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Stopper wrote:LOL, I did wonder if you'd be the first to respond, Ambrose - only, I didn't expect it so quickly and succinctly!
Are you saying you're against the possibility that the Catholics might advocate that condom use might be a good idea? If so, I've never understood that - I understand the argument for not allowing protected sex - in a nutshell, all that sacred sperm will die - but given the reality that lots of people do have sex with each other, and that there is a massive AIDS epidemic in Africa, wouldn't it save more lives to give out the free condoms?
vtmarik wrote:Yes, but in the absence of the will to be abstinent, shouldn't condoms be available as a backup?
There are some groups in Africa who believe you can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin, how about we give these guys some condoms eh?
OnlyAmbrose wrote:Not in Catholic doctrine, no. The absence of the will to be abstinent is a sin. Condoms are "available" whether the Church says so or not- whether the Church endorses their use is the issue here. If you have no will to abstain, you're probably not a (practicing) Catholic.
vtmarik wrote:OnlyAmbrose wrote:Not in Catholic doctrine, no. The absence of the will to be abstinent is a sin. Condoms are "available" whether the Church says so or not- whether the Church endorses their use is the issue here. If you have no will to abstain, you're probably not a (practicing) Catholic.
Well, Africa isn't known for its Catholicism. But if the Pope is suggesting condom use, doesn't that change the doctrine?
vtmarik wrote:I hope he does lift the ban on it, considering that it's the new millennium and we can't stick to moral codes from the 1st-4th century forever.
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
OnlyAmbrose wrote:The "infallibility" of the Pope isn't an issue I can claim to be an expert on. In light of this news, I plan to acquaint myself with it over the next few weeks.
Contraception wasn't even an issue int he 1st-4th century. People wanted as many kids as they could get up until the mid 1800s. This discovery of rubber helped the sexual revolution along.
In any case, I think this is a timeless issue regardless. A husband's love for his wife shouldn't be warped by the ages. And again, I doubt you'd understand why I feel this issue is so tightly wrapped in with the sanctity of matrimony, so I'm not even going to bother- I could present one heck of a case on this topic to other Christians though.
vtmarik wrote:Don't you dare patronize me, and f*ck you. If matrimony was truly sanctified, judges wouldn't be able to marry people. There's an extreme difference between the love between man and wife being warped and the usage of condoms to prevent the spread of disease. Then again, you probably aren't equipped to understand that, so I won't bother to explain.
vtmarik wrote:Exactly, so why is it an issue now? Surely, if it were truly a concern of the Lord, it would be in the Holy Book. And since you seem so anti-rubber, perhaps tires are also the work of the Devil.
OnlyAmbrose wrote:I hardly think I gave the implication that rubber is evil. I was stating a fact- the discovery of rubber in the early 19th/late 18th century greatly accelerated the sexual revolution. No need to get testy
And it's an issue now because, unlike back then, it is more economically beneficial to have LESS children, since most of them actually survive past childhood. It's a concern of the Lord because, as I said before, sex is sacred. THAT is quite clear in the Bible, particularly in the case of Onan, and others.
In any event, I apologize if my last post made you angry in its tone. Though i am trying to keep a level head, this is a topic I'm known to be over-passionate about.
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
salvadevinemasse wrote:Hey Hey Boys...
You forgot to mention the latex lingerie!! Whats wrong with your minds think about the wonderful world of possibilitys people!!!!!!!!!!!
Latex does: balloons, clothes, gloves as VTMarik mentioned, rubber bands, pacifiers, condoms which is the most obvious of all!
I could go on longer however I wont do that and bore you guys.
Look at all the possibilitys though not just 1 or two!
Salva-
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
salvadevinemasse wrote:"salvadevinemasse, don't you know how to use the quote function?"
yes, yes I do.. however why use it when I'm perfectly capable of copy and paste and I like my system better? But thank you for asking!
salva
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
cawck mongler wrote:Your only option is to quit and become an anti-American Nazi that plays risk.
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