The Big Bad Homosexuality and Gay Marriage FAQ

[supercram]

I'll post more later......

please don't.

[vtmarik]

Anal intercourse has no medical support? Then why does stimulation of the prostate trigger sexual arousal?

To rephrase: If it's so bad, why does it feel so good?

Anyone can tell you that the body's pain response is there so you will stop doing whatever it is that is causing pain. Conversely, if the body finds it pleasurable that is the body's way of telling you to keep doing it (which is why food and various other necessities of life trigger the pleasure response).

Human beings are one of the few species on this earth that have sex for pleasure rather than simply reproduction. If it didn't feel good, would anyone have anal sex?

[2dimes]

Anal intercourse has no medical support? Then why does stimulation of the prostate trigger sexual arousal?

To rephrase: If it's so bad, why does it feel so good?

Anyone can tell you that the body's pain response is there so you will stop doing whatever it is that is causing pain. Conversely, if the body finds it pleasurable that is the body's way of telling you to keep doing it (which is why food and various other necessities of life trigger the pleasure response).

Human beings are one of the few species on this earth that have sex for pleasure rather than simply reproduction. If it didn't feel good, would anyone have anal sex?

Pain does feel good to some.

I say if the goat doesn't mind then everyone's happy.

[jay_a2j]

To rephrase: If it's so bad, why does it feel so good?

Come on a pedophile could say the same thing.

[vtmarik]

Come on a pedophile could say the same thing.

Point taken, but allow me to rebut.

Pedophilia is a crime, and it's a psychological disorder. It is a behavior set, not an action. Generally, a pedophile molests children not for the sexual release, but for reasons of power.

[heavycola]

Jay - you are a sinner. Agreed?

You say homosexuality is an abomination. agreed?

In Leviticus it states that man lying with man is bad. Agreed?

In leviticus it also states that wearing different threads or cutting your hair is a sin. Agreed?

So:

Who the hell are you to decide that one is punishable by hell and damnation and the other two aren't? the bible gives no more weight to one or the other. What gives you the right to decide which bits to pick up on? Are people with short hair equally sinful? How long is yours?

[mandalorian2298]

Jay - you are a sinner. Agreed?

You say homosexuality is an abomination. agreed?

In Leviticus it states that man lying with man is bad. Agreed?

In leviticus it also states that wearing different threads or cutting your hair is a sin. Agreed?

So:

Who the hell are you to decide that one is punishable by hell and damnation and the other two aren't? the bible gives no more weight to one or the other. What gives you the right to decide which bits to pick up on? Are people with short hair equally sinful? How long is yours?

C'mon heavycola , don't you know that bad logics hurt jay's brain?

[jay_a2j]

Jay - you are a sinner. Agreed?

You say homosexuality is an abomination. agreed?

In Leviticus it states that man lying with man is bad. Agreed?

In leviticus it also states that wearing different threads or cutting your hair is a sin. Agreed?

So:

Who the hell are you to decide that one is punishable by hell and damnation and the other two aren't? the bible gives no more weight to one or the other. What gives you the right to decide which bits to pick up on? Are people with short hair equally sinful? How long is yours?

Jesus came and fulfilled the covenant. (In the OT it was eye for an eye, NT turn the other cheek) I don't decide anything, God does. Sin is sin. Any sin is punishable by separation from God (hell). Homosexuality or giving your professor the bird. Either will condemn a person to an eternity apart from God. (This is why we need Jesus to remove our sin, He paid the price for us)

[2dimes]

Heavy I don't have issue with you using Leviticus if you wish to get curcumsised and live under those laws but I think the punishments for each trasgression is specified in there.

I'm fairly sure having sex with a mother and daughter have a different penalty from wearing a polyester blend etc.

[Spuzzell]

Heavy I don't have issue with you using Leviticus if you wish to get curcumsised and live under those laws but I think the punishments for each trasgression is specified in there.

I'm fairly sure having sex with a mother and daughter have a different penalty from wearing a polyester blend etc.

Yeah, it's specified.

Its death, for example, to have sex with another man's wife. But if you rape a virgin, you only have to pay her father 50 shekels of silver, and you also get to marry the girl. Huzzah!

Leviticus = total and utter shit. Misogynistic, out-dated and basically insane even back then.

