Memebase Mafia Game Over!

[chapcrap]

I target Jen N1. She no die, I no get investigation, so I guess protect. Maybe kill in store for N3? I no know.

-Sully

This makes sense for a skitzo role. There was a similar role in Resort Mafia who would randomly do either a protection, investigation, kill, or roleblock on the target.

Actually, if we look at sully's powers, even though he's third party, his powers tend to benefit town more than they do mafia.

If Sully targets town:

1. Protection- Good for townie, keeps them alive.
2. Investigation- Good for townie, clears them from being scum.
3. Kill- Bad for townie, we lose a townie.

If Sully targets mafia:

1. Protection- Can be neutral or bad, depending on whether or not the town vig picked up on a scumtell and knew who to shoot at night. Odds of that right now are pretty low, and if we do have a town vigilante, they're wisely not killing anyone just yet because we haven't outed any extra mafia members.

2. Investigation- Good, unless he targeted the Mafia Godfather. It's how we got Mr. Squirrel.

3. Kill- Good, eliminates one more mafia member, can preemptively kill the Godfather without us having to worry about fakeclaims, etc.

So in summary, if Sully targets someone who is townie, we have a 66% chance of doing something beneficial.

If Sully targets a mafia member, we have also at least a 66% chance of doing some beneficial.

I'm willing to believe Sully's role until his actions speak otherwise, and I do not believe he is a good candidate for the third lynch. It's possible his character could be viewed as a threat to town by accidentally killing a townie early on, hence the fakeclaim. But his actions so far (especially getting rid of Mr. Squirrel) make me believe he's probably not mafia (although this does border on WIFOM).

Agreed with all of that. Even if he's third party, which I believe he is.

Question though, why is it bad if he targets the Mafia Godfather and it's an investigation?

[strike wolf]

Mafia godfathers are innocent under investigation. We could get a false positive on a townie role. The logic saf brought forward checks out. I'm fine with letting him live and I'm looking into a few other leads right now. I have a fairly strong scum vibe from one person in particular but I don't really have anything to anchor the case on which is making it more difficult.

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

None.

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

[strike wolf]

????

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Huh, so he doesn't exist then, that saves some effort, and a lynch. Me Gusta
But like he said we pretty much did lose him from the game...

For clarification doesn't a skitzo role usually have a roleblock too? I agree with the sentiment that victor has been an asset to the town, plus his PR definitely doesn't correspond to the known SK.

[safariguy5]

So I'm thinking we probably need a replacement for Talapus, he hasn't been around in forever.

[chapcrap]

That wasn't much of a scene or explanation. Was he third party? Was he town? Mods, if you choose to answer, please post and say Challenge Accepted!

Anyway, does that count as a lynch or do we still have 2 left? Technically is wasn't a lynch, but I don't know what the mod says.

Either way, if Sully is skitzo, I agree that it's believable and more useful to town than to mafia, but we really need him to be targeting the mafia, IMO. I do have a small problem with the math presented about him though. If he targets town, it's not 66% that it's helpful. It's just 66% that it's not harmful. Investigating town doesn't really do much good, IMO. That doesn't really matter though, I still think he's more helpful to town.

That said, strike, who are you getting the scummy vibes from?

[safariguy5]

That wasn't much of a scene or explanation. Was he third party? Was he town? Mods, if you choose to answer, please post and say Challenge Accepted!

Anyway, does that count as a lynch or do we still have 2 left? Technically is wasn't a lynch, but I don't know what the mod says.

Either way, if Sully is skitzo, I agree that it's believable and more useful to town than to mafia, but we really need him to be targeting the mafia, IMO. I do have a small problem with the math presented about him though. If he targets town, it's not 66% that it's helpful. It's just 66% that it's not harmful. Investigating town doesn't really do much good, IMO. That doesn't really matter though, I still think he's more helpful to town.

That said, strike, who are you getting the scummy vibes from?

Investigating town IS helpful when we get to endgame and he can clear someone from being mafia. So no, it's not directly helpful now, but later on it will definitely be.

[slowreactor]

That wasn't much of a scene or explanation. Was he third party? Was he town? Mods, if you choose to answer, please post and say Challenge Accepted!

Anyway, does that count as a lynch or do we still have 2 left? Technically is wasn't a lynch, but I don't know what the mod says.

