely brilliant address by Pink Floyd founder Sir Roger Waters -- who has also been at the forefront of opposition to the so-called "State of Israel" -- to the UN Security Council about the US/European proxy war of aggression against the Russian Federation. My favorite moments:

    "The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not unprovked. I condemn the provacateurs in the strongest possible terms."

    "Your wars will destroy the planet that is our home. Along with every other living thing, we will be sacrificed on the altar of two things: profits from the war to line the pockets of the very few, and the hegemonic march of the empire towards unipolar world domination."


The West is trash and is doomed.
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Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:26 am

GaryDenton wrote:I had really respected Seymour Hersh until the last ten years. He now seems to rely on stories from single sources that haven't been collaborated. Too bad.


:lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D>

Two days ago you were chowing down on "Unnamed Official from Unnamed Agency" saying three balloons were tracked during the Trump administration. (And, unlike this, that was completely discredited and walked back.)

You must have whiplash being thrown in such wild directions from day to day, always having to forget yesterday's regime talking points and memorizing today's new talking points, filtering X and absorbing A before having to reverse course and do the opposite. You're like a simple village cobbler in 1972 East Germany. You don't know why Fritz was a hero on Wednesday, an enemy of the state on Thursday, and will be a hero again by Monday. You just accept it.

Gary is who Snowden was talking about ...
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:08 am

GaryDenton wrote:It is really hard to respond to a comment calling a rational argument for opposing Russia and Putin as racist.
Saxi has some twisted reasoning.


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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:59 pm

Hey guys.

Do you remember that time when Ukraine shot a missile into Poland and then claimed it was a Russian missile and NATO must go to immediate war footing, an Unnamed Official (U.S.) screamed "IT'S TRUE!", the Associated Press screamed "IT'S TRUE!", and the Anti-Slav racists here solemnly nodded "time for World War III?" And then Poland said "uhhh --- we checked and it was actually a Ukrainian missile."

You guys remember that?

When the Ukrainians played your systemic Anti-Slav bias to get you to agree to nuclear war?

The Ukes tried it again, this time with Romania. They're going to keep going through the rolodex of countries until they find one who won't publicly debunk them. And that'll be all they need to get you all ginned up into a frothing-at-the-mouth war hysteria, vowing to send someone else to battle for the glory of the Raytheon and Lockheed shareholders and Kiev Oligarch Voldo the Fat.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/worl ... raine.html
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Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:48 pm

Great news! Elon Musk has ordered Starlink to block use of the satellite system by the Ukrainian military.

SpaceX has limited Ukraine's ability to use its satellite internet service for military purposes - after reports that Kyiv has used it to control drones.

At an event in Washington DC on Wednesday, SpaceX president Gwynne Shotwell explained that Starlink technology was "never meant to be weaponised".

She made reference to Ukraine's alleged use of Starlink to control drones, and stressed that the equipment had been provided for humanitarian use.

Unmanned aircraft have played an important role in the war, having been used by Kyiv to search out Russian troops, drop bombs and counter Moscow's own drone attacks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64579267


Not everyone is cool with helping Kiev Oligarch Voldo the Fat start a nuclear holocaust, I guess.
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Postby GaryDenton on Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:38 am

A simple lie from Saxi :
Two days ago you were chowing down on "Unnamed Official from Unnamed Agency" saying three balloons were tracked during the Trump administration. (And, unlike this, that was completely discredited and walked back.)

It was multiple people giving briefings.
Walked back?! Maybe if you listen to talk radio or Fox News or worse. It was three balloons during the Trump administration - a fact. All kinds of spin on that but that is the fact.
It probably started with talk radio after the repeal of the equal time rules and conservative millionaires found that was good money to be made rilling up lowly-educated people with misrepresentations and lies but arguments from conservatives now are usually just their smears, misrepresentations, and lies as they copy what they are exposed to.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:46 am

GaryDenton wrote:A simple lie from Saxi :
Two days ago you were chowing down on "Unnamed Official from Unnamed Agency" saying three balloons were tracked during the Trump administration. (And, unlike this, that was completely discredited and walked back.)


Walked back?! Maybe if you listen to talk radio or Fox News or worse. It was three balloons during the Trump administration - a fact.


Oh Gary. The Democrat conspiracy theory that three balloons were tracked by Trump and he did nothing about it has already been debunked but he's still clinging to it. He read it in an all caps Facebook post from the conspiracy theory sites he frequents like The Palmer Report, Occupy Democrats, The Raw Story, etc.