Anyone trying to back up an argument with Leviticus is an absolute fool.

[Backglass]

I'm fairly sure having sex with a mother and daughter have a different penalty from wearing a polyester blend etc.

How can you be so sure? So, there are degrees of sin in this wonderful book? Isnt it cut and dried...sin=hell...no matter the sin? Sure it is, but people alter them to fit the society we now live in. "That hair thing? Oh they didnt really mean that. But the homo part, THATS real!!!" Yet another reason why I think the whole thing is a crock.

Case in point: Remember when en-vitro fertilization (test tube babies) was an "abomination", "going against gods will", "playing god", "anti god" and all the other silly sh*t that was said?

Today...it's a common prodedure for infertile couples, even the devoutly religious. Some even call it a "miracle".

[Sammy gags]

personaly, i couldnt give a f*ck if gay ppl could get married

[stinkycheese]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1737792

[Syzygy]

Bob and Jack are gay.

So what? Who cares.

People should be more tolerant. So what if the Bible preaches that it is evil and an unholy abomination?

[Jesse, Bad Boy]

After going through this thread, it's funny how all of my points were dodged by those that disagree and it led to the nuances of sin, totally skipping over that god may not exist at all.

[cowshrptrn]

In a nut shell. Homosexuality is a sin. As is getting drunk, swearing/cursing, stealing, lying and so on. God loves all people. He hates sin. Its kind of like your teenager takes your car and totals it. You might be mad about your car, but you still love him/her. Christians are called to hate sin. I do not judge the person but the sin. I do not go around bashing gays. I treat them like any other person I might run in to. This thread brought up the subject and I could hardly sit by and let someone defend sin without bringing to their attention that God Himself disagrees with their view.

Jay, how can you say this, yet still support Bush, he's gotten drunk, he's cursed, he's stole (white collar crime is still stealing). You're arguments are inherently hypocritical. You apply these standards to people you agree with, but when you find someone who can be victimized to further your own position you blast them with sinning

[2dimes]

I'm fairly sure having sex with a mother and daughter have a different penalty from wearing a polyester blend etc.

How can you be so sure? So, there are degrees of sin in this wonderful book?

Isnt it cut and dried...sin=hell...no matter the sin?

Yet another reason why I think the whole thing is a crock.

Case in point: Remember when en-vitro fertilization (test tube babies) was an "abomination", "going against gods will", "playing god", "anti god" and all the other silly sh*t that was said?

Today...it's a common prodedure for infertile couples, even the devoutly religious. Some even call it a "miracle".

I can be so sure because I can read it.

You are mixing up religion and iterpretations with what's actually written in the thing.

If any of you do these vulgar, disgusting things, you will be unclean and no longer belong to my people. I am the LORD your God, and I forbid you to follow their sickening way of life.

Personally I'm not into the blind faith of listening to what others say is written in the bible regardless of what they're ideas are.

[Freetymes]

If it didn't feel good, would anyone have anal sex?

Many things that are detrimental to your health still feel good. This has nothing to do with my point.

[stinkycheese]

After going through this thread, it's funny how all of my points were dodged by those that disagree and it led to the nuances of sin, totally skipping over that god may not exist at all.

I don't think you understand Christians like Jay. They accept god as fact and their statements show that. He will make proclamations that already imply that god is fact. It is a waste of your time to attempt to argue with him because all of his posts are dripping with logical fallacies. You'd be better off arguing with someone a bit more sane, perhaps.

[2dimes]

If it didn't feel good, would anyone have anal sex?

Many things that are detrimental to your health still feel good. This has nothing to do with my point.

Totally agree Free.


It would probably feel pretty good to eat Bacon pizza, doughnuts and soft drinks for the first 15 years.

[2dimes]

Yes, this is a wall of text.

Homosexuality a choice.

There is virtually no compelling reason to believe homosexuality is a choice and plenty to suggest it isn't. Firstly, it is absurd to begin with. No homosexual wakes in the morning and decides today it might be nice to prefer the same gender instead. People using this argument; do you genuinely believe you could voluntarily and in full knowledge engage in sexual relations with the same gender? No? Then it's not a choice.

Also, there is increasing biological evidence to say otherwise. For example, a recent study showed that an increasing number of biological brothers increased the chance of the next male being homosexual. Why this points to biological factors is because the brothers had to be biological; it did not matter if the male had unrelated brothers that lived with them or if they biological brothers lived with them or not.