Either way, if Sully is skitzo, I agree that it's believable and more useful to town than to mafia, but we really need him to be targeting the mafia, IMO. I do have a small problem with the math presented about him though. If he targets town, it's not 66% that it's helpful. It's just 66% that it's not harmful. Investigating town doesn't really do much good, IMO. That doesn't really matter though, I still think he's more helpful to town.

That said, strike, who are you getting the scummy vibes from?

I've already explained everything in my roleclaim post. I'm stumped. I'm guess once I get stumped I no longer count as a character but can still talk and everything.

[chapcrap]

That wasn't much of a scene or explanation. Was he third party? Was he town? Mods, if you choose to answer, please post and say Challenge Accepted!

Anyway, does that count as a lynch or do we still have 2 left? Technically is wasn't a lynch, but I don't know what the mod says.

Either way, if Sully is skitzo, I agree that it's believable and more useful to town than to mafia, but we really need him to be targeting the mafia, IMO. I do have a small problem with the math presented about him though. If he targets town, it's not 66% that it's helpful. It's just 66% that it's not harmful. Investigating town doesn't really do much good, IMO. That doesn't really matter though, I still think he's more helpful to town.

That said, strike, who are you getting the scummy vibes from?

I've already explained everything in my roleclaim post. I'm stumped. I'm guess once I get stumped I no longer count as a character but can still talk and everything.

Challenge Accepted

If you're stumped, then why did the mod lower the population total to 19 from 20? I guess I'm still confused on what a stump is. Does this basically mean you are dead, but can still talk?

[Victor Sullivan]

I think it means he's alive, but doesn't contribute to the population of the town.

-Sully

[chapcrap]

I think it means he's alive, but doesn't contribute to the population of the town.

-Sully

Challenge Accepted.

So, he's like someone that is dead. He can't vote. He doesn't count toward population. He is like a dead person in every way except for the fact that he can talk.

[Victor Sullivan]

I think it means he's alive, but doesn't contribute to the population of the town.

-Sully

Challenge Accepted.

So, he's like someone that is dead. He can't vote. He doesn't count toward population. He is like a dead person in every way except for the fact that he can talk.

He can be targeted at night, too.

See? Mainstreamists stupid. Why kitty own cat! Stupid dogs...

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

(P.S. I don't think your stupid, chapcrap )

[DoomYoshi]

See, slowreactor. Claiming wasn't so bad, now was it?

In any case, I don't have any real leads. Victor sent my radar off a few times, but it could have just been his terrible syntax errors.
I am still curious as to why Rodion flipped 3rd Party though. With extra lynches today, and since very few are willing to clear inactives by hanging, I will

vote safariguy5.

Now, in his favour, Mr. S brought attention to him, so I doubt him to be mafia (unless I go down a long WIFOM path from which there is no escape). However, another 3rd-Party clogging up the works doesn't seem very useful right now either.

I am guessing Vio to be a Survivor. That makes 3 (sully, vio, saf). I am putting Vio in the list as her character is a well-known survivor. Although, I can imagine it would be a hilarious doctor .

I don't always go to bed, but when I do, I wear nothing.

[pancakemix]

To clarify: A tree stump may not be targeted. He is for all intents and purpose not a player in this game, save for the fact that he can discuss the game as any other player might.

[strike wolf]

See, slowreactor. Claiming wasn't so bad, now was it?

In any case, I don't have any real leads. Victor sent my radar off a few times, but it could have just been his terrible syntax errors.
I am still curious as to why Rodion flipped 3rd Party though. With extra lynches today, and since very few are willing to clear inactives by hanging, I will

vote safariguy5.

Now, in his favour, Mr. S brought attention to him, so I doubt him to be mafia (unless I go down a long WIFOM path from which there is no escape). However, another 3rd-Party clogging up the works doesn't seem very useful right now either.

I am guessing Vio to be a Survivor. That makes 3 (sully, vio, saf). I am putting Vio in the list as her character is a well-known survivor. Although, I can imagine it would be a hilarious doctor .

I don't always go to bed, but when I do, I wear nothing.

Considering the number of alternatives and a confirmed mafia framer in the game, it seems hasty to say that safari risked his own life as non-town to claim that Rodion was guilty. WHat's your game here doom?

[Victor Sullivan]

To clarify: A tree stump may not be targeted. He is for all intents and purpose not a player in this game, save for the fact that he can discuss the game as any other player might.

