Conquer Club

Mad-elph wrote:I've just started on this map having not noticed it addition until last week. I really enjoy it for what it is, but I do have issues with the design in context of history. I have not read all 36 pages on this so maybe its been already responded to. I read the first 3 and the last 3. Anyway, I am a Classics and Political Science student and my senior seminar is on the Peloponnesian War, the work of Thucydides. I think this map's design is misguided for the Peloponnesian War. Its a great map but does not really capture the battles or real territory of dispute in the Pelo war. The fact that noone starts in the Peloponnese is a huge red haring, and going there does nothing for you really. I am guessing that you just took the Ancient Greece or Alexander map and fused them.

I would love to contribute to an accurate depiction, and don't want to dismay the designer, but I think its faulty in that it put more emphasis on fights in Asia Minor and Thrace instead of Hellas and some cycladic islands. Furthermore names such as Pontus, Romans, Persians are wrong for the era. In 431 Rome had not united Italy. Persia was in dismay and did little for either side in the war. Pontus was a Persian settlement that didn't do anything during the war. Instead of Rome you should have Sicily which is a big part of Athens War, as they wanted the Sicilian wheat and to dominate Syracuse, much to their failure.
Emphasis should be put to a lower level... It should be on empires and their vassal states, Athens should get a bonus if it holds Pylos, or Potidea etc. Sparta if it takes Delos or controls Attica or the Argives.

The map should exclude Asia for the most part. Rhodes, Crete, Halicarnasus (where most of my playing of the map have found to be the focal point) have minor involvement, acting only as tributaries to Athens in the later part of the War. Halicarnasus is from Alexander's exploits. As far East as the map should go is the inclusion of Lesbos as that is really as far as this war is concerned Eastward. To the north you can cut some too. I know this plays down the maneuvering there but its all wrong. There is a lot in the war over the Chalcidian lands.
If scaled right you could have more regions in the Peloponnese, a few in Chalcidia etc... the emphasis should be on cities here as that is how they battled. Laying siege to cities and commanding the surrounding area. When you wanted to attack someone you'd land an army, ravage the land so they had no food stuffs and if they came out of their fortress you'd battle them, if not you'd leave to fight another summer.

I'd love to help make an appropriate map... If you want me to I can try, but I can't do too much until Dec, when I finish my degree.

captainwalrus wrote:While I don't want to speak for qwert, if I remember correctly from back when it was first an idea his intention was really to make a more accurate ancient Greece map, yet as a revamp was not allowed, he loosely based it on the Peloponnesian war.
It is one of the best maps on CC, and a revamp would be bad.

Master Fenrir wrote:I don't see a poll option, but my vote would be "no." In my experience on this map, the best and most fun games are 8 man terminator games and quad games. Both require 8 starting positions.

nippersean wrote:Just sounds like a silly idea to me - the map is fine and popular.
The Boetians or Athenians could be reduced to 4 neutral imo to reduce strength of the Persians but I don't understand why you would consider this project to be useful.

Again it is all about reflecting correct history.

porkenbeans wrote:Maybe you could state just what the historical inaccuracies are ?

Industrial Helix wrote:I really am having a hard time making heads or tails of this map without territory labels and what have you.

I think the big thing that this map needs to address is how the deployment is going to go. Ancient Greece is all random, Peloponnesian War is starting positions only... To be honest, I think something along the lines of The Third Crusade style deployment would work out great. 6 on Athens, 6 on Sparta and 6 other places... the rest open to random.