safariguy5 wrote:alt1978 wrote:No sir...what makes him more scummy to me is his ability to explain everything so well...but then not see the potential value in keeping sparticus alive. It seems suspicious to me that a town body guard would dismiss the chance to get a couple of free investigations from what essentially is a temporary town cop-like role. For him to throw that out...that is what is scummy. His defenses of his actions are actually quite brilliant and well put together...town or scum either way.
The other thing that never did quite strike me as making sense though...is if safari is the town body guard...why would he offer himself up as a lynch to prove a point? He is more valuable to the town than being a sacrificial lamb. His ability to understand the game...and then put town at risk by costing them the body guard role...that's what strikes me as scummy strikeforce.
Harry dying and safari being the bodyguard is unfortunate...but not what this case is built on. What this case is built on are safari's actions in his persuit of sparticus. A) He dismisses the potential use of sparticus B) The sacrificial lamb to put town at even greater risk.
A and B don't add up to putting town interests first.
I await another schooling dissertation from the spin master.
The vote sticks, but I hope that answers your concerns strikeforce.
I offered myself up for a lynch because I knew people were going to jump on me for jonty dying. This is at least the third time today people have been calling for my head. Seriously, if you didn't believe my claim, you should have killed me the first time. By not lynching me, you're basically saying that you believe my claim for now. The fact that most people didn't go along with your suspicions probably shows that your case on me now is as weak as it was then.
Go back and read what I said again. I did not say that Sparticus "had no use", I said that he "had little use". You all are assuming he's telling the truth with his claim. I don't think he is.
Also, you're comparing him to a cop. He's not a cop, he's not even half a cop. Being a cop assumes you can pick your target. He cannot. Being a cop also assumes you can use your role every night. He also cannot. Being a cop also means that you stay aligned with town until death or the end of the game. He also cannot guarantee that.
Let's assume that he finds one of our power roles. What do you want him to do then? Post in the thread and say "Hey! so and so is [character] AND the [doctor/cop/whatever]?" If he really were a useful role, he'd investigate me tonight and then report what my role/alignment is. As it stands, there's a 1/15 chance that he gets me. Not too inspiring.
And on top of that, calling everyone who voted him as skimming is misguided and doesn't score townie points in my book. He still hasn't answered my question about his WC should he turn Death Eater.
Honestly, I think we can learn a lot from his lynch. Should he flip scum, there's at least 3-4 people who would immediately fall under suspicion for supporting his claim/trying to divert the case.
I completly understand the risk of supporting Sparticus. I have no doubt that should Sparticas flip scum Mafia would have a field day, after all one is assumed guilty for siding or trying to protect someone who flips mafia. Thats Mafia 101...But we will deal with that IF that truly is the case.
What bothers me is that Mafia has this covered both sides now. I am not implying everyone is Mafia, but the train certianly has been steered. Hes either Mafia so he must be killed or Even if he is Town, his role is to dangerous and unpredictable so he must be killed. He has been wrapped in a nice little box.
Safari you are assuming way to much about how Sparticas will handle the information. Why would you automaticly assume that he will broadcast to the world the full details of who is who?
You are assuming the worst.
With no offense to Sparticas, he does need work on his play style and strategy. I am sure he will be first to admit that. I beleive he is Town. Freezie created this role for a reason, if you beleive the role is Town then he has Towns interests regardless of what happens several days from now.
Should he flip scum you now have 4-5 people to choose from because they beleived the role was Town. I can live with that. So if he flips Town what then? You want to hold Neb and I to the fire for defending his role...who do we hold to the fire if he flips Town?
You stated you would sacrifice yourself so Sparticas could use his NA. You stated you would flip Town. You stated that we would then have to kill Sparticas for obvious reasons. THEN you say Neb and I should be strongly looked at. Why? Because we defended Sparticas and he flipped town and we were right or because Sparticas flipped scum and we were wrong?
You cant have it both ways.
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The power supply for my computer went on me. I now have to order it..it wont be here till monday, which means I will need to rely on the internet cafe near our house. I will try and get on once a day. We are in an interesting part of the game so my apolgies but not much I can do.
If only they were both town. Advocating a no lynch here is the epitome of scumminess. He should be lynched. Town gains nothing from no lynches. Especially on a day like today.
