zimmah wrote:Victor Sullivan wrote:zimmah wrote:no matter how much i'd lke to play a D2D mafia, i'm not joining a xmass themed one on principle.
What's wrong with Christmas?
-Sully
it's often 'advertized' as a cristian celebration while it's in fact not. As a christian i can't rightfully celebrate something that found it's origins in idolatry, false doctrine, patriotism, etc. which includes nearly every commonly accepted celebration.
christmass found it's origins way back in cults celebrating the return of the sun, so it's basically worshipping the sun, but the catholic church made it even worse by adding their flavor to it, and i also never understood the idea of putting a star on top of a tree (the tree stems from the old scandivian people who worshipped the evergreen trees which were quite rare back then in those regions, in old times trees were often worshipped for their longlifety, evergreen trees even moreso, the star refers back to the miraculous star that was created by the devil himself in an attempt to aid in the assassination of just-born Jesus. off course the attempt failed, as god would not allow the devil to mess up his plans. still, it's a bit weird to worship the devils actions as a cristian).
Ah! I believe I had a conversation with VioIet about this very subject before.
The history of Christmas (the holiday, specifically) is the Catholic church wanted to crush the pagan holidays that occurred in December, so they made Christmas on December 25th, to trump the pagan holiday on the same day with a holiday by the dominating Catholic church. Naturally with such a prospect, there was some mixing in traditions, especially given the Catholic church didn't really start any necessarily to go with their new holiday. Your analysis of the pagan traditions are, I believe, quite right. And if I remember correctly, the spherical ornaments to be hung on the trees were supposed to symbolize severed heads, too. Nonetheless, even though a Christian myself, I still put up my Christmas tree, hang ornaments on it, wrap it in garland and light it up. Why? Well, because, despite the Catholic church's many pitfalls over the centuries, they were successful. None of these former pagan traditions represent the things they used to. If someone does these things in worship of the devil or some cult, then sure, that's fucked up, but as far as pretty much everyone is concerned, that's not the case.
-Sully
) Merry Christmas!