Oh, hm. So did that count as one of today's lynches?

Why you trippy, Doom? Syntax is too mainstream. Kitty no like.

-Sully

[slowreactor]

See, slowreactor. Claiming wasn't so bad, now was it?

Yeah, it wasn't... except now I'm in all senses out of the game.

[edocsil]

To clarify: A tree stump may not be targeted. He is for all intents and purpose not a player in this game, save for the fact that he can discuss the game as any other player might.

Can't be targeted for a busdriving? That does make him useless

[slowreactor]

See, slowreactor. Claiming wasn't so bad, now was it?

In any case, I don't have any real leads. Victor sent my radar off a few times, but it could have just been his terrible syntax errors.
I am still curious as to why Rodion flipped 3rd Party though. With extra lynches today, and since very few are willing to clear inactives by hanging, I will

vote safariguy5.

Now, in his favour, Mr. S brought attention to him, so I doubt him to be mafia (unless I go down a long WIFOM path from which there is no escape). However, another 3rd-Party clogging up the works doesn't seem very useful right now either.

I am guessing Vio to be a Survivor. That makes 3 (sully, vio, saf). I am putting Vio in the list as her character is a well-known survivor. Although, I can imagine it would be a hilarious doctor .

I don't always go to bed, but when I do, I wear nothing.

Considering the number of alternatives and a confirmed mafia framer in the game, it seems hasty to say that safari risked his own life as non-town to claim that Rodion was guilty. WHat's your game here doom?

Frankly I'm not too worried about 3rd party right now, as they seem to be in the town's boat. Especially Mr. S, with him revealing a mafia. I mean, I understand that they can turn any time, but because they're confirmed 3rd party, we can always get rid of them later if it turns out that we need to. Don't forget, survivors could just as easily be targeted by mafia

[safariguy5]

See, slowreactor. Claiming wasn't so bad, now was it?

In any case, I don't have any real leads. Victor sent my radar off a few times, but it could have just been his terrible syntax errors.
I am still curious as to why Rodion flipped 3rd Party though. With extra lynches today, and since very few are willing to clear inactives by hanging, I will

vote safariguy5.

Now, in his favour, Mr. S brought attention to him, so I doubt him to be mafia (unless I go down a long WIFOM path from which there is no escape). However, another 3rd-Party clogging up the works doesn't seem very useful right now either.

I am guessing Vio to be a Survivor. That makes 3 (sully, vio, saf). I am putting Vio in the list as her character is a well-known survivor. Although, I can imagine it would be a hilarious doctor .

I don't always go to bed, but when I do, I wear nothing.

I've already claimed Success Kid, Town JOAT. The jonty death I take responsibility for. I might add that I'm flavor confirmed as town from the Day 1 scene. So no, I don't believe I'm mafia here especially since there was no counterclaiming from anyone yesterday.

[slowreactor]

See, slowreactor. Claiming wasn't so bad, now was it?

In any case, I don't have any real leads. Victor sent my radar off a few times, but it could have just been his terrible syntax errors.
I am still curious as to why Rodion flipped 3rd Party though. With extra lynches today, and since very few are willing to clear inactives by hanging, I will

vote safariguy5.

Now, in his favour, Mr. S brought attention to him, so I doubt him to be mafia (unless I go down a long WIFOM path from which there is no escape). However, another 3rd-Party clogging up the works doesn't seem very useful right now either.

I am guessing Vio to be a Survivor. That makes 3 (sully, vio, saf). I am putting Vio in the list as her character is a well-known survivor. Although, I can imagine it would be a hilarious doctor .

I don't always go to bed, but when I do, I wear nothing.

I've already claimed Success Kid, Town JOAT. The jonty death I take responsibility for. I might add that I'm flavor confirmed as town from the Day 1 scene. So no, I don't believe I'm mafia here especially since there was no counterclaiming from anyone yesterday.

Just one thing I'd like to point out - apparently Mafia & 3rd party do have fakeclaims readily available to them, esp. according to Victor Sullivan. I'm not saying you're either way or the other, I just want to make sure that's out there.

[safariguy5]

There's a conspiracy to destroy Memebase! Clearly, forming a mob and killing randomly without due process is the best solution!

Day 1 begins! With 32 alive it takes 17 to lynch!

Flavor confirmed right there.

[pancakemix]

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