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Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby jimboston on Fri Apr 04, 2025 10:30 am

Just got back from a mini vacation, and one stop was a visit to historic Fort Sumter.

Though some of the talk and artifacts were interesting, I was not very impressed by the fort itself. Most of it was blasted to smithereens at the end of the Civil War. Then in later wars they threw an ugly black cement & steel building right in the middle of it so they could put some giant guns facing out towards the ocean. Those giant guns are gone, but the ugly building still stands.

I did not know the island was man made. That was interesting.

I was designed for coastal protection… and though it was a pivotal flash point to start the Civil War, it never really did much else. Its location was probably good for intended use… but was never really needed in later wars.

The one thing I was MOST curious to see/hear… was how they addressed the issue of slavery and how they addressed the cause(s) of the Civil War. As anyone with a brain knows, the only real cause of the war was the issue of slavery. With later revisionist and apologist types trying to make the Southerners feel better by giving other “reasons” like “States Rights”. It’s too funny because apologists now pretend the Southerners cared about “States Rights”… but they always forget that the South was against Norther states having the “Right” to refuse to track ex-slaves and refuse to enforce the Fugitive Slave Laws.

Anyway.. I was happy to see/hear that the literature and tours were all clear with Slavery being the absolute PRIMARY cause of the war. I glad to see that our Gov’t (The National Park Service) is getting things correct and they protect true and accurate history.

From the flyer/map provide with the tour…
“The critical significance of this election was expressed in South Carolina’s Declaration of the Immediate Causes [of] Secession… The Declaration claimed secession was justified because the Federal Government had violated the Constitutional Compact… As the primary violation, the Declaration listed the failure of the 14 northern states to enforce the Federal Fugitive Slave Act or to restrict the actions of antislavery organizations.”
“The South Carolina Declaration shows how national arguments related to state sovereignty arose from questions about the nature and expansion of slavery.”

i.e. debates about “States Rights” are BS and only exist(ed) because the South wanted to protect slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Car ... _Secession
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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby KoolBak on Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:41 pm

Cool.

We just spent the weekend at Astoria, where the Columbia River hits the Pacific. That congruence is named The Graveyard of the Pacific for how many ships have gone down in the last couple hundred years. Can be terrifying

Anyhow, we like to stay at Fort Columbia where they had a gun emplacement to guard the river mouth (miles wide). Awesome place....

https://parks.wa.gov/find-parks/state-p ... state-park
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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Apr 04, 2025 8:36 pm

When I was in the south of France many years ago, I visited a few of Napoleon's coastal fortresses. Not a fan of Napoleon as such, but he did commission some cool gun emplacements!
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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:34 pm

Good review - I'm going to add Fort Sumter to my To Do list.

IIRC there was a Federal Navy flotilla that tried to relieve Fort Sumter but it was forced to turn around after the cadets of The Citadel opened fire on it from The Citadel's guns. That incident was later used for inspiration for the fictional scene in John Wayne's The Horse Soldiers where John Wayne is attacked by cadets of a local military academy.

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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Apr 05, 2025 2:36 am

During the US Civil War, Cadets (called locally the KEY-Dets) from VMI march North to engage the invading Yankees.

Cadets famously were called to fight in the Battle of New Market, contributing to the Confederate victory on May 15, 1864.

https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/virginia-military-institute-during-the-civil-war/

VMI cadets, including a corps of 257, famously fought in the Battle of New Market on May 15, 1864, contributing to a Confederate victory and are remembered for their bravery, with 10 cadets killed or dying later of wounds.
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On May 10, 1864, the Virginia Military Institute (VMI) Corps of Cadets were ordered to join General John C. Breckinridge's Confederate forces near Staunton, Virginia. After marching nearly 85 miles northward, the Corps arrived at New Market, Virginia on Sunday morning, May 15, 1864.

https://libguides.vmi.edu/archives-research-guides/New-Market

My wife and I visited nearby (to the New Market battlefield) but after a long day at Luray Caverns, and a decent steak dinner, we decided NOT to travel that far that evening. The threat of a thunder storm that evening was a factor too, if my memory is correct on that detail.

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2477218/ 2015 film
A group of teenage cadets sheltered from war at the Virginia Military Institute must confront the horrors of an adult world when they are called upon to defend the Shenandoah Valley.
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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby KoolBak on Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:06 am

What is this, an East Coast Only fan club?

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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Apr 05, 2025 1:16 pm

My wife and I visited nearby (to the New Market battlefield) but after a long day at Luray Caverns, and a decent steak dinner, we decided NOT to travel that far that evening. The threat of a thunder storm that evening was a factor too, if my memory is correct on that detail.



Did you go to the Luray zoo? I enjoyed that. Then we ate in the Watch and Warrant- the name is apparently a nod to Stephen King. It was pricy but good.
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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Apr 05, 2025 4:18 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:
My wife and I visited nearby (to the New Market battlefield) but after a long day at Luray Caverns, and a decent steak dinner, we decided NOT to travel that far that evening. The threat of a thunder storm that evening was a factor too, if my memory is correct on that detail.



Did you go to the Luray zoo? I enjoyed that. Then we ate in the Watch and Warrant- the name is apparently a nod to Stephen King. It was pricy but good.


NO, we did not, Jonesy. Was that a petting zoo type of thing? There was a car museum and a few other attractions there, as I recall. We JUST did the Caverns (quite amazing and I recommend it, if that is your thing). Even my wife with her claustrophobia did fine in there. Once inside it is very roomy and has a rather constant Temp of 50F or so.
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Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Apr 05, 2025 4:25 pm

It's a small zoo, a private one. It has an amazing array of reptiles, a petting/feeding bit with cute animals for the kids (my granddaughter loved it) and all the other animals are rescues - either caring owner of something exotic died, or they were confiscated from naughty owners, or they came from a zoo that closed. Not huge, but a worthy enterprise.
We did the caverns, also the toy museum. I would have liked to do the history bit, but it was time to eat.
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Re: Visit to Fort Sumter and MORE

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Apr 05, 2025 4:38 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:It's a small zoo, a private one. It has an amazing array of reptiles, a petting/feeding bit with cute animals for the kids (my granddaughter loved it) and all the other animals are rescues - either caring owner of something exotic died, or they were confiscated from naughty owners, or they came from a zoo that closed. Not huge, but a worthy enterprise.
We did the caverns, also the toy museum. I would have liked to do the history bit, but it was time to eat.


I do recall LOTS to do in addition to the Caverns, the main attraction. Many appealed to the children, it seems, as best that I can recall.

It is worth a visit, with the family or just as a couple. That area of Virginia with the hills and valleys is really a region with many scenic vistas.

Nearby Bath County is also worth a visit, especially at the Homestead resort. Great golf and horse to ride, too, but we did neither. There is a small water park there when we visited. AND having tea with crumpets on the Veranda is so nostalgic of a slower and simpler time, imo. We did a 3 day, 2 night stay, as I recall.

Further South, on I-81, is Floyd County with Bluegrass music and a winery; I did visit that. That too is worth a visit if you are in the area. As is the Skyline Drive and the Blue Ridge Parkway (maximum speed = 35 mph with lots of turns) and many beautiful areas to stop and look. Go in the Fall, if that is your thing.
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