HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[dazza2008]

So you can only use your secret vote on yourself?

I am not understanding how this proves anything here. Why should we not lynch you?

[mc05025]

So you can only use your secret vote on yourself?

I am not understanding how this proves anything here. Why should we not lynch you?

Depending of who are you

[Iron Butterfly]

Fact. Either Sparticas or MC is lieing.

I have thought about it since my last post. This is my opinion. I beleive Sparticas has told the truth so far with the information that has been provided to him. MC is a Deatheater werewolf who turns everyother night. He can also manipulate the vote during the day. He is a mafia joat.

His powers consist of being able to attack someone every other night and either role block them or kill them. He can also manipulate the day vote by one.

If MC really is Mafia and has been exposed there is only ome way for him to prove he is innocent and that is to show us he can manipulate the vote. To do that he has to create a new persona and rational for his actions.

Now one can ask why his vote manipultion was not included in what Sparticas revealed. I do not know the answer to that.

So either Sparticas is lieing or MC is lieing. I vested alot of time defending Sparticas so it is to late for me to turn back now as it would be silly for me not to beleive him now. combined with MCs discription of how his role works, his charachter not in the books and already dead I beleive MC to be the liar.

VOTE MC

[dazza2008]

So you can only use your secret vote on yourself?

I am not understanding how this proves anything here. Why should we not lynch you?

Depending of who are you

Why is nobody even trying to defend themselves or help the town in this game. Any question asked is ignored. Ask Spart something and you are skimming. I wish I could fucking commit suicide

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, we have sPARTACUS version two. Another claim that doesn't make any dam sense. My big question would be: Why would spartacus and mc give two totally different characters...and both of them rather small roles in the scheme of things.

Spartacus had to name someone. If he's lying about his role, the safest way out is to make up a fake visit to some low key characteen

Mc: If he got called out has to come up with something. Again, claiming a unimportant character is the way to go. Then disguising that with an added threat that something will happen if he's lynched.

My conclusion: mc is trying to hide behind his threat. If its pro town as he claims then that is less risky. also, we need to KNOW ifspartacus can be trusted until day 5....when we'll most likely lynch him. If mc comes up a regulus, then we might as well lynch spartacus next day.

Fast posted.

[mc05025]

So you can only use your secret vote on yourself?

I am not understanding how this proves anything here. Why should we not lynch you?

Depending of who are you

Why is nobody even trying to defend themselves or help the town in this game. Any question asked is ignored. Ask Spart something and you are skimming. I wish I could fucking commit suicide

I made a mistake.

I thought you were able to read and think what I am saying. Sorry.

After the mod put my extra secret vote to me I will have proved that my power is something else than what Spartacus described.
In addition voting secretly myself is a power that only innocent people is logical to have.

So if you can not understand that by proving Spartacus is lying about my power and revealing a power than only innocent people is logical to have, is proof that I am innocent then go ahead and lynch me.

I tried to use your logic and not your emotions. Maybe that was a mistake.

fastposted Neb

[mc05025]

Fact. Either Sparticas or MC is lieing.

I have thought about it since my last post. This is my opinion. I beleive Sparticas has told the truth so far with the information that has been provided to him. MC is a Deatheater werewolf who turns everyother night. He can also manipulate the vote during the day. He is a mafia joat.

His powers consist of being able to attack someone every other night and either role block them or kill them. He can also manipulate the day vote by one.

If MC really is Mafia and has been exposed there is only ome way for him to prove he is innocent and that is to show us he can manipulate the vote. To do that he has to create a new persona and rational for his actions.

Now one can ask why his vote manipultion was not included in what Sparticas revealed. I do not know the answer to that.

So either Sparticas is lieing or MC is lieing. I vested alot of time defending Sparticas so it is to late for me to turn back now as it would be silly for me not to beleive him now. combined with MCs discription of how his role works, his charachter not in the books and already dead I beleive MC to be the liar.

VOTE MC

That does not make any sense.