Gary is now opining that ABC News and the New York Times (!) are anti- Biden regime propaganda concealing the truth of Biden's greatness. :lol: This guy!

    Previous Chinese surveillance balloon incidents that occurred during the Trump administration and early under the Biden administration were not spotted by NORAD at the time, Air Force Gen. Glen VanHerck, commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, told reporters Monday.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chinese ... d=96925646

    The top military commander overseeing North American airspace said Monday that some previous incursions by Chinese spy balloons during the Trump administration were not detected in real time, and the Pentagon learned of them only later.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/us/p ... ation.html
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby GaryDenton on Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:53 am

Saxi wrote:
Do you remember that time when Ukraine shot a missile into Poland and then claimed it was a Russian missile and NATO must go to immediate war footing, an Unnamed Official (U.S.) screamed "IT'S TRUE!", the Associated Press screamed "IT'S TRUE!", and the Anti-Slav racists here solemnly nodded "time for World War III?" And then Poland said "uhhh --- we checked and it was actually a Ukrainian missile."

You guys remember that?

When the Ukrainians played your systemic Anti-Slav bias to get you to agree to nuclear war?


That is a distorted history - what freaks do you watch, read, or listen to?

That has a slight resemblance to reality, like an account by a hysterical anti-Ukraine ninny trying to rile people up and count on them to not have good news sources, good reasoning ability, and much education.
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Re: Ukraine sets new record for surviving blitzkrieg!

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:17 am

GaryDenton wrote:Saxi wrote:
Do you remember that time when Ukraine shot a missile into Poland and then claimed it was a Russian missile and NATO must go to immediate war footing, an Unnamed Official (U.S.) screamed "IT'S TRUE!", the Associated Press screamed "IT'S TRUE!", and the Anti-Slav racists here solemnly nodded "time for World War III?" And then Poland said "uhhh --- we checked and it was actually a Ukrainian missile."

You guys remember that?

When the Ukrainians played your systemic Anti-Slav bias to get you to agree to nuclear war?


That is a distorted history - what freaks do you watch, read, or listen to?

That has a slight resemblance to reality, like an account by a hysterical anti-Ukraine ninny trying to rile people up and count on them to not have good news sources, good reasoning ability, and much education.


Ummm ... actually, the AP had to fire James LaPorta over this. I know you probably don't know that, and you probably have never heard the name James LaPorta before now, and I know you don't track current events closely and rely on all caps Facebook posts, but you'd look a little less foolish if you actually made some semblance of attempt to provide sources instead of your MO of drive-by screaming "Lies! Lies! All lies!"

Here's the replay of this fumbled Gulf of Tonkin attempt in all its glory from the ginned-up hysteria of the war wagon rolling, until the wheels on this nonsense started to come off a few days later ending in its final, fiery crash ...

    ACT I: PBS - November 15, 2022
    Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy decried the missile strike as “a very significant escalation” of his country’s war with Russia. Zelenskyy’s comments, delivered in an evening address to the nation, came hours after a senior U.S. intelligence official told The Associated Press that Russian missiles had crossed into Polish territory and killed two people. If confirmed, the strike would mark the first time in the war that Russian weapons came down on a NATO country.
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pola ... -killing-2

    ACT II: Washington Post - November 16, 2022
    On Tuesday, Russia’s war with Ukraine appeared to have spilled over into Poland. According to a U.S. official, missiles from an attack against Ukraine’s power grid hit Przewodow, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine. Two people reportedly died. Other missiles cut electricity to much of Moldova.

    Poland’s NATO allies have been quick to condemn Russia’s attacks on Ukraine and to blame the country for the explosion. Latvia’s deputy prime minister castigated the “criminal Russian regime” for firing missiles “that landed on NATO territory in Poland.” The Estonian foreign minister promised to defend “every inch of NATO territory.” Pentagon press secretary Patrick Ryder agreed, saying that the United States has “been crystal clear that we will defend every inch of NATO territory.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... article-v/

    ACT III: The Telegraph - November 17, 2022
    Volodymyr Zelensky has "no doubt" that a missile which landed in Poland and killed two people was fired by Russia. Speaking to reporters, Mr Zelensky said: "I have no doubt that this is not our missile. I believe that this was a Russian missile, based on our military reports."
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... przewodow/

    EPILOGUE: NPR - November 21, 2022
    An investigation began into a missile that landed on Tuesday in Poland, killing two Polish men. Polish and NATO leaders said Wednesday that the strike appeared accidental and was likely an air defense missile from Ukraine, not a Russian attack.
    https://www.npr.org/2022/11/21/11381536 ... nth-nov-21
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