Dukasaur wrote:The five dressups in Charlottesville were a deliberate demonstration, acknowledged as such. They were not attempting to conceal their origin.
Wrong.
They concealed their origin. They only acknowledged it 24 hours later, after a Virginia TV station was able to match the fact of one of those who participated to her LinkedIn profile and after multiple media outlets falsely reported that "Neo-Nazis" were "supporting Glen Youngkin."
Only once one of the participants was connected to the Lincoln Project by a journalist did the Lincoln Project acknowledge it was them and then claim that they planned to admit it all along. (AKA "damage control")
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
BTW, the Lincoln Project is the pro-Kamala Harris Group whose founder - John Weaver - had to resign from its board after it was discovered he was grooming young boys for anal sex and was on the payroll of Rosatom, the Russian state energy corporation.
Great to hear people racing to their defense: <somber><serious>"we must give them the benefit of the doubt." </somber></serious>
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:No surprise residents of a country whose past leaders include Josef Goebbels, Kurt Waldheim, and Adolf Hitler might choose the Karl Rove-endorsed candidate, though ...
Now watch the magats denouncing the nazis in their party.
Your extreme Austrian trauma-damage, even if it is sincere, really has no place in American politics. For in truth, you are nothing but a foreign agitator with only the most dubious of motives and biases.
Your spastic denials would be more effective among people who had no a priori knowledge of the subject matter.
But some of us have met Trumpists in real life. Whenever I meet a Trumpist in real life, I always try to ask "WHY?" are they supporting him.
75 or 80% of the time the answer is something like:
"Because he's going to get the ragheads out of the country!"
"Because he's going to kick the shit out of the wetbacks!"
"Because he's putting the fairies on a boat!"
Or one of my personal favourites, "Because he's sending the Pakis back to Africa!" [Note the high intellectual attainment of the MAGAt, who doesn't even know what continent Pakistan is on.]
I do NOT claim it's ALL Trumpists. I do know some who are not xenophobes and has have economic arguments in favour of tariffs or something similar. I'd say probably 20%, maybe even 25%, are motivated by something other than xenophobia. But a clear majority are just kneejerking "Get the ____ out of ____!" haters.
So you can twist and turn and show me shiny objects, but bottom line you are not going to persuade me that Trumpism isn't, by and large, about hatred of others.
“Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.” ― Voltaire
Dukasaur wrote:"Because he's going to get the ragheads out of the country!"
Given a choice between a candidate with some supporters who are racist against Arabs, or a candidate who is literally greenlighting supplies to send to a holocaust in which Arab children are being burned alive and having their limbs explosively detached from their bodies on the reg, I'll go with the former every time.
But that's just me.
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
Dukasaur wrote:Your spastic denials would be more effective among people who had no a priori knowledge of the subject matter.
But some of us have met Trumpists in real life. Whenever I meet a Trumpist in real life, I always try to ask "WHY?" are they supporting him.
75 or 80% of the time the answer is something like:
"Because he's going to get the ragheads out of the country!"
"Because he's going to kick the shit out of the wetbacks!"
"Because he's putting the fairies on a boat!"
Or one of my personal favourites, "Because he's sending the Pakis back to Africa!" [Note the high intellectual attainment of the MAGAt, who doesn't even know what continent Pakistan is on.]
I do NOT claim it's ALL Trumpists. I do know some who are not xenophobes and has have economic arguments in favour of tariffs or something similar. I'd say probably 20%, maybe even 25%, are motivated by something other than xenophobia. But a clear majority are just kneejerking "Get the ____ out of ____!" haters.
So you can twist and turn and show me shiny objects, but bottom line you are not going to persuade me that Trumpism isn't, by and large, about hatred of others.
Kamala doesn't want Guatamalans coming over. (Of course, her efforts are insufficient, but she does say that).
Koreans don't want the Koreans coming over (I'm not sure if dog-eating is an issue in this case or not, but it is cultural over there too.)
Hmm, I never noticed before how Korean explosion clouds are such beautiful and varied shades of purple...
...and it looks like hokey ol' Robert Frost got it dead-wrong. All over the world, there is indeed something that does love a wall.
As for you, Duk, you've become one of the least walk-it-like-you-talk-it posters on the political threads. If you don't really support open borders, then stop labeling immigration and similar control methods as xenophobia.
People must get proper permissions before going to other places, ...and yes those permisssions can also be revoked.
Votanic wrote:As for you, Duk, you've become one of the least walk-it-like-you-talk-it posters on the political threads. If you don't really support open borders, then stop labeling immigration and similar control methods as xenophobia.
You can make a futile attempt to reframe it as an immigration issue, but that's nonsense.
Haters don't ask to see someone's passport. They hate instantly, on sight, anyone who doesn't fit the profile of potentially being their sibling or first cousin.
They will hate the Oriental who fell off the boat yesterday with no greater fervour than the Oriental who is a 7th-generation descendant of loyal citizens who first arrived 150 years ago.
Citizenship and/or immigration status are red herrings, which can be used as after-the-fact excuses and faux justifications for a hate that was conceived in a split second with no evidence other than facial features.
“Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.” ― Voltaire
this is truly the Testosterone vs the Estrogen election
- on one side you have alphas, chads, latin kings, and tough girls (Tulsi Gabbard, Riley Gains, etc.) - on the other side you have beta cucks, soy boys, boomers, trannies, and soccer moms
Both groups have their strengths. It's gonna be a close one.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
PITTSBURGH STEELERS LEGENDS ENDORSE TRUMP IN PITTSBURGH
Former Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown -- the greatest WR of the 2000s -- just pledged his loyalty to Donald Trump on-stage at a party mass rally in Pennsylvania!
Antonio was joined by Le'Veon Bell -- legendary Pittsburgh Steelers running back -- who didn't speak but made it clear for whom he's voting with a "TRUMP OR THE TRAMP" shirt!!!
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
One of only four humans on Earth who have ever set foot on the Moon just endorsed DONALD TRUMP!
Gen. Dr. Buzz Aldrin, Legion of Merit:
A half-Century ago, it was an honor to serve my country in the effort to put a human being on the Moon. I am proud of what we accomplished then and I have dedicated my life to the pursuit of an enduring human presence in space – it is a calling that runs through every fiber of my being.
Over time, I have seen our government’s approach to space wax and wane. But under the first Trump Administration, I was impressed to see how human space exploration was elevated as a policy of high importance again. Under President Trump’s first term, America saw a revitalized interest in Space, and his Administration reignited national efforts to get back to the Moon, and push on to Mars. The Trump Administration also reinstituted the National Space Council, and our Nation’s defense was enhanced with the creation of the U.S. Space Force – increasingly important as space becomes a contested domain. At the same time, I have been enthused and excited by the great advancements in the private sector space economy, led by visionaries like @elonmusk . These are concrete accomplishments that align with my concerns and America’s policy priorities.
America is facing serious and difficult challenges both at home and abroad. The Presidency requires clarity in judgement, decisiveness, and calm under pressure that few have a natural ability to manage, or the life experience to successfully undertake. It is a job where decisions are made that routinely involve American lives – some urgently but not without thought. The job requires sober analysis of frightening scenarios, and the instinct to lead with resolve. From the skies over Korea in air-to-air combat to navigating, landing, and walking on the Moon, I appreciate this kind of pressure. I know what it is like to have to make these kinds of decisions, with firmness and follow-through.
In this election, we have a choice and we all have one vote. For some, the choice may not be easy – but in times of uncertainty real leaders are most needed – to guide and inspire a people, to push through the noise, recognize what really matters, and accomplish missions critical to all citizens. Most Americans rightly consider it an honor to cast their vote for a leader they believe will best serve the nation. For me, for the future of our country, to meet enormous challenges, and for the proven policy accomplishments above, I believe we are best served by voting for @realDonaldTrump. I wholeheartedly endorse him for President of the United States. Godspeed President Trump, and God Bless the United States of America.
saxitoxin wrote:One of only four humans on Earth who have ever set foot on the Moon just endorsed DONALD TRUMP!
Gen. Dr. Buzz Aldrin, Legion of Merit:
A half-Century ago, it was an honor to serve my country in the effort to put a human being on the Moon. I am proud of what we accomplished then and I have dedicated my life to the pursuit of an enduring human presence in space – it is a calling that runs through every fiber of my being.
Over time, I have seen our government’s approach to space wax and wane. But under the first Trump Administration, I was impressed to see how human space exploration was elevated as a policy of high importance again. Under President Trump’s first term, America saw a revitalized interest in Space, and his Administration reignited national efforts to get back to the Moon, and push on to Mars. The Trump Administration also reinstituted the National Space Council, and our Nation’s defense was enhanced with the creation of the U.S. Space Force – increasingly important as space becomes a contested domain. At the same time, I have been enthused and excited by the great advancements in the private sector space economy, led by visionaries like @elonmusk . These are concrete accomplishments that align with my concerns and America’s policy priorities.
America is facing serious and difficult challenges both at home and abroad. The Presidency requires clarity in judgement, decisiveness, and calm under pressure that few have a natural ability to manage, or the life experience to successfully undertake. It is a job where decisions are made that routinely involve American lives – some urgently but not without thought. The job requires sober analysis of frightening scenarios, and the instinct to lead with resolve. From the skies over Korea in air-to-air combat to navigating, landing, and walking on the Moon, I appreciate this kind of pressure. I know what it is like to have to make these kinds of decisions, with firmness and follow-through.
In this election, we have a choice and we all have one vote. For some, the choice may not be easy – but in times of uncertainty real leaders are most needed – to guide and inspire a people, to push through the noise, recognize what really matters, and accomplish missions critical to all citizens. Most Americans rightly consider it an honor to cast their vote for a leader they believe will best serve the nation. For me, for the future of our country, to meet enormous challenges, and for the proven policy accomplishments above, I believe we are best served by voting for @realDonaldTrump. I wholeheartedly endorse him for President of the United States. Godspeed President Trump, and God Bless the United States of America.
...and now we know, the ungreatest guy like posting cartoons. That way he can imagine he's eloquent and insightful, ...while still maintaining his Beevis & Butthead core identity.
