Conquer Club

A Map With Only 9 Territories

After I paid for Premium, I saw some interesting games in speed games section with these settings: Doodle Earth, 8 Players, Assassin, Freestyle

These games are really fun, though I lost a lot of points in them!

They are based on luck and then speed and skills, but first of all it is luck that where you and your target and your assassin are dropped and how you roll.

Then I thought to a map with only 8 territories for players in start and 1 natural in center.

I came up with 2 styles, I don't know if it's possible or not, but I'm sure it will be a really good map for people who love to play games that are based on luck like those speed Assassin games. Also these maps could be fun in terminator and team games.

Here are styles I thought to:




Now what's your idea?

No. We don't need any more luck-based maps.

the first would work, the 2nd would not

greenoaks wrote:the first would work, the 2nd would not

Agreed - well, the first is better, anyhow.

ISN, I'm not anti-small maps by any means, in fact I actually think CC needs more small maps, but your concept needs a theme and more territories, IMHO. And think about the potential 12-player expansion, too - you want it to be 12-player friendly, too. The minimum number of territories a map should have is probably 16.

Cheers,
Sully

Well... Although that its luck-based it would be an easy way to get points...

The absolute minimum number of territories for a map is 16. Even that is considered too few by many, including me. I would suggest at least 24 territories.

Furthermore, "having few territories" should not be your only gameplay idea.

VladikVP wrote:Well... Although that its luck-based it would be an easy way to get points...

Or an easy way to lose points

natty_dread wrote:The absolute minimum number of territories for a map is 16. Even that is considered too few by many, including me. I would suggest at least 24 territories.

Furthermore, "having few territories" should not be your only gameplay idea.

Indeed.... in the usual way, I would go so far to insist that a map has a minimum of 24 territories in order to minimise the risk of first-round eliminations...

MrBenn wrote:

natty_dread wrote:The absolute minimum number of territories for a map is 16. Even that is considered too few by many, including me. I would suggest at least 24 territories.

Furthermore, "having few territories" should not be your only gameplay idea.

Indeed.... in the usual way, I would go so far to insist that a map has a minimum of 24 territories in order to minimise the risk of first-round eliminations...

What if the map purpose is for fast eliminations? Isn't there any exceptions?

ISN2 wrote:What if the map purpose is for fast eliminations? Isn't there any exceptions?

World Domination is a game of strategy, not a game of chance... The dice offer enough luck as it is

MrBenn wrote:

ISN2 wrote:What if the map purpose is for fast eliminations? Isn't there any exceptions?

World Domination is a game of strategy, not a game of chance... The dice offer enough luck as it is

then why are the assassin battle royales so popular

greenoaks wrote:

MrBenn wrote:

ISN2 wrote:What if the map purpose is for fast eliminations? Isn't there any exceptions?

World Domination is a game of strategy, not a game of chance... The dice offer enough luck as it is

then why are the assassin battle royales so popular

Because they're a once-a-year special celebratory event?

natty_dread wrote:

greenoaks wrote:

MrBenn wrote:

ISN2 wrote:What if the map purpose is for fast eliminations? Isn't there any exceptions?

World Domination is a game of strategy, not a game of chance... The dice offer enough luck as it is

then why are the assassin battle royales so popular

Because they're a once-a-year special celebratory event?

And why there are a lot of speed freestyle assassin games on doodle everyday and night?

There are "84803 results" for doodle assassins with 6, 7 or 8 players in public games ...

We don't need more luck maps. People who want to gamble their points can play assdoodle. We don't need more maps to support that lunacy.

But if his first sketch were themed and slightly larger it could be a possibility. What if he added another layer, drew it as a wagon wheel?

Thing is, with the really small ones like this, the gameplay comes down to luck, who gets the drop, who gets the dices (and in case of freestyle, who makes the fastest assaults) etc. There's no strategy involved. Sure, we already have assdoodle and asslux games but both of those maps (Doodle earth, Luxembourg) have the defense that they can also be played in more sensible game styles, like escalating standard with 4-6 players, or no spoils 4p dubs, etc. etc.

The problem with luck-based game types is they can easily be abused for point dumping: a high ranking player plays a few "gambling" speed games to get his score down, then when he wins on his other games he can cash in big time in points.


But, the smallness is not the only problem here. Seriously... I have to say this bluntly, so apologies in advance if I'm offending anyone.

We get these kinds of ideas in the foundry all the time. They never go anywhere. There's a reason why: no substance, a one trick gameplay, no theme...

Anyone can put 9 circles or squares together and call it a map draft. ISN2, your other map draft (the lorn empire one) shows you are capable of designing a decent theme and gameplay. Why dabble with these simplistic ideas that a trained monkey could do?

A map needs to be interesting in both theme and gameplay, and both theme and gameplay need to work together and support each other. A map with 9 squares just doesn't cut it. Even if you add more territories and come up with a theme, it doesn't work unless you can come up with a gameplay that is consistent with the theme.

Sorry if I come off like an asshole, but I think it's better someone tells you all this honestly before you waste too much more time with a map idea that has a 99% certainty of never going anywhere...

I also think that they are going to up the players to 12 per game. so this will help out.