dakky21 wrote:Look aage, I don't have anything against you.
Razorvich game was full of crap and so many hidden things which were not in the rules and therefore I am trying to enforce game leaders to make them transparent as much as they can.
I don't understand why is it so hard to outline it in a clean nice way, rather than trying to avoid that. I'm not saying you're a bastard mod but you clearly don't want to give all the details in a freaking OPEN setup game. It's OPEN setup. No power roles. Yes we get it. But BUT why is claiming anything else than TOWN or SCUM forbidden? If it's forbidden then there MUST be consequences.... BUT in your (updated) rules... ONLY I will be prosecuted for claiming anything else than TOWN or SCUM while anyone else will not be.
And you say I'm trolling? You're the only troll here lol.
I'm gonna outline real quick for you what the concept of "rules" means in the context of a mafia game.
It's a set of agreements we make with each other on what and what not to do during the game. Signing up for a game means you agree to abide by the rules. This is done in good spirit because I would rather not have to act like a totalitarian fucking state. We rely on each other to be acting in good faith during this game and following the rules, because it will maximize fairness and to a larger extent the enjoyment we have in the game.
The reason we don't like to play with cheaters is because, when they signed up for the game, they agreed with the rules and agreed to follow them, but then didn't. When cheaters are caught we usually try to find a way to deal with them without completely ruining the game. Usually that involves modkilling, sometimes we let people off with a warning, sometimes it results in a board wide ban from future mafia games. As you may have noticed, none of the standard rules have any consequence attached to them. This is because rulebreaking is handled differently depending on the mod and the offense, and because we as players and game mods like to assume that we all intend to abide by the rules when we play the game.
You are asking me to attach consequences to a violation of the rules I set. Why aren't you complaining about this in every thread if this is so important to you? Why is it only now important that I, specifically, set consequences to this rule, specifically? I can only guess, and I would guess that it is because you intend to break it. I am guessing this because you have said it multiple times. Your logic is that a player should be allowed to claim anything in an open setup, and the town needs to make up its own mind on whether the player is lying, or the game moderator. However, this strategy supersedes the game you are playing. You are now accusing the game mod, who is NOT a player, of being dishonest. In other words, you are trying to win by making me look bad.
Skoffin and I have been talking about players looking at the game as a 'puzzle', and approaching the game from the angle of "what would and wouldn't the mod do". I am avoiding this entirely by TELLING YOU what I would and wouldn't do, by making the setup open and clearly stating that there will be no power roles. I set rules against claiming so that people (like you) couldn't accuse me, the mod, of being a liar and putting power roles in the game anyway. This signifies an insane amount of mistrust and disdain towards the game host - the game hasn't even started yet and you are already (a) assuming that I am lying, (b) assuming that I COULD be lying, and (c) planning to convince other players that I am lying. Now you're asking me to put in the rules that I will manually take you or anyone else out of the game if they claimed a role. You're missing the entire point of game rules.
You said you would be out if the rules don't change. The rules aren't changing, so you are out. Please stop posting in this thread.
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:40 pm