If I had an extra power (than those Spartacus described) to manipulate a vote then the logical thing would have been not to have a secret vote putted by the mod. For example if I could manipulate your vote, my power would have been to force you to vote the one I wanted. But that way the vote would not have been putted secretly by the mod (but by the victim I can manipulate)

One other thing worthy to metion is that there is a possibility Spartacus not to be deatheater. Maybe the deatheaters have the power to use something like the empirio curse (a curse that the cursed is forced to do exactly what you want). So they might learned that he is Snape and he cursed him so that today he is saying what they want. Just a thought

[Iron Butterfly]

I will make this simple. Either Sparticas is lieing or you are lieing.

I beleive you are lieing.

I have no idea how the mod has dicided to do it. Your explanation of what you do id just as complicated as Sparicas's actions. I do however need to choose beyween you or Sparticas.

I have made my choice. Put me on your list of people to watch oi it makes you feel better. Manipulating a vote only tells me that you can manipulate a vote nothing more.

[dazza2008]

So you can only use your secret vote on yourself?

I am not understanding how this proves anything here. Why should we not lynch you?

Depending of who are you

Why is nobody even trying to defend themselves or help the town in this game. Any question asked is ignored. Ask Spart something and you are skimming. I wish I could fucking commit suicide

I made a mistake.

I thought you were able to read and think what I am saying. Sorry.

After the mod put my extra secret vote to me I will have proved that my power is something else than what Spartacus described.
In addition voting secretly myself is a power that only innocent people is logical to have.

So if you can not understand that by proving Spartacus is lying about my power and revealing a power than only innocent people is logical to have, is proof that I am innocent then go ahead and lynch me.

I tried to use your logic and not your emotions. Maybe that was a mistake.

fastposted Neb

All it will really prove is that you are a secret voter. That role can be any alignment. You seem to think it can only be an innocent person but you are wrong.

Also you were asked what your role is called and you have not answered. Also can you post the green part of your pm?

[everywhere116]

Fact. Either Sparticas or MC is lieing.

I have thought about it since my last post. This is my opinion. I beleive Sparticas has told the truth so far with the information that has been provided to him. MC is a Deatheater werewolf who turns everyother night. He can also manipulate the vote during the day. He is a mafia joat.

His powers consist of being able to attack someone every other night and either role block them or kill them. He can also manipulate the day vote by one.

If MC really is Mafia and has been exposed there is only ome way for him to prove he is innocent and that is to show us he can manipulate the vote. To do that he has to create a new persona and rational for his actions.

Now one can ask why his vote manipultion was not included in what Sparticas revealed. I do not know the answer to that.

So either Sparticas is lieing or MC is lieing. I vested alot of time defending Sparticas so it is to late for me to turn back now as it would be silly for me not to beleive him now. combined with MCs discription of how his role works, his charachter not in the books and already dead I beleive MC to be the liar.

VOTE MC

That does not make any sense.

If I had an extra power (than those Spartacus described) to manipulate a vote then the logical thing would have been not to have a secret vote putted by the mod. For example if I could manipulate your vote, my power would have been to force you to vote the one I wanted. But that way the vote would not have been putted secretly by the mod (but by the victim I can manipulate)

One other thing worthy to metion is that there is a possibility Spartacus not to be deatheater. Maybe the deatheaters have the power to use something like the empirio curse (a curse that the cursed is forced to do exactly what you want). So they might learned that he is Snape and he cursed him so that today he is saying what they want. Just a thought

I'm not too sure how that would work. That makes no sense in the context of mafia.

Also, Regulus was dead for a long time even before HP:SS. It boggles my mind why you would be Regulus now.

[spiesr]

and the prize for worst fake claim goes to wow mc05 lol ,
how have you proved that your power is not what i said? you have had 24hrs to come up with this

If he is is truly able to cast a secret extra vote, then that is a power which did not say he had. And what to you mean he has 24 hours? What will happen if he does not do so by then? You don't have any control of when/if he is lynched beyond casting your own vote. Your vote is already on him, so I don't know what you can change...

stop skimming and read what i said , i said that mc05 has had 24hrs to come up with his joke claim

Okay, I seem to have misread what you were saying in this instance. I apologize. I missed the "had" in the line and took it to mean something else.

spiesr the way you keep attacking me its making me think that you need me dead for some reason?