One thing that must be clarified, as it causes a lot of confusion here, is what is a choice and what isn't. The attraction is almost certainly not a choice; the choice to act on them is. However, there is no rational reason not to act on it with another consenting adult and plenty of reasons to do so.

Also, like the natural/unnatural argument, it's highly irrelevant for the choice to determine whether homosexuality is wrong. Even if it was a choice, it is a choice made by an individual that is their own business and is a consensual act between two adults. It being a choice, even if it were true, is not a good argument for the restriction of rights to homosexuals; denying rights based on this would make it equally valid to deny rights to heterosexuals.

Ok I'll play. Yes of course it's something they are born to do.

Just like I was born cheat on my wife with bimbos that are only physically attractive.

Lets face it hetero-guys Women are only good for one thing.

There used to be two but they don't cook anymore.

We were born to just bang them and not phone them again.

I just wish society would see the truth so we can return to using women as sex objects.

Most gay guys understand that sex ends with marriage and don't want to be married.

I think legal gay marriage should quite obviously be a given in our society so they can get a dental plan for their partners DUH!

Pushing it on Jays church is equally wrong as it not existing.

If a church wants to play "liberal we'll accept anything" then fine they should also be allowed to have gay marriage but to force it destroys the point of and removes the "freedom" from freedom of religion.

[mandalorian2298]

Jay - you are a sinner. Agreed?

You say homosexuality is an abomination. agreed?

In Leviticus it states that man lying with man is bad. Agreed?

In leviticus it also states that wearing different threads or cutting your hair is a sin. Agreed?

So:

Who the hell are you to decide that one is punishable by hell and damnation and the other two aren't? the bible gives no more weight to one or the other. What gives you the right to decide which bits to pick up on? Are people with short hair equally sinful? How long is yours?

Jesus came and fulfilled the covenant. (In the OT it was eye for an eye, NT turn the other cheek) I don't decide anything, God does. Sin is sin. Any sin is punishable by separation from God (hell). Homosexuality or giving your professor the bird. Either will condemn a person to an eternity apart from God. (This is why we need Jesus to remove our sin, He paid the price for us)

Sorry for usin logic (wich is probably a sin too, since you seem to be avoiding it at all cost ) but if Jesus can remove the sin of wearing polyester or fliping the bird, then he can obvously remove it from the act of homosexualism. And, speaking of NT, I can hardly belive that Jesus would turn his back on any kind of love .

[jay_a2j]

Sorry for usin logic (wich is probably a sin too, since you seem to be avoiding it at all cost ) but if Jesus can remove the sin of wearing polyester or fliping the bird, then he can obvously remove it from the act of homosexualism. And, speaking of NT, I can hardly belive that Jesus would turn his back on any kind of love .

Jesus can forgive homosexuality. But the person must repent (or turn away from) that behavior. Homosexuality is not love.... its lust. Just as He can forgive pedophilia or rape or murder (but a person who truly repents will not do these things anymore).

[s.xkitten]

okay, so other then the religious reason...what legal reason do we have to ban gay marraige? i can understand religions not recognizing their marriage as true, but what legal right does the government have to deny them the opportunity to get married?

[vtmarik]

Many things that are detrimental to your health still feel good. This has nothing to do with my point.

Does breaking your leg feel good? Does shoving a spike into your chest feel good? Does ripping out an organ with a rusty pair of tongs feel good?

If one uses lubricant, and takes precautions not to tear or injure the tissue, then any negative effect is negligible.

Totally agree Free.


It would probably feel pretty good to eat Bacon pizza, doughnuts and soft drinks for the first 15 years.

If you exercise enough to work out those calories, it doesn't really matter.

Jesus can forgive homosexuality. But the person must repent (or turn away from) that behavior. Homosexuality is not love.... its lust. Just as He can forgive pedophilia or rape or murder (but a person who truly repents will not do these things anymore).

Homosexuality isn't love, but love is love.

Repetitive? Let me rephrase, homosexuality is the attraction to members of your same gender. However, the love felt between two people is separate from that. If two men love each other, then they love each other regardless of their lust for each other.

Heterosexuals lust for each other, but their love isn't any more real than love between homosexuals.