I am attempting to keep pressuring you because I am not yet confident in your claim. As such, I intend to keep questioning you and whatnot in an attempt to wring as much information out of you as possible, and also to make things stressful for you to see if you will slip up in any ways that would show your claim to be false. Why I am doing so? Because the main other doubter of your claim is now dead and nobody else seems to want to step up to the job. Also, I am probably under the effects of some sort of bias as your posts and the general manner in which you have been conducting yourself infuriate me. Additionally, yes I do need you dead at some point. Even if your claim is true, you said that you will become a Death Eater at some point and will therefor need to be killed. I am trying to calculate when this needs to happen based on factors such as the probability of your claim being true, the usefulness of whatever you are providing, the chance that you have already turned and other things. It is in the best interest of the town that this determination be made correctly. Accordingly, if you are really town aligned right now then you should want to help me make the correct decision, rather than how you have been acting.

After the mod put my extra secret vote to me I will have proved that my power is something else than what Spartacus described.

Right

In addition voting secretly myself is a power that only innocent people is logical to have.

Wrong. First, you cannot prove that you can only use your extra vote to vote for yourself. As it stands, there is no way that we can know for certain that your role is not actually a double voter or something. While a double voter is probably more likely to town, it certainly could be scum. Secondly, that ability to place and extra vote on yourself isn't something that anyone is likely to have, so saying that it would only logical for townies to have that power is not a determination that we can make at present.

If I had an extra power (than those Spartacus described) to manipulate a vote then the logical thing would have been not to have a secret vote putted by the mod. For example if I could manipulate your vote, my power would have been to force you to vote the one I wanted. But that way the vote would not have been putted secretly by the mod (but by the victim I can manipulate)

Actually, the way in which extra votes almost always work in mafia is for the player to PM the mod when they wish to place/move the vote and for the mod to record it in the vote count. Often as ???, sometimes as something else. So, they way you desrcibe your secret vote working is more or less how any secret vote works.

Why is nobody even trying to defend themselves or help the town in this game. Any question asked is ignored. Ask Spart something and you are skimming. I wish I could fucking commit suicide

I feel that with you. I wish that I had gotten Safariguy's role so I could have jumped in front of the bus leaving someone else to deal with this mess.

[mc05025]

Actually I got tired guys. I am sorry. Too much effort to gain a small advantage when you are not willing to even think what I am saying. Not even one person said 'lets see if the mod will do as mc said'.

I am not willing to post anything else to defend myself. I am disappointed of how you do not want to follow the logic and think who is saying the truth.

I ll be the 4th innocent and after the night 5 innocent will be out.

So I think gg. It seems worthless to do anything else to help

fastposted spiers

[mc05025]

actually spier is the only logical person here and he is right to almost anything he is saying. But only 1 person is not enough

So will make one last effort just to answer to him.
It is true the only thing I can prove is that I am something like a doublevoter (did not know that this is exists in many games)
I believe that an action at day is power that most likely townies have as you said.

Now lets say I am not what I am saying but I am just a doublevoter as you said.
Is it possible I am a double voter and have the power at night as Spartacus described? You are might not sure if I am innocent or guilty but you know that Spartacus is lying. And if Spartacus is lying you not kil me

[dazza2008]

MC I think everyone is listening to what you say but you have to expect some pressure in this situation.

It is possible to have a night and day action. I am in a game where I have a day action and a night action. Anything is possible.

Why do you refuse to answer certain questions though? Why won't you say what your role is called and why won't you post the green part of the pm? Avoiding answering these is not going to help you convince anyone.

[mc05025]

Because I could easily prove Spartacus is lying. His lie was enough to make me innocent for the rest of the game without revealing my identity. We have reveal to many identities and deatheaters have take advantage of that killing many important people

Now if you think it is possible the Fenrih Graybach that attacking people at night and have the powers that Spartacus described is a doublevoter at day too (and Spartacus did not learn about that power but only about the powers he described) then I do not know what to say. Go ahead and kill me.
Posting the green part is not going to give you any more information and only deatheaters will be benefited from that

[thehippo8]

Hi all ... been sleeping and then busy at work.

I believe MC. As to the "is Regulus even in the Deathly Hallows" question ... check this out.

Given that MC might change tonight (game time) then he can be lynched tomorrow. But Spart has to be lynched too so I vote to lynch Spart today assuming the mod logs on and responds to MC. No vote right now, but that's where I'm heading.

[chapcrap]

So many discrepancies...

First of all, don't act like you have read the book, if you are going to spell everyone's name incorrectly.

Secondly, don't try to say that just because Lily Potter and Regulus Black were both dead, that they were both in the book. Lily and James Potter were actually in the book and movies. There were flashbacks of them, scenes of them as children, their ghosts/auras appeared and spoke. None of that happened with Regulus. He was only talked about in the books and the movies and was never once seen or heard from.

Thirdly, Regulus didn't commit suicide, so WTF, mate?

Fourthly, having a secret vote placed on you, is in no way any kind of confirmation. All we know is that if it were to happen, one of your mafia scummates has a secret vote. Thanks for the info. We'll be sure to more cautious when voting so that someone doesn't get secret voted.

Fifthly, what kind of power is the ability to secret vote yourself? What would you ever gain from that?

Lastly, did you ever answer what your what your role is called, because I didn't see it. I'd love to see a made up name for your made up role.

[Iron Butterfly]

Because I could easily prove Spartacus is lying. His lie was enough to make me innocent for the rest of the game without revealing my identity. We have reveal to many identities and deatheaters have take advantage of that killing many important people If anything the opposite has been proven...you can not easily prove it.

Now if you think it is possible the Fenrih Graybach that attacking people at night and have the powers that Spartacus described is a doublevoter at day too (and Spartacus did not learn about that power but only about the powers he described) then I do not know what to say. Go ahead and kill me. If you are a Mafia JOAT it is easily the case.
Posting the green part is not going to give you any more information and only deatheaters will be benefited from that

If you are going to be lynched and you are who you say all you are doing is helping the deatheaters. You have already stated that your suicide vote "May" trigger an event but now it wont work because its to early you may as well post the green

[everywhere116]

Hi all ... been sleeping and then busy at work.

I believe MC. As to the "is Regulus even in the Deathly Hallows" question ... check this out.

That clearly says that he died years before the books and doesn't come back. Either freezie is a moron or mc is lying about something.

[mc05025]

So many discrepancies...

First of all, don't act like you have read the book, if you are going to spell everyone's name incorrectly.

Secondly, don't try to say that just because Lily Potter and Regulus Black were both dead, that they were both in the book. Lily and James Potter were actually in the book and movies. There were flashbacks of them, scenes of them as children, their ghosts/auras appeared and spoke. None of that happened with Regulus. He was only talked about in the books and the movies and was never once seen or heard from.

Thirdly, Regulus didn't commit suicide, so WTF, mate?

Fourthly, having a secret vote placed on you, is in no way any kind of confirmation. All we know is that if it were to happen, one of your mafia scummates has a secret vote. Thanks for the info. We'll be sure to more cautious when voting so that someone doesn't get secret voted.

Fifthly, what kind of power is the ability to secret vote yourself? What would you ever gain from that?

Lastly, did you ever answer what your what your role is called, because I didn't see it. I'd love to see a made up name for your made up role.

The only problem to my story was the 'Fourthly' part. The one that I can not prove that the secret vote is mine. I did not know that when a planned it. Without that Spartacus story would have proved a complete lie

As soon as we are pretty much losing the game (with 3 innocent people dead and with harry dead too) I tried not to reveal my truth identity but just using my power to prove Spartacus is lying. I failed not only I did not know how doublevoting works but because you really wanted to believe Spartacus.

So here is my truth identity. Not that I believe that I will convince you as you have already decided to follow Spartacus but at least I will die and my team lose not because of my mistakes .

This is the green part of my pm
I have already ask freezie to put the extra vote to me but he is too lazy.

You are James Potter ( Wizard Doublevoter )

Father of the most popular Harry Potter, you died to the hands of Voldemort after your friend
Peter betrayed you and Lily. Shadowy events brought you back to the living world, somehow,
and right in the middle of the fight against your very own killer. This time, however, you are
prepared...

[mc05025]

You are Severus Snape ( Wizard Hunter )

You always had a fond for dark magic, soon recruited to the deatheaters in your youth,but you came to realize the true side you needed to be on when you joined Albus who had no respect for such magic.
So now you follow Albus' wishes and fight against the dark lord and his deatheaters.
green part.

my power is every other night i get moved around randomly with another wizard good and bad so if a deatheater tries to block us ,bus us , well any night activity i find out there roles.
the downside is as im using dark magic this is not good i can only use this info for a few times before i turn and go back to the dark side and rejoin the deatheaters.

the role can be very usefull to town if only for the first couple of nights to get info then after that before i turn you have to kill me i do not know the exact amount of times i can use this power but im guessing not to many between 2or3.

thats all i can say about my role without getting mod killed lol.


i suggest taking a look at the ones who are still screaming for a lynch.

After I copy pasted my green part I saw that the lines are cutted (shorter lines because the space on the inbox is shorter. When Spartacus copy pasted his green part the lines were regular

[Nebuchadnezer]

So many discrepancies...

First of all, don't act like you have read the book, if you are going to spell everyone's name incorrectly.

Secondly, don't try to say that just because Lily Potter and Regulus Black were both dead, that they were both in the book. Lily and James Potter were actually in the book and movies. There were flashbacks of them, scenes of them as children, their ghosts/auras appeared and spoke. None of that happened with Regulus. He was only talked about in the books and the movies and was never once seen or heard from.

Thirdly, Regulus didn't commit suicide, so WTF, mate?

Fourthly, having a secret vote placed on you, is in no way any kind of confirmation. All we know is that if it were to happen, one of your mafia scummates has a secret vote. Thanks for the info. We'll be sure to more cautious when voting so that someone doesn't get secret voted.

Fifthly, what kind of power is the ability to secret vote yourself? What would you ever gain from that?

Lastly, did you ever answer what your what your role is called, because I didn't see it. I'd love to see a made up name for your made up role.

The only problem to my story was the 'Fourthly' part. The one that I can not prove that the secret vote is mine. I did not know that when a planned it. Without that Spartacus story would have proved a complete lie

As soon as we are pretty much losing the game (with 3 innocent people dead and with harry dead too) I tried not to reveal my truth identity but just using my power to prove Spartacus is lying. I failed not only I did not know how doublevoting works but because you really wanted to believe Spartacus.

So here is my truth identity. Not that I believe that I will convince you as you have already decided to follow Spartacus but at least I will die and my team lose not because of my mistakes .

This is the green part of my pm
I have already ask freezie to put the extra vote to me but he is too lazy.

You are James Potter ( Wizard Doublevoter )

Father of the most popular Harry Potter, you died to the hands of Voldemort after your friend
Peter betrayed you and Lily. Shadowy events brought you back to the living world, somehow,
and right in the middle of the fight against your very own killer. This time, however, you are
prepared...

Well, MC...as the saying goes...lynch all liars. The fact that you already lied about your identity in the first place leads me to believe you would lie again. You must learn that town has nothing to hide...therefore town doesn't lie. There are other roles to protect you, if you are really strong. Also, your double voter role is a pretty crappy role to have...why are you lying to protect that? I am a little pissed that if you turn up to really be town, your play has F%$#@!^ the town again. Not to mention that you gave SPARTACUS another night alive. Terrible play, MC, terrible.

[spiesr]

Well right off the bat I am going to say that initially lying about your role will probably prove to have been a mistake. One of the idioms of mafia is "lynch all liars." Additionally it really take a toll on your creditability. As it stands, the outcome of the the town lynching you to prove/disprove Spartacus2's claim is now probably more likely than the reverse.
Anyhow, I have to ask, was the part about your death having some sort of effect true, or are you just a regular double voter?

I have already ask freezie to put the extra vote to me but he is too lazy.

He will presumably do it when he posts the next vote count. However, with Freezie it could be a day or two before that happens.

[everywhere116]

He does bring up a good point about Sparty's lines, though. Also looking back, my green part doesn't have any grammar errors and manages to capitalize proper nouns such as "Dark Lord" and "Death Eaters".

[freezie]

Vote count:

L-1McHammer(7): Spartacus, chapcrap, Djfireside, alt, Neb, ???, Iron

Spartacus:(1): MCHammer

With 15 alive, takes 8 to lynch.